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Israel and the escape rapture are as sacred as Mary is to Catholics :-( Schizos disp insanies.jpg
 

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Brother louis,

I don't see how the opening of the abyss at the 5th trumpet causes the 6th trumpet. I see that they follow each other in prophecy, but I'm not sure if the 2 are related in that way.
Brother abcdef, this is where it gets a little complicated, and I hope you are well versed in Revelation.
In Revelation 17:8, the angel informs John that the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit.
As such, the bottomless pit is another description for the sea in Revelation 13 from which the beast will ascend.
In Revelation 13:2 we see that the devil provides the beast with his power.
This power from the sea is what causes the beast to ascend from the sea, aka the bottomless pit; and as a result has the whole world in love with the beast and the devil for having provided this energy source that will bring about a materialistic utopia for the worshippers of the beast (Revelation 13:4).
In Revelation 16, we then see all the catastrophies from Gods wrath that shall befall the worshippers of the beast, right up to great global earthquake concluding Armageddon (Revelation 16:17-18).
The first vial of Gods wrath on the worshippers of he beast causes them a noisome and grievous sore (Revealation 16:2).
In comparrison we see in Revelation 9:5, that after opening the bottomless pit men are afflicted by sores for 5 months.

So now we are back to your question about the cause for earths entire military forces (200 million), wiping out 1/3 of all mankind. If the sores the worshippers of the beast experience in Revelation 9:5, and 16:2, are the same; would not the six following vials of Gods wrath upon the worshippers of the beast in Revelation 16, correlate with the following elimination of 1/3 of earth populace due a lack of resources as indicated in Revelation 16?

Revelation 17:8 [FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.[/FONT]
Revelation 13:2 [FONT=&quot]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and[/FONT][FONT=&quot] the dragon gave him his power,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and his seat, and great authority.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
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[FONT=&quot]18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.[/FONT]
Revelation 16:2 [FONT=&quot]And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and upon them which worshipped his image.
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Revelation 9:5 [FONT=&quot]And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but [/FONT][FONT=&quot]that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion[/FONT][FONT=&quot], when he striketh a man.[/FONT]
 

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Do you have a specific scripture that you are thinking of that confirms this?
Brother abcdef,
Are you aware that angels are our illuminators?
They are either the Lords angels providing man with true illumination, or they are Satan's angels providing man with false illumination (2 Corinthians 11:14).
So now you tell me, what type of angels do you think require releasing (Revelation 9:15), where they then go out and cause all of earths military forces (200 million) to band together and eliminate 1/3 of all mankind? What illumination do you think they provide mankind; is it from God, or from Satan? And what does mankind do after 1/3 of mankind is eliminated? According to Revelation 9:20-21, they continue on with their worship for the works from their hands?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Revelation 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
 

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Brother abcdef,
Are you aware that angels are our illuminators?
They are either the Lords angels providing man with true illumination, or they are Satan's angels providing man with false illumination (2 Corinthians 11:14).
So now you tell me, what type of angels do you think require releasing (Revelation 9:15), where they then go out and cause all of earths military forces (200 million) to band together and eliminate 1/3 of all mankind? What illumination do you think they provide mankind; is it from God, or from Satan? And what does mankind do after 1/3 of mankind is eliminated? According to Revelation 9:20-21, they continue on with their worship for the works from their hands?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Revelation 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
I'm sorry, but where does Scripture say angels are our illuminator? One angel illuminated to us some pretty bad stuff with disastrous results. The Bible says the Word is our illuminator, and ultimately Jesus is the light in us.
 
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The only things angels give us is comfort. They don't illuminate or enlighten us... jmo
 

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I'm sorry, but where does Scripture say angels are our illuminator? One angel illuminated to us some pretty bad stuff with disastrous results. The Bible says the Word is our illuminator, and ultimately Jesus is the light in us.
If as indicated in 2 Corinthians 11:15, Satan's angels are false ministers of righteousness; then how do you think these false ministers of what is the right way for man to go, influence men to take the wrong path?

2 Corinthians 11:14 [FONT=&quot]And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.[/FONT]
 
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It does not much good to engage in OP's that predict "the end" every couple of weeks from a source, or the slander laden OP's attacking Trump that come along ever so often as well.

Typically these OP's come from the same author.
 
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Israel and the escape rapture are as sacred as Mary is to Catholics :-(
Bro, I am in no way shape or form a dispy, but to call them schizophrenic? Come on, man! I had a brother who suffered from that disease. Certainly you are for sound doctrine, don't detract from any soundness with such asinine accusations bro!
 

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I'm sorry, but where does Scripture say angels are our illuminator? One angel illuminated to us some pretty bad stuff with disastrous results. The Bible says the Word is our illuminator, and ultimately Jesus is the light in us.
Psalm 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

What do you speculate the Lords angels minister to regarding man, if not their illumination?

Acts 7:
53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Did not they who received the law by the disposition of angels, illumined by them?

Hebrews:1
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

If today we are illumined by the greater light that is through Christ, than that from the angels; what then is that from the angels being referenced, if not illumination?

Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Again, how do you think the angels minister to us who shall be heirs of salvation, if not their providing us with true illumination?
 

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It does not much good to engage in OP's that predict "the end" every couple of weeks from a source, or the slander laden OP's attacking Trump that come along ever so often as well.

Typically these OP's come from the same author.
As many of us are aware Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24, regard the end times of the present world orders under Satan; the Lord then explicitly tells us to watch for the signs of these times (Mark:13:37;Matthew 24:42-43).
Anyone, who then states that these events should not be discussed and watched for, would be advocating the devils position, so that we would be caught unawares.

Mark 13:37 [FONT=&quot]And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.[/FONT]

Matthew 24:42 [FONT=&quot]Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.[/FONT]
 

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Bro, I am in no way shape or form a dispy, but to call them schizophrenic? Come on, man! I had a brother who suffered from that disease. Certainly you are for sound doctrine, don't detract from any soundness with such asinine accusations bro!
There are many of us on this forum at different levels in their understanding of the Word; where do you think your illumination accusing someone of being assinine comes from, the Lord, or Satan?

Revelation 12:10 [FONT=&quot]And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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From the WND website.

A Turkish newspaper with close ties to the government comes out in favor of a massive army from 57 nations to attack Israel.

Is this the 200 mill man army of the 6th trumpet?

It could be.

It is my belief that it is.

Friends, Jerusalem will soon fall to this army. When Jerusalem falls, 3 1/2 days later, the 7th trumpet will sound, and this world will end.
God has to end this sin business on earth one day so He is allowing the world 7 years to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and when they do then He will put them down.

Israel is blinded in part,for the majority they accept the Old Testament but not the New,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles,and so all Israel shall be saved,when Jesus saves Israel at the battle of Armageddon,and the kingdom on earth restored to Israel,and Jesus will fulfill the role of King on earth fulfilling the law then heaven and earth shall pass away.

Which the Bible says the LORD shall be King over all the earth,and in that day there shall be one LORD and His name one,and the knowledge of the LORD shall cover the whole earth.

The 200,000,000 men army is not the attack on Jerusalem but happens during the first three and one half years of the 7 years period,and is the deciding factor that the world turns to the man of sin,beast,as the solution for there to be peace on earth.

The attack on Jerusalem happens after the 7 years period is over.

The Bible says that Israel is protected from physical attack during the 7 years period for God has a plan to restore the kingdom on earth to her.

The Bible says Israel as a nation has 70 weeks to get in the truth and acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah,and they have not done that yet for they are blinded in part so the 70th week has not happened yet.

God said He will bring all the house of Israel back to their land and leave none of the them in the nations anymore,and will not hide His face from them anymore,and they shall know the LORD their God from that day forward,and be in the truth as a nation from that day forward.

The man of sin will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel,and the Jews and the Gentiles will be separated for the Jews are not in the nations anymore,which is what the man of sins wants so they are all in one location,but God means it for good so He can work with them and bring them to the truth.

The Gentile nations will come together and say Peace and safety as they try to establish peace on earth,and the world will operate by the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and a unified religious system based on spiritual evolution through nature,and people can still evolve,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and an ascended master,and honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as their higher power.

The unified religious system is based on spiritual evolution through nature and anybody that preaches anything contrary to that will be guilty of a hate crime punishable in the international criminal court system,which God warned us of them and their false interpretation of the Bible,and the time will come that the world will not endure the truth of the Bible but only want to hear it according to the unified religious system,and Christianity will rapidly decline in impacting the world with the truth,which the saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,and the man of sin claims to be God.

The Jews will rebuild their temple with no hassle from the Palestinians,and split Jerusalem with the Palestinians.

The 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to turn to God,but after the 6th trumpet they do not repent of their sins,and turn to God,so God gives the world the man of sin to rule over them and deceive all people who do not love God,and is the time for God to end this sin business on earth.

An example is WW1,set up League of Nations,did not turn to God,WW2,set up United Nations,did not turn to God,and that pattern will continue until God gives them the man of sin to rule over them for they will not turn to God but keep trying to establish peace on earth by their own methods,and going by their own ways.

When they say Peace and safety then sudden destruction comes upon them,and they shall not escape,and the ten horn kingdom will fail at obtaining peace on earth,and the world turns to the man of sin for the solution to have peace on earth.

The 200 million men army happens during the first three and one half years of the 7 years period,the 6th trumpet,which I believe it is the religion of Islam as they rebel against the ten horn kingdom,and unified religious system,because of the belief in a personal God,and wanting to spread their religion which the world is hindering them to do that.

That war is so terrible that the world turns to the man of sin as the solution to have peace on earth,and when the world accepts the beast kingdom and takes the mark then repentance and salvation is no longer available to the world,and the fulness of the Gentiles will be come in,and God will the turn the nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and then the world will attack Jerusalem,and Jesus will save them,and defeat the world,and restore the kingdom on earth to Israel.

The 57 countries will not attack Jerusalem for God will not allow it for He has a plan to restore the kingdom on earth to the nation of Israel,and Israel is protected from physical attack for the 7 years period.

God said He will gather all nations together against Jerusalem,not only 57 nations,and then He will go forth and fight those nations as He did in the day of battle,and defeat them,and this will happen after the 7 years period is over,for God is allowing the world 7 years to have their way so He will not go against them until that time is over,which the beast has power to rule over the world for the last three and one half years.

The world can still repent of their sins and be saved for the first three and one half years,and the beast has power to rule for the last three and one half years,and after the 7 years period then God will go against them.

The 200 million men army is before the world attacks Jerusalem,and happens during the first three and one half years of the 7 years period,and the attack on Jerusalem happens after the 7 years period is over.

The 57 countries will not attack Jerusalem,and the whole world could attack Jerusalem right now,every man,woman,and child,and they would fail,and could launch every nuclear weapon at them and they would fail,and could try to bomb them with every jet available on earth with bombs on them,and they would fail,for God will not allow it.

The reason God allows the attack on Jerusalem after the 7 years period is over is because He is going to save Israel,and defeat the world.

Until then the world is not going to do anything by way of attacking Jerusalem,and the 200 million men army is not attacking Jerusalem,but they are fighting the world which the 6th trumpet describes nuclear weapons,and the little horn,man of sin,plucks up 3 horns by the roots,which means the 3 sections of the world occupied by Arab nations will be devastated,for the Arab governments will come together with the nations of the world,but the people of those nations will rebel against the ten horn kingdom,and the unified religious system,for governments can be influenced to go along with other nations,and can even be influenced to put people in power that are with them,but the people of the nations might not think the same way and rebel.
 

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Israel and the escape rapture are as sacred as Mary is to Catholics
I also see the discrepancies associated with two different salvations for two groups of people, at two different times.
Amazing how so many do not see how their perspective denies the Word in so many areas.

Galatians 3:There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

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It does not much good to engage in OP's that predict "the end" every couple of weeks from a source,
Just discussing different passages from the Bible on this forum.


or the slander laden OP's attacking Trump that come along ever so often as well.
Brother, you accuse me of slander, where is you're proof? Will you falsely accuse me? Accuse me of slander for only disagreeing with someone?


Typically these OP's come from the same author.
So? Feel free to engage anytime. I also go to the other forums, news.
 

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Brother louis,

I'm sorry for the delays, I keep losing internet signal. It happens here often.


Brother abcdef, this is where it gets a little complicated, and I hope you are well versed in Revelation.
In Revelation 17:8, the angel informs John that the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit.
Somehow the beast is the iron legs/toes of the statue in Daniel 2.

As such, the bottomless pit is another description for the sea in Revelation 13 from which the beast will ascend.
The beast is shown in victory over the 2 Witnesses (2W's). Does he come out of the pit after that? Right after he has killed the 2W's? He will go into the abyss, and then come right out again, right away?


In Revelation 13:2 we see that the devil provides the beast with his power.
yes, I believe that it is spiritual power to keep people from finding salvation.


This power from the sea is what causes the beast to ascend from the sea,
Who is the beast? The waters are people according to Rev 17:15, do you think that scripture applies here?


aka the bottomless pit; and as a result has the whole world in love with the beast and the devil for having provided this energy source that will bring about a materialistic utopia for the worshippers of the beast (Revelation 13:4).
I'm not sure that the power is a material entity, like electricity. But I agree with you about the materialistic utopia. Satan wants us to be concerned with the things of this world and it's comfort for the flesh.


In Revelation 16, we then see all the catastrophies from Gods wrath that shall befall the worshippers of the beast, right up to great global earthquake concluding Armageddon (Revelation 16:17-18).
Maybe there are some symbolic implications in the plagues.


The first vial of Gods wrath on the worshippers of he beast causes them a noisome and grievous sore (Revealation 16:2).
In comparrison we see in Revelation 9:5, that after opening the bottomless pit men are afflicted by sores for 5 months.
I wonder if the sores are on their souls instead of the flesh? Maybe both?


So now we are back to your question about the cause for earths entire military forces (200 million), wiping out 1/3 of all mankind.
It does say that the forces are released from the Euphrates region.

If the sores the worshippers of the beast experience in Revelation 9:5, and 16:2, are the same; would not the six following vials of Gods wrath upon the worshippers of the beast in Revelation 16, correlate with the following elimination of 1/3 of earth populace due a lack of resources as indicated in Revelation 16?
Well, they seem to both be sores of some kind. But it looks like the sores are caused by different events. In Rev 9:3-6, 5, the sores are caused by the entities released at the abyss. In Rev 16:2, the sores are a result of the vial being poured out.

They don't seem to be the same, at first. If they were the same, would that make the 5th trumpet, the same event as the 1st vial being poured out? They would happen at the same time?



Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Revelation 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
 
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Brother abcdef,
Are you aware that angels are our illuminators?
They are either the Lords angels providing man with true illumination, or they are Satan's angels providing man with false illumination (2 Corinthians 11:14).
So now you tell me, what type of angels do you think require releasing (Revelation 9:15), where they then go out and cause all of earths military forces (200 million) to band together and eliminate 1/3 of all mankind? What illumination do you think they provide mankind; is it from God, or from Satan? And what does mankind do after 1/3 of mankind is eliminated? According to Revelation 9:20-21, they continue on with their worship for the works from their hands?

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Revelation 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Brother louis.

The angels/spirits in Rev 7:1-3, 9:13-15. I have always seen them as "good" angels/spirits.

The 4 winds are the things that hurt. This would be similar to the angels with the trumpets or vials. The angels "holding" the trumpets/plagues are not evil. So the angels "holding" the winds from blowing would be good also.

These 4 angels take their orders from God. 1st seen as the rising angel in the east, and then as the voice from the altar.

The fact that the angel/spirit in the Rev 7:1-3 is rising, seems into show that the power of the angel is increasing. The increasing power would be needed to hold the winds that would be increasing in strength, a result of being held back. Like a dam trying to hold back the water.

The angels are holding the 4 winds from hurting.

God is love. The flow of blessings from His throne holds the creation together and keeps us alive. God doesn't "involve" evil, He withdraws from it. The trumpets/vials and winds are a result of God withdrawing His flow of blessings and darkness comes rushing in.

Like the ark of Noah. When God withdrew His blessings on the earth, the dark waters came rushing in. This is the same principal. God's blessings sustained the grass and trees, etc, until God withdraws His blessings of holding back the 4 winds of destruction, then the winds of the Euphrates do hurt the grass and trees.

The grass is symbolic of the flesh (Isa 40:6, 1 Pet 1:24). The only flesh that God is interested in is those who are, and will be, the flesh that carries the Holy Spirit of the kingdom of Israel. Both natural and wild branches.

The trees are symbolic of Israel also. Fig, Olive, and others.

This shows that the winds of destruction blow across the Euphrates River, toward Israel and Jerusalem, as the army of the symbolic 200 mill horsemen.

Jerusalem must be restored at the time of the 6th trumpet, or it wold be meaningless for this army to attack Israel, if His children were not there.
 
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i think it will be a unity of muslim nations that will attack israel. they tried many times before but was always defeated. quran talks about that doomsday can not come until the muslims defeat the jews.
 

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i think it will be a unity of muslim nations that will attack israel. they tried many times before but was always defeated. quran talks about that doomsday can not come until the muslims defeat the jews.
Hi jovanovic,

I have noticed that and agree.

Do you have the details about what they believe on that? Or know where to find what they believe as regarding the defeat of Jerusalem?
 

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I hope this is true and Y-shua returns... I'm hate getting up and going to work and paying bills. I'm ready for home!!!!
 

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Turkish newspaper fantasies = Jerusalem will soon fall because of that ilusionary army.

Hm... not a good work with reality, I think. Dispensationalists are still trying to catch everything anybody says, just to see the fullfilment of their view.

Jerusalem fell several times last 1000 years and voila, we are still here.

How did Jerusalem fall many times during the last 1000 years........The story is that Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD and was later covered over and renamed to keep people from worshiping there. OH, it was Aelia Capitolina, 135AD...by Roman emperor Hadrian.

In the past 1000 years, it has been in the hands of the Ottoman Turks, 1517-1917,,, United Nations (Britian) 1917-1967. Israel today. That is three in 1500+ years.

The part about Jerusalem falling will not happen until the Great Tribulations that Jesus speaks of in Mat. 24: The prophecies of wars, Psalm 83, Damascus, Elam, MayGOG will not destroy Israel or Jerusalem according to the Bible. God will protect them from ruin until the appointed time. Actually during the first 3.5 years of Daniel's 70th week, the third temple will be rebuilt.

Israel to date has everything in place to run a temple when it is rebuilt.....and I think they are finally deciding the correct place to place that temple which was in the old city of David which is now in plowed fields....A prophecy---you bet you elbow???? Jer 26:18

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