Holy Bible vs Bible/ Word of God vs Scriptures

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Dino246

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Here is a question? Which translations capitalize "word" in Hebrews 4:12? Most translations capitalize "Word" in John 1:1 but not Hebrews 4:12? The reason is obvious based on the text.
You can check this out on Bible Gateway. Search the verse in any translation, and below it, a link will appear which will bring up the verse in about 40-50 translations.
 

MarcR

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If I would have said that I would have be ridiculed to no end lol.

I don't think so! You are ridiculed because many people don't know how else to respond to statements they regard as preposterous. I have taken several upper division courses in argumentation and debate, and in persuasion; and I sometimes have difficulty refraining from ridicule. When you have made sound statements on KJVO threads you have received likes even from those who usually disagree with you.
 
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Jesus is the Word of God; while at the same time He is indeed God. The Bible is the Word of God. The Bible is the visible representation of Jesus until His return. The Bible is indeed Holy. The authority of Scripture is God's authority. If you do not recognize that, you probably don't know Him. I will pray for your enlightenment!
[FONT=&quot]"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;" 1 John 1:1

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Tell me which Bible it was that your "hands have handled?"
 
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You can check this out on Bible Gateway. Search the verse in any translation, and below it, a link will appear which will bring up the verse in about 40-50 translations.
It was a rhetorical question! :) The point is the word "word" in Hebrews 4:12 is consistently translated using a lowercase "w" as opposed to lets say John 1:1 or Revelation 19:13.
 

MarcR

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"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;" 1 John 1:1

Tell me which Bible it was that your "hands have handled?"



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#46
“But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” 1 Corinthians 8:6
 

Noose

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This is ludicrous. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance is a BIBLE TOOL to help you understand the Word of God. There are plenty of Bible tools which GOD HAS PROVIDED through diligent Christian men. Thank God for Strong's and use it, rather than make such disparaging comments.
Now this is the definition of ludicrous, when Jesus ascended, He promised to send the Holy spirit who will give us understanding- there's a reason He didn't say He will send the spirit of truth and Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.
 

Noose

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#48
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39)

They were not equating Jesus with the scriptures. He was pointing out the fact that they did not believe the testimony of the scriptures concerning Him (Jesus that is). Jesus will later state this to his disciples in the last chapter of Luke's gospel.

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.” (Luke 24:44)
Of course you are wrong, go back and read the whole thing. They said they don't need Jesus because they had the law of Moses in their hands.
IOW, they were saying they had the scriptures.
 

MarcR

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"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;" 1 John 1:1

Tell me which Bible it was that your "hands have handled?"
I have 34 versions available at a keypress of which I can open up to 6 at one time and see them in parallel.
 

Nehemiah6

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#50
Now this is the definition of ludicrous, when Jesus ascended, He promised to send the Holy spirit who will give us understanding- there's a reason He didn't say He will send the spirit of truth and Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.
It is precisely because you have contempt for Strong's that you made this ignorant remark:

I feel it's wrong to call a bible 'Holy bible' because 'Holy' is God's attribute that a piece of book can't have. Calling the bible Holy is like saying the bible is God.


Why is it an ignorant remark? Because God Himself -- the Holy Spirit -- through Paul calls the Scriptures, "the HOLY SCRIPTURES".

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus (2 Tim 3:15).
 

Noose

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It is precisely because you have contempt for Strong's that you made this ignorant remark:



Why is it an ignorant remark? Because God Himself -- the Holy Spirit -- through Paul calls the Scriptures, "the HOLY SCRIPTURES".

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus (2 Tim 3:15).
That's just a translation, others have translated it to sacred texts/writings which i believe is ok.
I don't have contempt for Strong's.
May i ask you, what do you understand by the word Holy?
 
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Of course you are wrong, go back and read the whole thing. They said they don't need Jesus because they had the law of Moses in their hands.
IOW, they were saying they had the scriptures.
"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?” (John 5:46-47)

Again, they didn't believe the scriptures not did they believe the words of Jesus which are now scripture for us. Let's not follow after their example.
 

Noose

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"For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?” (John 5:46-47)

Again, they didn't believe the scriptures not did they believe the words of Jesus which are now scripture for us. Let's not follow after their example.
Again, they were reading the scriptures and didn't understand them, yet they rejected the one who could give them understanding. The point is, Jesus is not the scriptures. The scriptures explain/witness about Jesus who is the word of God. IOW, everybody can read the scriptures but not everyone can understand them, only those that God will explain to will understand.
 

JohnRH

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The Holy Bible is the written word of God.
Jesus is the incarnate word of God.
 
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And why did Jesus rebuke the Pharisees in John 5:39 for comparing scriptures (the word of God) to Himself (The WORD of God). I have capitalized so that we read from the same page.
This is what started this facet of the discussion. Jesus did not rebuke the Pharisees in John 5:39 for comparing them to Himself.

The point is, Jesus is not the scriptures.
I would agree with this statement since there is a difference between the written "word of God" and the "Word of God" (John 1:1); thus Hebrews 4:12 applies to the written word of God.
 
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Noose

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The Holy Bible is the written word of God.
Jesus is the incarnate word of God.
It is getting worse for you, you have the Father/son/Holy spirit/written word (bible)
 

JohnRH

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Respectfully, the Bible speaks of "holy", "unholy", "clean" and "unclean". There are more than just two categories.

Otherwise, I agree... the Bible is "holy". :)
Clean & unclean are silent regarding holiness.
Something's either holy or it's not. If it's not, then it's unholy. That's what the prefix means.
Ergo the Bible is holy.
 

Noose

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This is what started this facet of the discussion. Jesus did not rebuke the Pharisees in John 5:39 for comparing them to Himself.
No one said that, i said Jesus rebuked them for thinking that they had scriptures and did not need Him. Jesus made it clear to them that those scriptures wont help them until they turn to Him.
 
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Have you ever noticed how the bible divides things in two's? Example: light vs. dark, good vs bad, virtuous woman vs the harlot woman, The Rock vs the rock, the vine of Christ vs the vine of Sodom... this goes on and on like this. There are no "grey" areas, it's cut and dry one or the other.

To say there are many versions of the bible goes against the core teaching of the bible doesn't it?