GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

PS · Mar 24, 2018

I see a lot of your additions. Read it again in another translation. There is a warning in there and you need to take heed. I have added nothing. That is the accuser speaking.

Therefore, as long as the promise of entering his rest remains valid, let us be afraid! Otherwise, some of you will fail to reach it, because we have had the good news told to us as well as to them. But the message they heard did not help them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened to it. We who have believed are entering that rest, just as he has said, "So in my anger I swore a solemn oath that they would never enter my rest," even though his actions had been finished since the creation of the world.
(Heb 4:1-3 ISV)

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

PS said:

So you post A paraphrase version in answer to a direct translation to which was added minimal commentary? Prove the post wrong and I will recant and confess.

1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us (the people of the writers day and us) of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel (His Rest) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest (His Rest; the Gospel), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Christ Jesus is our Life): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (the Gospel Rest has been available since Eden)

Verses 1 and 2 draw them together. The Gospel rest which is found in Christ Jesus.

The ISV did not give the Greek justice. They added to the word of GOD. The word "never" is not in the Greek text nor is it implied. They did it because they thought the verse was to be a direct paraphrase of Psa. 95:11 maybe.

It is not.

Here is what the text looks like in the Greek.

εἰ (if) εἰσελεύσονται (they shall be coming) εἰς (into) τὴν (the) κατάπαυσίν (rest) μου (of me)

It should also be noted that it states in the beginning of the verse that "We who have believed are entering that rest"

That statement is in direct conflict with, just as HE has said, "So in my anger I swore a solemn oath that they would never enter my rest"

lightbearer · Mar 24, 2018

Off to Church. Happy Sabbath everyone. May we all be blessed in all HIS Way:Jesus Christ.

Dan_473 · Mar 24, 2018

PS said:

wow, i didn't know that

i guess even smart people can miss the boat on God things

maybe we don't want to use his 613 number after all

Dan_473 · Mar 24, 2018

so LGF,

you asked me to prayerfully consider your questions in 7127

i did, and posted my answers

do you agree with the answers i posted?

LoveGodForever · Mar 24, 2018

Dan_473 said:

Hi Dan, maybe I will try asking the same question in a different way provide scriptures and see how we go.

The next first question was what is God's LAW written on stone and made by God himself. You answered 10 Commandments this is correct.

The next question that we are still on is..

What laws make up the OLD COVENANT and what were their purpose under the OLD COVENANT?

This is already answered in post # 7401 linked CLICK ME, out if interest but let's move through this slowly.

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Q. What laws make up the OLD COVENANT and what were their purpose under the OLD COVENANT?

A. The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of LAWS. These included 1. God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and 2. the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws for forgiveness of sin offerings for the SNACTUARY PRIESTHOOD.Scripture support...

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

CONCLUSION; Two sets of LAWS made up the OLD COVENANT. These included
1. GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments) and
2. The MOSAIC BOOK of laws and ORDINACNES for remission of SIN.

AGREE OR DISAGREE?

Will chat more latter late my time

Dan_473 · Mar 24, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Hi Dan, maybe I will try asking the same question in a different way provide scriptures and see how we go.

The next first question was what is God's LAW written on stone and made by God himself. You answered 10 Commandments this is correct.

The next question that we are still on is..

What laws make up the OLD COVENANT and what were their purpose under the OLD COVENANT?

This is already answered in post # 7401 linked CLICK ME, out if interest but let's move through this slowly.

...................

Q. What laws make up the OLD COVENANT and what were their purpose under the OLD COVENANT?

A. The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of LAWS. These included 1. God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and 2. the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws for forgiveness of sin offerings for the SNACTUARY PRIESTHOOD.Scripture support...

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

CONCLUSION; Two sets of LAWS made up the OLD COVENANT. These included
1. GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments) and
2. The MOSAIC BOOK of laws and ORDINACNES for remission of SIN.

AGREE OR DISAGREE?

Will chat more latter late my time

i disagree.

Moses wrote in the book everything God had commanded

Exodus 24: 3. And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do. 4. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD

PS · Mar 24, 2018

lightbearer said:

So you post A paraphrase version in answer to a direct translation to which was added minimal commentary? Prove the post wrong and I will recant and confess.

1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us (the people of the writers day and us) of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel (His Rest) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest (His Rest; the Gospel), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Christ Jesus is our Life): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (the Gospel Rest has been available since Eden)

Verses 1 and 2 draw them together. The Gospel rest which is found in Christ Jesus.

The ISV did not give the Greek justice. They added to the word of GOD. The word "never" is not in the Greek text nor is it implied. They did it because they thought the verse was to be a direct paraphrase of Psa. 95:11 maybe.

It is not.

Here is what the text looks like in the Greek.

εἰ (if) εἰσελεύσονται (they shall be coming) εἰς (into) τὴν (the) κατάπαυσίν (rest) μου (of me)

It should also be noted that it states in the beginning of the verse that "We who have believed are entering that rest"

That statement is in direct conflict with, just as HE has said, "So in my anger I swore a solemn oath that they would never enter my rest"

As I have sworn in my wrath, IF they shall enter into my rest.

What is the betting they won't enter into God's rest due to His anger? They certainly need to repent if that is what they want.

Studyman · Mar 24, 2018

Dan_473 said:

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LoveGodForever · Mar 24, 2018

Dan_473 said:

So you do not believe God's WORD that says the OLD COVENANT is made up of.......

1. God's 10 Commandments
2, The MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 31 [25], That Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,[26], Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

LoveGodForever · Mar 24, 2018

beta said:

Absolutely beta, I really do not understand how some people believe God's 10 Commandments have been blotted out and not the penalty of sin and ORDINANCES written in the book as the scriptures say is just simply amazing. To take the former is to deny Jesus and the Word of God.

Dan_473 · Mar 24, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

here's what I'm saying

Exodus 24: 3. And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD
Exodus 24: 4. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD

i take the words that Moses told the people and wrote down to be the laws in exodus 13, 20-23

(That would include the Ten commandments)

the words that Moses told the people and wrote down, then, Is the answer to the question "What laws make up the OLD COVENANT"

LoveGodForever · Mar 24, 2018

Dan_473 said:

So you do believe God's WORD that says the OLD COVENANT is made up of.......

1. God's 10 Commandments
2, The MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT ?

e.g.

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DEUTERONOMY 10:[2] And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which you broke, and you shall put them in the ark.

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EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 31 [25], That Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,[26], Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

PS · Mar 25, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Clarification. The commandments are for all time, however those who come believing to Jesus in repentance will have their sins forgiven.

Hebrews 10:17 Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."

Luke 5:20 When Jesus saw their faith, he said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven."

Matthew 9:5 Which is easier: to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'?

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, "Son, your sins are forgiven."

Matthew 9:2 Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, "Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven."

Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Isaiah 43:25 "I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more.

LoveGodForever · Mar 25, 2018

PS said:

Good for you PS, God's 10 Commandments are indeed forever because they show us what SIN is.

It is the laws of ORDINANCES written in the MOSAIC book for remission of SIN and the PENALTY FOR SIN that is blotted out.

All we need is repentance, confession and FAITH in God's WORD. What a wonderful Saviour we have!

LoveGodForever · Mar 25, 2018

I promised somewhere to dig this up for GNP...

THE FALSE GOSPEL FROM THE GARDEN OF EDEN

Are you following the first lie?

Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3

Let's start here with the father of lies......

John 8
44, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.

The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.

links to...........

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

links to...........

1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do)

The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....

Genesis 3
1, Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2, And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)

3, But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.

4, And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)

5, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DIOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>

6, And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7, And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >

8, And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9, And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Key points and putting it all together..........

The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE.

Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.

THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment.

God says do not eat of the fruit, lest you DIE. By eating the fruit Adam and Eve chose NOT TO BELIEVE GOD and to BELIEVE the serpent. (UNBELIEF in GOD's WORD)

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THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.

SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)

It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)

If you break God's Commandments just like in the days of Adam and EVE you commit SIN (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will surely die and will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

graceNpeace · Mar 25, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Right, here is the summary of your position above....
What possible PROOF do you have that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represented the Torah. or partaking of the fruit of that tree, is, in fact, the reception of the Torah.
All you have provided is an INTERPRETATION that stretches credulity.
This is what we call eisegesis (this means reading into a passage of Scripture a meaning that CANNOT be obtained by reading it).

All Scripture says in regard to this event is: "[FONT=&quot]Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.[/FONT]" Gen 3:22 NJKV
Nothing less and nothing more!!!!!!
No mention of the Torah in this passage, and, no evidence that Adam and his wife or any other Patriarch followed the Torah as it is laid out from Exodus to Deuteronomy...

The more this goes on the more obvious it is that you are following a preprepared script, and even more obvious that you do not understand very much of it.....
You have been backed into a corner from which there is no escape!

Simply put, it is laughable to ascribe to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as representing the Torah!
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL FOR THIS ASSERTION!!!!!!

Ignorance, arrogance, and pride have got you to this position.
Perhaps the only thing that you proven beyond doubt is that you are a true believer in SDA doctrine, but that is not saying much given that it is just an exercise in muddle, confusion, and deception....

If you wish to apologise for trying to deceive people on this site and wish to repent then there are plenty of people on this site willing to take you through the sinners prayer...

lightbearer · Mar 25, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Amen brother! However With a new way to administer (minister) it. No longer Written with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God. For it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure.

PS · Mar 25, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

Yes, so why do you keep banging on to believers about keeping the commandments?

graceNpeace · Mar 25, 2018

PS said:

You know this already, but SDA doctrine does not believe in salvation by grace through faith, but the doctrines of the Seal of God (Sabbath worship), The Mark of the Beast (Sunday worship), non-assurance of salvation, and finally the infamous investigative judgement!
According to SDA doctrine the final discriminator of salvation is the day that one worships - nothing more and nothing less!
(Oh, and with the non-assurance of salvation thing you would need to do this to your dying day!!)
And good old LGF is a true believer in this regard - I refer you to the website that he so prominently advertises with every post!

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