THE BIBLE AND THE NUMBER 46

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Limey410v2

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Thank God that He is not restricted by our knowledge! Can't put Him in a box!
 
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God preserves His Word in our hearts!
Exactly! In those that believe His word! Who do you think added the chapters and verses and translated the Bible?

"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us." 2 Corinthians 4:7 (47th book of the Bible and preview to the number 47 thread I will start)
 
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Limey410v2

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Exactly! In those that believe His word! Who do you think added the chapters and verses and translated the Bible?

"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us." 2 Corinthians 4:7 (47th book of the Bible and preview to the number 47 thread I will start)
Whoever wrote it all down.
 
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I don't read Greek and Hebrew so it makes no difference to me. I know what is in my Bible! Think about what you said!
As you have been shown, there are five Hebrew words and 4 Greek words the translators chose to translate to the English word "conceived".


The same Hebrew and Greek words were also translated as:


H2029 [harah] - used 43 times as follows:
Conceive = 38 times
woman with child = 2
with child = 2
Again = 1
Bare = 1




H3179 [yacham] - used 10 times as follows:
Conceive = 6 times
hot = 2 times
heat = 1 time
Warm = 1 time




H3254 [yacaph] = used 213 times as follows:
More = 70
Again = 54
Add = 28
Increase = 16
Also = 6
Exceed = 4
Put = 4
Further = 4
Henceforth = 4
Can = 2
Continued = 2
Give = 2
Misc = 17




H2232 [zara`] = used 56 times as follows:
Sow = 47
Yielding = 3
Sower = 2
Bearing = 1
Conceive = 1
Seed = 1
Set = 1




H2803 [chashab] = used 124 times as follows:
Count = 23
Devise = 22
Think = 18
Imagine = 9
Cunning = 8
Reckon = 7
Purpose = 6
Esteem = 6
Account = 5
Impute = 4
Forecast = 2
Regard = 2
Conceived = 1
Misc = 9




G1080 [gennaō] = used 97 times as follows:
Begat = 49 times
Be born = 39 times
Bear = 2 times
Gender = 2 times
Bring forth = 1 time
Be delivered = 1 time
Misc = 3 times




G4815 [syllambanō] = used 16 times as follows:
Take = 8 times
Conceive = 5 times
Help = 2 times
Catch = 1 time




G5087 [tithēmi] = used 96 times as follows:
Lay = 28 times
Put = 18 times
Lay down = 12 times
Make = 10 times
Appoint = 6 times
Kneel down = 5 times
Misc = 17 times




G2845 [koitē] = used 4 times as follows:
Bed = 2
Conceive = 1
Chambering = 1
 

graceNpeace

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Exactly! In those that believe His word! Who do you think added the chapters and verses and translated the Bible?

"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us." 2 Corinthians 4:7 (47th book of the Bible and preview to the number 47 thread I will start)
None of these activities were inspired in the sense the original authors were.
In particular the adding of chapter and verse divisions was just aimed at easing the task of navigating around the Bible - there is no spiritual or theological significance in the chosen divisions and to suggest such is delusional because it takes no heed of known historical fact.

The KJV has no "inspiration" not common to any other translation.
 
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None of these activities were inspired in the sense the original authors were.
Says you for whatever that is worth! You haven't given you own answer to the question I asked so I am still waiting! What do you believe?
 
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As you have been shown, there are five Hebrew words and 4 Greek words the translators chose to translate to the English word "conceived".


So this proves "conceived" is not found 46 times in the King James Bible or the fact that Adam speaks 46 words in Genesis chapter 2 in the King James Bible? You have proved nothing!
 

graceNpeace

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Says you for whatever that is worth! You haven't given you own answer to the question I asked so I am still waiting! What do you believe?
I did answer the question - go up a few posts and check - all you are doing currently is convincing me that you don't read posts, never mind really "get" what they are saying...
 
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I did answer the question - go up a few posts and check - all you are doing currently is convincing me that you don't read posts, never mind really "get" what they are saying...
Limey gave an answer but you didn't. The bottom line is that you are unable to present evidence from the Bible to back up anything you have said; therefore, I will dismiss your opinions and claims. For now I must go but I will respond back when time permits. Take care :)
 

graceNpeace

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Manuscripts were copied, yes attention to detail required, but no inspiration and wilful changing of the manuscript. The idea was a copy, not a new updated edition!
There is the answer that you asked for - just as I said!!!!

So, stop talking nonsense!
Also, nothing from you has needed a Biblical response because everything you are claiming fall outside Scripture, as I said before - just like the chapters and verse divisions!!!
 
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FrankLee

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Not much on Bible numbers BUT...

there is one scripture I call Ecclesiastes "PI".

OK, we know that Pi is about 3.14. All those other places aren't important to this.

Now let's just look at Ecclesiastes 3:14, Ecclesiastes PI...

It says what?

That it's a constant. That nothing can be added to it or taken from it. Very interesting and nothing in God's word is a coincidence.

Ecclesiastes 3:14 KJV
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it , that men should fear before him.

Spiritual food for thought.

Now we turn from numbers to cows. Moo!

In Genesis the 41st chapter we read of Pharaoh's dreams and the fat cows and skinny cows. The skinny ones ate the fat ones but were still skinny and hungry. No change.

The new testament reflection of these wretched skinny cows can be found in

2 Timothy 3:7 KJVS
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

They and and read and learn nothing. Exactly like the cows their eating is of no profit. There are so many hidden treasures in God's word that after 49 years I'm yet mining an finding jewels.
 
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So this proves "conceived" is not found 46 times in the King James Bible or the fact that Adam speaks 46 words in Genesis chapter 2 in the King James Bible? You have proved nothing!
I think if you were really serious about the use of the word "conceived", you would look at each use of the Hebrew and Greek words to determine whether the translators were correct in translating the words as "conceived".

Once you narrow down the true use of the word "conceived", you will have the correct number of times the word is actually used.


As far as how many words Adam spoke in Genesis 2, we must remember that Adam did not speak the english language.


In verse 23, there are 15 Hebrew words translated into 24 english words.


In verse 24, there are 13 Hebrew words translated into 22 english words. However, it is not clear that Adam spoke the words written in verse 24. Adam may have uttered only the words shown in vs 23.
 

graceNpeace

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I think if you were really serious about the use of the word "conceived", you would look at each use of the Hebrew and Greek words to determine whether the translators were correct in translating the words as "conceived".

Once you narrow down the true use of the word "conceived", you will have the correct number of times the word is actually used.


As far as how many words Adam spoke in Genesis 2, we must remember that Adam did not speak the english language.


In verse 23, there are 15 Hebrew words translated into 24 english words.


In verse 24, there are 13 Hebrew words translated into 22 english words. However, it is not clear that Adam spoke the words written in verse 24. Adam may have uttered only the words shown in vs 23.
Almost certainly our friend does not want to hear this!
He seems to believe that the KJV is inspired and so all your unwanted detail is just chaff to the wind....
 

jsr1221

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To point out that the King James Bible is the word of God and that it is in perfect order. [/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]

There lies the answer with the obsession.
 

trofimus

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I love it brother, good stuff. Don't forget about the serpent speaking exactly 46 words to Eve in the garden. Signature of the Holy Spirit is what I call it.
So, basically, sometimes there is something 46x in the Bible, more times not.

What does it prove, exactly?

If everything in the Bible would be 46, I would be amazed.

But to simply find some occurances (of whatever number) in 2000 pages long book is nothing extraordinary.
 

MarcR

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Because men cared enough about the word of God to add chapter and verses. It was by the will of God.



It would NOT surprise me if similar number patterns emerge from other versions of the Bible; though I have no intention of wasting my time trying to prove it.
 

trofimus

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It would NOT surprise me if similar number patterns emerge from other versions of the Bible; though I have no intention of wasting my time trying to prove it.
I would not even call it a pattern.

Its just a random search of occurances and then invention of theories about them.
 

MarcR

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Again, your opinion carries no weight.
On what basis should your opinion cary more weight than that of graceNpeace or that of any other forum member?
 
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How did God preserve His word if at all?
Manuscripts were copied, yes attention to detail required, but no inspiration and wilful changing of the manuscript. The idea was a copy, not a new updated edition!
I did miss your answer but I suppose I was hoping for one based on the Scriptures.