57 Countries urged to create army to attack Israel

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Nehemiah6

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Glad I believe all the end days have came and went already, and is Israel is already been done with.
Objective truth and subjective perception are two very different things.
 

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Wars and rumors of war; where did i hear that statement? Aaaah, It was the Lord Jesus who warned us of these things and still the end will not come.
Whether it happens or not, it will not signify anything because all those prophesies had a spiritual interpretation and not a literla, physical one.
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Wrong ...those are literal. Historically, they were singular. Now they are converging to happen at once in unison.

I don't even want to hear your explanation of..."spiritual interpretation". No such animal.
 

abcdef

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The Bible quotes "Eastern Kings" thus East of Turkey,,,,,China, etc.
Brother Br,

The kings of the east are the nations across the Euphrates River from Jerusalem, which is Iran.

The kings from the east that came to visit Jesus when he was born were from Babylon, it is assumed, not China.

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It was assumed in the past that it referred to China because of the number of people needed to make the army of 200 mill.

But at this time, many years after that assumption was first made, we can see that the armies of China will not even be required to reach that number.

The armies and nations against Israel are numerous enough without China.
 

abcdef

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Take every army,navy,air-force ect. and add them together as if they are one army together. Then take and add up the carriers nukes, tanks ect. the U.S. has in it's army and you will realize that if the entire world banded together their forces they "might" be able to take on the U.S. lol
Brother iam,

You are forgetting that we have a leader whose God is chaos.

When the time comes to act, there will be chaos, we will reap what we have sown.
 

abcdef

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N...,

Wrong ...those are literal. Historically, they were singular. Now they are converging to happen at once in unison.

I don't even want to hear your explanation of..."spiritual interpretation". No such animal.
preston,

1 Cor 2:14, "...the things of the Spirit of God:....they are spiritually discerned".
 

abcdef

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Why do you blatantly ignore scripture abcdef? Have you never read where Gog and Magog and all of the nations with her come down to attack Israel and God himself turns every man's sword against each other? That event is still future. Their dead bodies will be strewn across the mountains of Israel without any nation lifting a hand. Does that sound like Israel is going to fall?


Ezek 38 & 39 already happened and are history. The proof is that they use swords as weapons. Ezek 39:3 says that they use bows and arrows. Ezek 39:9 say that the burn the bows and arrows, spears, etc, for 7 years as firewood. (They use guns now)


Likewise, have you not read Rev.12 where the woman/Israel flees out into the desert where God has a place to care for her during that 1260 days? Since He is caring for Israel, does that sound like He against her?
We agree that the woman in Rev 12 is Israel. The 1260 days are also 3 1/2 times. The 3 1/2 times shown as the woman are the times of the gentiles, yes? But the Tog's have already happened and come to an end when Israel was restored to military control of Jerusalem in 1967.

The 7 times is NOT 7 literal years.

The first 3 1/2 times is from Babylon until 70 ad when the power of the holy people was scattered. Proven by Daniel 12:5-7.

The second 3 1/2 times is shown in Rev 12 is from 70 ad until Jerusalem is restored in 1967.

You imagine that there will be a place to flee to. A place among the gentile nations to run to. But not this time.


God has not abandoned His people Israel! That last seven years of the seventy sets of seven years must be fulfilled in order to "
finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place."



All that happened by 70 ad.

In order for pre trib to happen, every detail of the events surrounding the dest of Jerusalem from 33 ad until 70 ad Must be recreated.

Rome must come and destroy Jerusalem. The Roman Antichrist Caesar must stand in a rebuilt temple. Sacrifices must resume, the OT priests must reappear. It's deja vu all over again.

Why rebuild the temple for the Antichrist to come? Just don't build it.

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What in the scripture makes you think that this is a 200 million "man" army?
The 5th trumpet and the 6th trumpet both show armies of men.
The descriptions that are given are the spirits of the men.

Both armies are false teachers against the gospel kingdom and Israel.
Rev 9:10, 9:19, Isa 9:15.

What kind of horses exist
There are only 58 mill horses in the world at this time.


that have heads like lions heads with fire, smoke and sulfur issue forth
The words describe their hatred and actions towards Israel.


to kill a third of mankind?
Israel, not the planet,


Do you even bother to read scripture?
LOL

Jerusalem is not going to fall by this arm of 200 million.
The story of the 2 witnesses says that Jerusalem falls, then the rapt/resur of the 7th trumpet happens.


But what does the scripture say? They will kill a third of mankind. That number is much, much more that Israel.
Mankind is Israel, not the planet. The Bible is about Israel.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Things do happen in the physical and these are plans by satan to hoodwink people. Jesus said "..destroy this temple and i will raise it up in 3 days.." i guess He wasn't talking of a physical temple.
He was not prohesying either, he was speaking in a parable type form so only those who were his could understand.
 
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Glad I believe all the end days have came and went already, and is Israel is already been done with.
Thats t bad, if prophesy starts being fulfilled before you die, i hope you see whats happening.
 

louis

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From the WND website.

A Turkish newspaper with close ties to the government comes out in favor of a massive army from 57 nations to attack Israel.

Is this the 200 mill man army of the 6th trumpet?

It could be.

It is my belief that it is.

Friends, Jerusalem will soon fall to this army. When Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days later, the 7th trumpet will sound, and this world will end.
The 200 million armed forces in Revelation 9:16-20 kill 1/3 of mankind throughout the world.
This comes after and is due tothe opening of the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:2.
The opening of the bottomless pit is another description of the beast who rises from the sea in Revelation 13.
None of these things have yet to transpire.

Revelation 17:8 [FONT=&quot]The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.[/FONT]
 

abcdef

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The 200 million armed forces in Revelation 9:16-20 kill 1/3 of mankind throughout the world.
The world of Israel.

These armies come across the Euphrates River. They are headed for Jerusalem. They will meet Israel at the valley of Armageddon, where Israel will lose. This is about Israel and Jerusalem.

Although Jerusalem has fallen before to different forces, Jerusalem at those times was not restored to Israel. This makes our present situation unique in that both conditions exist in our time. This allows for the possibility that if these events continue, the 7th trumpet will be blown soon, when Jerusalem falls to the 200 mill army.


This comes after and is due tothe opening of the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:2.
The 5th trumpet signals the beginning of final events that lead to the 7th trumpet.

The times of the gentiles (ToG's) began when Jerusalem fell in 70 ad and Jerusalem was trampled Lk 21:20-24. This is shown in the 1-4 trumpets.

The 5th trumpet signals the beginning of the end of those days. The return of Israel to restore Jerusalem.

Israel was driven out of the gentile nations back to Israel beginning in 1929. The forces of Israel haters began their rise in power at that time. These demon possessed forces are seen as the locusts of the 5th trumpet.

The 5 months is the time between 1929 and 1967 when Jerusalem was restored.

The number 5 is symbolic of separation, as in the 10 virgins, 5 were wise, 5 foolish.


The opening of the bottomless pit is another description of the beast
Brother, never forget that the beast is the iron legs, 4th beast, Rome.

The beast that comes out of the abyss is the nation of Rome with Caesar/Antichrist at his head, RCC. The 5th trumpet shows the Roman Caesar returning to the seat of the beast (Rome) in 1929 when the Vatican became a nation and Caesar rules from exactly the same spot.

These things are not by chance, they are prophecy coming true.


who rises from the sea in Revelation 13.
The beast rising from the sea of the gentiles is the Roman Empire.


None of these things have yet to transpire.
The 7th trumpet is about to blow.


Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 20, The 1000 yrs are ending.

The dragon v2, with 7 heads and 10 horns/Rome Rev 12:3, has returned, deceived the nations of the kings of the east and Magog into surrounding the restored Jerusalem.

This is happening now.
 
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Kind of silly to think that a 200 million-man army could attack Jerusalem. Israel would just nuke 'em before they got very far. Did you never consider that that army will be trying to attack Christ and his resurrected saints?
 

louis

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The world of Israel.

These armies come across the Euphrates River. They are headed for Jerusalem. They will meet Israel at the valley of Armageddon, where Israel will lose. This is about Israel and Jerusalem.

Although Jerusalem has fallen before to different forces, Jerusalem at those times was not restored to Israel. This makes our present situation unique in that both conditions exist in our time. This allows for the possibility that if these events continue, the 7th trumpet will be blown soon, when Jerusalem falls to the 200 mill army.
As I previously stated, the 200 million strong army kill one third of the mankind (Revelation 9:15).

Revelation 9:15 [FONT=&quot]And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for [/FONT][FONT=&quot]to slay the third part of men[/FONT][FONT=&quot].
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Claiming it refers to tiny Israel, denies Gods Word in Revelation.
Additionally, after one third of mankind is killed by earth's 200 million, the 2/3 who remain continue on with whatever they were doing previously (Revelation 9:20-21).

Revelation 9:20 [FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not[/FONT][FONT=&quot] of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.[/FONT]
 

louis

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Kind of silly to think that a 200 million-man army could attack Jerusalem. Israel would just nuke 'em before they got very far. Did you never consider that that army will be trying to attack Christ and his resurrected saints?
Hi HeRoseFromTheDead,
If you look at Revelation 8 & 9, you will see that seven different angels provide mankind warning prior to each of the plagues which occur. It is after trumpet warning of the fifth angel in Revelation 9:2 where the bottomless pit is opened.
The plagues that then appear throughout Revelation 9 are due to the opening of the bottomless pit.
 

abcdef

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Kind of silly to think that a 200 million-man army could attack Jerusalem. Israel would just nuke 'em before they got very far.
Hi HeRose,

This is a common misconception, I believe. The size of Israel is so small that any nukes set off in Israel or even close to Israel would be like bombing yourself. The enemy is even IN Jerusalem.

And who will Israel nuke? Everybody? Russia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Turkey, etc, etc, 57 nations?

This is the main point of the 200 mill, there are so many enemies that the whole of the gentile nations is against them, they are surrounded and they cannot survive the genocide.

100,000 missiles in Lebanon alone has been reported. That's a lot of missiles for a tiny country like Israel to absorb. Add to that all the other forces that I mentioned, Russia, Syria, etc. Then you begin to understand the demon forces at work.


Did you never consider that that army will be trying to attack Christ and his resurrected saints?
You are 100% right, in a way.

These forces are against Israel, the wild and natural branches, the gospel kingdom message, and Jesus.

The descriptions that are given are the spiritual attributes.The spiritual attributes described are against the gospel and the natural branches.

Basically, it it the false teachings that Israel is not God's people and the gospel kingdom is not God's kingdom. This teaching is expressed as the fire, smoke, and brimstone which indicates the origin of the teaching, which is Satan and hell. Rev 9:19 shows that they are false prophets, as seen in Isa 9:15.

This is the spirit that motivates them to attack Jerusalem restored to Israel.

The 200 mill is the entire amount of the gentile unbelieving Magog forces. Never possible until modern times.

Now the prophecies are coming true. there is nothing that can stop these things from happening. All we can do is get in the ark of Jesus.
 
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This is a common misconception, I believe. The size of Israel is so small that any nukes set off in Israel or even close to Israel would be like bombing yourself. The enemy is even IN Jerusalem.
Neutron bombs don't release fallout. They designed to only kill people with a neutron pulse. The Euphrates River is far enough away from Israel that those could easily be used to wipe out millions of people at once and not affect Israel.
 

abcdef

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Neutron bombs don't release fallout. They designed to only kill people with a neutron pulse. The Euphrates River is far enough away from Israel that those could easily be used to wipe out millions of people at once and not affect Israel.
Will they bomb the whole world?

That is what it will take to stop Magog, who are all the gentile nations of the world.

After all the missiles fall the launch facilities will be destroyed.

This will not be a sudden war, but a gradual one that increases over time, it appears. It has already started.
 

abcdef

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abcdef

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As I previously stated, the 200 million strong army kill one third of the mankind (Revelation 9:15).

Revelation 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Who is the army of the 200 mill? What nation is their home?

If they are in the Euphrates region then they can only be a certain number of nations.

None of those nations can reach a population of 2 billion plus without being destroyed themselves. (China, India, Pakistan, are all nuclear powers.)

Where are the 2 billion people, that the army kills? China? To get to China they would have to go through Afghanistan, Pakistan and maybe India, but still would not kill the 1/3 needed.

But attacking Israel the 1/3 is easily reached.


Claiming it refers to tiny Israel, denies Gods Word in Revelation.
No, just your interpretation.


Additionally, after one third of mankind is killed by earth's 200 million, the 2/3 who remain continue on with whatever they were doing previously (Revelation 9:20-21).

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
It just says that they do not repent. It doesn't say that everything remains the same for them, as in previous conditions.

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The Bible centers on Israel.

The armies come across the Euphrates to attack Jerusalem.

That is the key to understanding this trumpet.
 

louis

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Who is the army of the 200 mill? What nation is their home?
If you read Revelation 9 you will see that the 200 million armed forces are the result from the fifth woe in which the bottomless pit is opened.
Revelation 9:20-21 attributes the causes for the plagues in Revelation 8 & 9 due to the love mankind has for the works from his hands. The plagues therefore are the result from industrial pollution that produce the products mankind worships.
The opening of the bottomless pit, will cause a new level of environmental destruction.
As a result, food and water resources will dwindle.
The four angels (from Satan), are then let loose, and influence all the worlds leaders that the best course of action to resolve the shortages of food and clean drinking water, will be for a unified implementaion of global genocide.

All the world's militaries are used to kill their own citizens for a period of 13 months and a day, resulting in 1/3 less people on earth.
 

abcdef

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If you read Revelation 9 you will see that the 200 million armed forces are the result from the fifth woe in which the bottomless pit is opened.
Brother louis,

I don't see how the opening of the abyss at the 5th trumpet causes the 6th trumpet. I see that they follow each other in prophecy, but I'm not sure if the 2 are related in that way.


Revelation 9:20-21 attributes the causes for the plagues in Revelation 8 & 9 due to the love mankind has for the works from his hands.
Well, it always has been a matter of Jehovah/Jesus worship, or worship the creation/Satan in some form. If Israel would repent, then they would accept Jesus as the Messiah. Then they would stop worshiping the works of their hands. Isn't that what this is saying? In a way?



The plagues therefore are the result from industrial pollution that produce the products mankind worships.
Well yes, but the root of the plagues is the rejection of the love of God and the Holy Spirit gospel kingdom isn't it?


The opening of the bottomless pit, will cause a new level of environmental destruction.
The abyss opens and the iron legs/toes Roman Empire dragon beast comes out. He returns to sit on the seat of the beast, the city of Rome. (1929)

The smoke symbolizes the hiding of the gospel truth, the gospel light, through the scriptures.


As a result, food and water resources will dwindle.
Spiritual food and living waters from the scriptures.


The four angels (from Satan), are then let loose,
The 4 angels are taking orders from the throne of God Rev 7:1-3. They are holding back the winds of destruction that will come across the Euphrates River to attack Israel at the 6th trumpet.


and influence all the worlds leaders that the best course of action to resolve the shortages of food and clean drinking water, will be for a unified implementaion of global genocide.
Do you have a specific scripture that you are thinking of that confirms this?

All the world's militaries are used to kill their own citizens for a period of 13 months and a day, resulting in 1/3 less people on earth.
You kind of lost me on this one. Some how I don't see it. Maybe if you can explain it in a little more detail?