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Jesus also said that the person who gets into heaven, is those who have faith in and believe on Him. :) We ARE supposed to do God's will, definitely. BUT we are NOT to do those good works for the purpose of securing our place in heaven. No amount of good works will get you, or me or anyone else here into heaven.


p_rehbein said:
This is a negative example. Are there no positive examples of such things?

And I still need to determine what priority to place on these things........IF they are not Gods will, but kinda like "optional." then why would anyone focus on them. I want to focus on doing Gods will.......not clutter things up with optional stuff. Jesus said the person who gets into Heaven is the person who does Gods will........THAT is what I want to focus on!
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eternally-gratefull said:
Those who are saved DO THE WILL OF GOD

[SUP]4[/SUP]Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.[SUP]8 [/SUP]He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.


PS,, sinning is being DISOBEDIENT, Not living in sin is being OBEDIENT (did not want you to yell you were talking about obedience again without seeing my context.
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None of that has anything to do with Matthew 7:21. So what is your point exactly?

By the by........do YOU know what Gods Will is?

Those who are saved DO THE WILL OF GOD

What is this will we are suppose to do exactly?
 
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p_rehbein said:
This is a negative example. Are there no positive examples of such things?

And I still need to determine what priority to place on these things........IF they are not Gods will, but kinda like "optional." then why would anyone focus on them. I want to focus on doing Gods will.......not clutter things up with optional stuff. Jesus said the person who gets into Heaven is the person who does Gods will........THAT is what I want to focus on!
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Okay, so... of the two, which is optional and which is necessary? A. working on the committee that sends flowers to the sick or B. not murdering anyone.
 
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blue_ladybug said:
Jesus also said that the person who gets into heaven, is those who have faith in and believe on Him. :) We ARE supposed to do God's will, definitely. BUT we are NOT to do those good works for the purpose of securing our place in heaven. No amount of good works will get you, or me or anyone else here into heaven.
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Where do you read that in Scripture? Where do you read that "good works" are His will?
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
Okay, so... of the two, which is optional and which is necessary? A. working on the committee that sends flowers to the sick or B. not murdering anyone.
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Funny........that is not what I am asking.......speaking of the list I posted...........are they His will? I have been told they are not. If not, are they optional? If so, then we are not required to do them right?
 
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His point is, that I'm saying the exact same thing that you're saying. That Jesus is the rock. :) Jesus IS our salvation. HE is the reason we can be secure in that. I have NEVER stated otherwise, and I challenge you to find one post where I have. When I said that not all houses that are built upon rocks are secure, I meant that literally. The ONLY rock that IS secure to build our houses on, is Jesus. :)
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If I misread your comment, then that's my bad......and I am glad you agree that Jesus is the ROCK.

My point was (and remains) that we can never be obedient to Him without first believing in Him, and that He is the ROCK we build our spiritual house on. If that is works salvation, then so be it.......
 
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​No offense meant, but you cannot possibly be this...dense. God says to love our neighbor. Doing good things for others is doing God's will. :) It's one of the ten commandments, or have you not read those? Now tell us what YOU think God's will is..


p_rehbein said:
Where do you read that in Scripture? Where do you read that "good works" are His will?
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You cannot expect to come into my house and do as you please just because I can provide you with shelter and food. You have to have faith in me that you will never go hungry or be homeless again, therefore by being obedient to my laws. Or get kicked out.
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In other words.

Our salvation depends on our obedience. Thank you, We know what you believe,

The op says he disagrees with this, I guess we will see if the op responds.
 
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p_rehbein said:
Funny........that is not what I am asking.......speaking of the list I posted...........are they His will? I have been told they are not. If not, are they optional? If so, then we are not required to do them right?
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Well, just add visiting the sick to your list. (It's sending flowers and not actually visiting, but it can loosely work). Is it Gods' will that we are kind to the sick and visit them? Isn't it a good work?
 
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​You seriously need to chill out. I was trying to lighten up this wacky conversation. :) This thread definitely needs some humor injected into it.


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If that was intended for me, then I have no idea what you are speaking of......if not intended for me. then ok too......
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Jesus said why call me Lord and NOT do what I say?

IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM, YOU WILL OBEY HIM!

Everything to do with what I have been saying all along.

goodness gracious ............ give me strength Lord



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Jesus said the will of the Father was to believe in Him. John 6:40 Is Jesus speaking.


So, I thought the things I listed were Gods will, but I was instructed differently.



IF Gods will is to believe in Christ........then, what are all these other things?

That is the point
 
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I think you are out to muddy the waters as best you can. You have proven that over and over. I know everyone is not out to get me.......I also know that you and a couple of others are disputationists who will do all they can to go at anyone who dares to disagree with their ideology.

You continue to not accept what I have already said......I have maintained from the beginning that being obedient to Christ is what is important.........and that the Holy Spirit is who empowers us to do the "works" He has for us to do. You refuse to acknowledge that I have held this out from the beginning of this Thread. It does not serve your purpose to acknowledge what I have ACTUALLY stated, and not what you distort my comments to be......
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Thats ok, Many people here know I disagree with their theology and we are still great friends. It is just a few select people that seems to have issues.. Wonder why that is?

Thats not the issue.. So I am not worried about what you THINK..

But thanks anyway.
 
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What is sad is how you pretend you are the one being congenial and such........and then you post stuff like this. You have distorted my comments again and again, and ignored those you can not distort.

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what is sad is that now twice I have shown you to be in error by not reading what was posted. And twice now you have played the victim and not admitted your mistake.

Thanks,, Keep on doing this so the rest can see.. (Although I do not consider it a battle. I wish you would just see what your doing)
 
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blue_ladybug said:
​You seriously need to chill out. I was trying to lighten up this wacky conversation. :) This thread definitely needs some humor injected into it.
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Walk the last few days in my shoes and then let me know how easy it is to see humor in a post. I do appreciate the attempt thought.......it is needed.

Well over 300 comments, and I have been told I am promoting works salvation for saying that these good works I listed and you spoke of are part of Gods will for us......and that when we walk obedient to Him, we will do these works.

So, it is kinda funny to me to see how people respond to me when I say that they are not Gods will........sometimes it doesn't matter what one says, just who is saying it I suppose........
 
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I think that you don't know WHAT works-based salvation even is. It is doing works solely for the purpose of getting to heaven. So if you think that doing things such as donating alot of money to charities, or mowing a neighbor's lawn, or helping someone out every day will secure your seat in heaven, you are dead wrong.

WORKS DO NOT GET US INTO HEAVEN. Works have NOTHING to do with getting to heaven. It is our FAITH and BELIEF in Jesus, that secures our salvation. :)

Seriously, is this the NBW thread, version 2.0? LOL


p_rehbein said:
If I misread your comment, then that's my bad......and I am glad you agree that Jesus is the ROCK.

My point was (and remains) that we can never be obedient to Him without first believing in Him, and that He is the ROCK we build our spiritual house on. If that is works salvation, then so be it.......
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