GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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THE NEW COVENANT REPLACES THE OLD

What does the new Covenant REPLACE in the OLD COVENANT? Sola Scriptura...

KEY SCRIPTURE COL 2:11-17

COLOSIANS 2
[11], In whom also you are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:[12], Buried with him in baptism, in which also you are risen with him through the faith of the working of God, who has raised him from the dead. [13], And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he made alive together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[14],Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; [15], And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. [16], Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [17], Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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LINKING THE OLD WITH THE NEW

V11. Shadows of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing to CIRCUMCISION of the HEART MADE WITHOUT HANDS by the CIRCUMCISION of Christ.

FORTOLD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES….

DEUTERONOMY 30 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

JEREMIAH 4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

DEUTERONOMY 10 [16] CIRCUMCISE therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL
ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.
1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…
HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

CONCLUSION;
The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT. The SHADOW laws of the OLD COVENANT that are REPLACED CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14

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WHAT MADE UP THE OLD COVENANT?


The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of LAWS. These included God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws for forgiveness of sin offerings for the SNACTUARY PRIESTHOOD.

EXODUS 34
[28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the ten commandments.


EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.
CONCLUSION; Two sets of LAWS made up the OLD COVENANT. These included 1. GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments) and 2. The MOSAIC BOOK of laws and ORDINACNES for remission of SIN.

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THE NEW IS REPLACED BY THE OLD

COLOSIANS 2 [14],
Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE
14, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase>the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφονcheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLIESIASTICAL laws >that was against us, WHICH WERE AGAINST , and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 is in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

V14 Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA mean ing THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant

What is being REPLACED in the NEW COVANANT is the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws and ORDINANCES

This scripture cannot be referring to the abolishing of the 10 commandments of God’s LAW as God’s 10 Commandments are not
ORDINANCES and they are not written in a MANUSCRIPT they are written on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18). The chapter CONTEXT is in reference to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION once again from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. These were all SHADOWS and ORDINANCES OF the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant v17 pointing to Christ and the plan of SALVATION.

ORDINANCES that were against us is referring to the also referring to the PENALTY of SIN (breaking God’s Commandments and the ORDINANCES of curses written once again in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant.

DEUT 31 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUT 29 [21]
And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

(See the list of ORDINACES for curses of breaking Gods’ Law in DEUTERONOMY 28:15-68)

CONCLUSION; COL 2:14 is talking about the CIVIL CEREMONIAL AND ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant which are SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God’s plan of SALVATION. This is supported also by the within CHAPTER CONTEXT and SUBJECT matter of v16 which are all CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOCAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not referring to ABOLISHING God’s 10 Commandments.

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THE OLD COVENANT POINTING TO THE NEW

HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings

HEBREWS 10 [4] FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.

EPHESIANS 2 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

HEBREWS 13 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12] WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.

The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow

EZEKIEL 46 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

HEBREWS 10 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings).

NUMBERS 19 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

JOHN 6 [55] For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.

NUMBERS 18 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire: EVERY OBLATION of theirs, EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ and God's LAW written on the heart in those who BELIEVE the WORD of GOD. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law

ROMANS 3 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

ZECHARIAH 9 [9]
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also, BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water
Verse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant

HEBREWS 12
[23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


New covenant... blood

LUKE 22
[19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.


Where is all this leading? The NEW COVENANT of course...

JEREMIAH [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

2 CORINTHIANS 3
[2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

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OVERALL CONCLUSION;
Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is.

The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE.

NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices and FORGIVENESS OF SIN and DELIVERANCE from the PENALTY of SIN through FAITH in CHRIST and the BLOOD of the NEW COVENANT.

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What things are impossible with men are possible with God. We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. Of our ownselves we can do nothing at all. Jesus says; They that be whole need not a physician but they that are sick.
I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. Many do not know the meaning. How can you know your sick if your mirror is lost or broken?

If you are not abiding in him how can yo ubear fruit. He that commits SIN is a servant of SIN. If the Son shall make you free you shall be free indeed. Truly, truly I say to you unless a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his nature remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Little children let no man deceive you. He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil.

Do you know the scriptures quoted above PS?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
those commands would be believe in the name of the Son and love one another. not Sabbath . not one word about Sabbath in 1st John.
 
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those commands would be believe in the name of the Son and love one another. not Sabbath . not one word about Sabbath in 1st John.
TO BELIEVE is to FOLLOW this includes all of God's WORD that we are to LIVE by.

You are not BELIEVING God's WORD if you do not FOLLOW him.

The Devils BELIEVE but do not FOLLOW. This is not the faith of the God's WORD.

Those who say they BELIEVE but do not FOLLOW are deceiving themselves.

James 1:22 But be you doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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No dear, I follow no man, woman or church. I only BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you follow God's WORD you would BELIEVE and FOLLOW it but you choose to reject all the scriptures in the posts that do not agree with you.

Many posts and scripture you ignore dear and if you know God's WORD you should be able to respond to God's WORD sent to help you that you choose to ignore.

CLICK ME FOR COL 2:14-17


More Scripture...

CLICK HERE; WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT?

CLICK HERE; SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT?.

CLICK HERE; WHY THE SABBATH CANNOT BE A CEREMONIAL LAW?


Dear, if you do not KNOW God's WORD how can you know what the OLD and NEW COVENANT is? If you believe you do KNOW God's WORD please respond to the posts sent to you and the scriptures in them. If you cannot it is ok as well, maybe you can pray about them at home?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
If you believe in God, than you do what New Covenant do, not Old Covenant.

the real has been come, the old is only shadow. Why you keep the shadow?

it mean you not doing His command.

you ask me how I know the New if I do not know the Old

1. I know the old, it is for Israel. You do not know the old, and you think the old is for you.

2. One may know the new though do not know the old.

one may do not know to drive old car with manual transmission but know to drive new car with automatic transmission

so so your analogy is totally wrong.

for sure you do not know the old, that is why you think 10 C is for you.
 
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If you believe in God, than you do what New Covenant do, not Old Covenant.
the real has been come, the old is only shadow. Why you keep the shadow? it mean you not doing His command.
you ask me how I know the New if I do not know the Old 1. I know the old, it is for Israel. You do not know the old, and you think the old is for you. 2. One may know the new though do not know the old. one may do not know to drive old car with manual transmission but know to drive new car with automatic transmission so so your analogy is totally wrong.for sure you do not know the old, that is why you think 10 C is for you.
If you do not KNOW what the OLD Covenant is how can you KNOW what the NEW COVENANT IS?

READ the TOP post on this page

POST # 7401 linked CLICK ME on what is the NEW COVENANT CLICK ME

You do not understand THE OLD AND NEW COVENANTS dear. If you do not KNOW what the COVENANT are how can you know what the Gospel is?

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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TO BELIEVE is to FOLLOW this includes all of God's WORD that we are to LIVE by.

You are not BELIEVING God's WORD if you do not FOLLOW him.

The Devils BELIEVE but do not FOLLOW. This is not the faith of the God's WORD.

Those who say they BELIEVE but do not FOLLOW are deceiving themselves.

James 1:22 But be you doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
greek word for believe - pisteuo- definition-to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, to place confidence in. this word is used 244 times in the N.T., many more than Sabbath.

it seems God's word is correct and your sda/ ellen white propaganda is wrong.
 
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greek word for believe - pisteuo- definition-to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, to place confidence in. this word is used 244 times in the N.T., many more than Sabbath.
Indeed without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. All things are possible in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of God.
 

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Sadly he doesn't care about any of this.
His goal is simple: prosetylization of the unwary....

Although Adventism is all about works salvation, they are NOT Hebrew roots believers.
They have this strange system of belief that the law, apart from the Ten commandments, was nailed to the cross.
This unbiblical belief is necessary to justify the Sabbath.
They do not accept that the whole law was taken care of on the cross.

SDA doctrine has created a false dichotomy of the law. They refer to the Law of God (the Ten commandments) and the Law of Moses (the rest of the law) and pretend that they are different things.
Of course, just scrutinising several OT verses where the terms "law of God" and "law of Moses" are found one quickly realised that the two terms are used interchangeably and cannot be used to justify such a false division.

They cannot directly show that Sabbath-keeping is incumbent of New covenant believers and so are forced into an indirect approach asserting that every occurrence of the word "commandment" or "his commandments" MUST perforce refer to the ten commandments. In addition they ask dumb questions like "prove that God has revoked the Sabbath" when in fact, one can prove that the entire covenant, of which the Sabbath was the sign has ben abrogated in Jesus Christ initiating the New covenant. Somehow, in the strange logic of Adventists, they refuse to accept that the Sinaitic covenant has been abrogated by the New covenant. Somehow only parts of it are abrogated, but not what they refer to as the "law of God".
As discussed earlier they refuse to accept that the law, Torah has none of these false divisions.

Another false doctrine that they push is the claim that the law, Torah, was known to the Patriarchs and that they kept the Law and the Sabbath from the get go!!!
All despite the fact that there is not a shred of even circumstantial evidence for this.
Their favourite go to verse is Gen 26:5 "5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
However, there is no proof whatsoever exactly what the commandments, statutes and laws are!!!!!
Neither here nor anywhere in Genesis is it ever spelled out what they are.
As a consequence any Adventist clam that this text refers to the Torah, which only comes much later starting in Exodus, can only only be dismissed as pure speculation....

The reason they try so hard to push this false interpretation is that they claim that the Law, Torah, is eternal and cannot be superceded or abrogated, by the New covenant. This is bizarre because they are happy that the so called "Law of Moses" is nailed to the cross but not the Ten commandments.

So, they are forced to construct an elaborate house of cards which they defend fiercely and vociferously despite the fact that it can be so easily undone....
Ultimately, the New covenant endorses nine out of the ten commandments of the decalogue, with the Sabbath being the conspicuous absentee.
The whole house of cards is an attempt to shoehorn the Sabbath into the New covenant....

Back of this are further false doctrines including the doctrine of the investigative judgement (no group apart from the Adventists have anything remotely similar) and their doctrinal claims that Sabbath-keeping was the Seal of God and that the Mark of the Beast was Sunday-keeping. All these doctrines are man-made. The doctrine of investigative judgement is credited to Ellen G. White and the doctrines of the Seal of God and the Mark of the Beast originate with Joseph Bates.
These false doctrines underlie the reasons why Adventists so fiercely defend the 4th commandment, and by extension the Ten commandments as outlined in Exodus 20:1-17.

Of course, as part of the Sinaitic covenant, the entire covenant has been abrogated by the establishing of the New Covenant, and the Sabbath is absent from any texts detailing the responsibilities of New covenant believers......
Excellent post! You nailed it! ;)
 

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Indeed without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that comes to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. All things are possible in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of God.
and the Word of God is Jesus. ( in the beginning was the Word....). the word of God is not Sabbath.
 
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and the Word of God is Jesus. ( in the beginning was the Word....). the word of God is not Sabbath.
AMEN! This is what the thread is about. Jesus is the WORD of God. Correct Jesus is NOT a SABBATH like many think.

He is the CREATOR of the SABBATH.

First time I have said it but nice post gb9 something we agree on :)
 

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AMEN! This is what the thread is about. Jesus is the WORD of God. Correct Jesus is NOT a SABBATH like many think.

He is the CREATOR of the SABBATH.

First time I have said it but nice post gb9 something we agree on :)
good. now here is where the agreement ends- Sabbath has nothing to do with Christianity. not one N.T verse says that believers are to keep the jewish Sabbath.
 
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good. now here is where the agreement ends- Sabbath has nothing to do with Christianity. not one N.T verse says that believers are to keep the jewish Sabbath.
Indeed this is where the agreement ends. I BELIEVE Jesus (God's WORD) says; on the two great Commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40) and that he is LORD of the Sabbath and made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27-28).

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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Indeed this is where the agreement ends. I BELIEVE Jesus (God's WORD) says; on the two great Commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40) and that he is LORD of the Sabbath and made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27-28).
What did the Lord of the Sabbath do on the Sabbath?

Answer: he WORKED.
 
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What did the Lord of the Sabbath do on the Sabbath?

Answer: he WORKED.
Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.

Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

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Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
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Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
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But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
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For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Doing GOD'S WORK is NOT what the 4th Commandment is talking about please read it.

God's 4th Commandments says we are NOT to do OUR OWN WORK. Yep NO secular bussiness or paid work, no uneccesary domestic work, no buying and selling, shopping. This can be done on the other days of the week. God has made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY and we are to REST in HIM by FAITH in the LORD of the SABBATH. This is the 4th Commandment and one of the God's 10.


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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).





 
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Indeed this is where the agreement ends. I BELIEVE Jesus (God's WORD) says; on the two great Commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40) and that he is LORD of the Sabbath and made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27-28).
Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath.

Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
So considering what you have just said, from the Ten Commandments, what in your view is unlawful?
 
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So from the Ten Commandments, what in your view is unlawful?
Sin is the transgression of God's LAW because it is by God's LAW we have a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS. It makes nothing perfect bur leads us to the doctor of sin to find the cure which is faith in God's WORD.

All things are possible in those who BELIEVE God. This is the gospel and the power of God unto salvation to all those who BELIEVE. FAITH is the victory that overcomes the world.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

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Sin is the transgression of God's LAW because it is by God's LAW we have a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS. It makes nothing perfect bur leads us to the doctor of sin to find the cure which is faith in God's WORD.
Was the Good Samaritan a sinner for going on a journey on the Sabbath? Isn't that considered work?
 

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the next question from 7127

"what are their [the laws of the OLD COVENANT] purpose and how to they relate to the NEW COVENANT?"

i think it is to do this

Exodus 19: 5. Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6. And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.
 

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Sin is the transgression of God's LAW because it is by God's LAW we have a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS.....
This is false on every level.

Lets look a Genesis chapter 3:22-24:
"[FONT=&quot]22 Then the Lord God said, “[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.[/FONT]"

Here we have God Himself proclaiming that as a result of sin that man, now, "has become like one of Us", in what respect: "to know good and evil."!
Before the fall they had NO need of any law.
All they had was the one instruction from God: "[FONT=&quot]“Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”[/FONT]" Gen 2:16 NKJV
That is NOT the law as given to Moses. It is not the Torah.
Yet, immediately after SINNING they now had the capacity to discern good and evil!
No Torah in sight...

Lets go to Romans chapter 2:12-16
"[FONT=&quot]12 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]14 [/FONT][FONT=&quot]for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.[/FONT]"

Paul does not agree with you either.
He explicitly tells that even those without the Law (Torah) will also perish for sins committed...
And also that those without the Law (Torah) who nonetheless do things in the Law, are a law unto themselves...

By your logic this is not possible....
You silly doctrines tie you up in so many illogical knots that you are completely unable to see simple truth....