Works Salvation

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SpoonJuly

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When is enough, enough?
If one believes one must do this or that, avoid doing this or that to obtain salvation, than when is enough, enough?
No, really, when do you know?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#22
When is enough, enough?
If one believes one must do this or that, avoid doing this or that to obtain salvation, than when is enough, enough?
No, really, when do you know?
[FONT=&quot]James 2 :10 - For whoever shall keep the whole [/FONT]law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guiltyof all


I think this about says what is enough.. Better hit this standard, or you will fail.
 
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SpoonJuly

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#23
James 2 :10 - For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guiltyof all


I think this about says what is enough.. Better hit this standard, or you will fail.
And all have failed.
 

Zmouth

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James 2 :10 - For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guiltyof all


I think this about says what is enough.. Better hit this standard, or you will fail.

Do you believe that he might be referring unto the law of faith?

Romans 3:26 "..... By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."


But in context to the reference in James 2:10,

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:14

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Do you believe that he might be referring unto the law of faith?

Romans 3:26 "..... By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."


But in context to the reference in James 2:10,

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:14

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24

What does the law of faith say? Those in james 2 did nto have faith, they had a claimed fast only

James was clear. If you break the least of all commands, you are found guilty of all.
 
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SpoonJuly

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#26
Do you believe that he might be referring unto the law of faith?

Romans 3:26 "..... By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."


But in context to the reference in James 2:10,

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:14

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24
Have you done enough (works) today? How do you know?
 

BillG

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What does the law of faith say? Those in james 2 did nto have faith, they had a claimed fast only

James was clear. If you break the least of all commands, you are found guilty of all.
That he did.
 

BillG

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#28
Do you believe that he might be referring unto the law of faith?

Romans 3:26 "..... By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."


But in context to the reference in James 2:10,

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:14

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24
Justified before who?
 

Zmouth

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#29
You really could use a reality check on "doctrine." Just because you created your own very-special "gospel," doesn't mean you're the only one saved. It means you think you are saved because you created the grounds and implemented the grounds through delusion.

Which, btw, is why most people to argue with you. Hard to argue a delusion.
What, so I am delusional because I would dare listen to the opinion of a woman?

[FONT=&quot]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.[/FONT]1 Tim 2:12

But as far a reality check on doctrine, when you learn the difference between a doctrine and a principle come talk to me, because a principle can neither be created nor made up, unlike the doctrines of men. And where did I discover this from? (See John 7:16)

So my hope is that by two immutable things Proverbs 9:9 and Mark 10:6 that I am not a fool.
 
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So for those who say that we are not saved by works, does that mean there nothing we have to "do" in order to be saved? If so, doesn't that then mean EVERYONE is saved because you don't have to "do" anything to be saved?
 

BillG

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Have you done enough (works) today? How do you know?
Thruth is resting in the works that we have done today cannot suffice or bring assurance.
But if we say we have been good enough in our works then we are ok with God.

What is the difference?

The one who is not genuine will boast of their works, the things they have done and will be satisfied by works of their day.

The one who is genuine will thank God for the works they have done today.
Then they will ask God "Reveal to me what I have not done today and why?
Please help me to be like you.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So for those who say that we are not saved by works, does that mean there nothing we have to "do" in order to be saved? If so, doesn't that then mean EVERYONE is saved because you don't have to "do" anything to be saved?
I would say we need to follow the word of God. Scripture says we CAN NOT do anything to be saved, if we could Christ came in vein.

Why is it so hard for people to realise this?
 

BillG

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So for those who say that we are not saved by works, does that mean there nothing we have to "do" in order to be saved? If so, doesn't that then mean EVERYONE is saved because you don't have to "do" anything to be saved?
Nope.....

Who is a saved person?
Who is not a saved person?

What's the difference?
 
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I would say we need to follow the word of God. Scripture says we CAN NOT do anything to be saved, if we could Christ came in vein.

Why is it so hard for people to realise this?
Scripture does NOT say that. Please provide any scripture that says or even implies that. I will give you several that directly contradict your statement:

John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


No matter how you interpret these verses of scripture and how they relate to salvation, one thing is very clear: They all involve the individual doing something.
 

BillG

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Scripture does NOT say that. Please provide any scripture that says or even implies that. I will give you several that directly contradict your statement:

John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


No matter how you interpret these verses of scripture and how they relate to salvation, one thing is very clear: They all involve the individual doing something.
So baptism saves?

That seems the focus you are conveying.
 
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joefizz

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#40
I would say we need to follow the word of God. Scripture says we CAN NOT do anything to be saved, if we could Christ came in vein.

Why is it so hard for people to realise this?
Scripture does NOT say that. Please provide any scripture that says or even implies that. I will give you several that directly contradict your statement:

John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Mark 16:16 - He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


No matter how you interpret these verses of scripture and how they relate to salvation, one thing is very clear: They all involve the individual doing something.
A valid point,belief in Jesus and accepting him as Saviour and Lord is something one has to come to a decision "individually"(on one's own) I agree with that much.