Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

[Ariel82]

Sometimes God tells us to rest. Sometimes he tells us to work. We have to be lead by the Holy spirit.
.Jesus told His disciples before and after big mission trips to go away alone and rest.

I believe he does the same for us today...before a big mission trip God gives us time to rest and focus on Him....afterwards He gives us time to rest also.

God's Sabbath is more than a weekly observance.,,it's trusting and testing in God's love and promise to care for us and shape is into,the holy people He wants us to be.

 

[Ariel82]

The word of God teaches us that every person is responsible for their own sins. Whatever is a sin to God is what matters. If you think you have sinned, you go to God and ask him. He is our Father and he will tell us if we are right or wrong.

I totally agree with that too.

Do you remember the story in the old testament as they were claiming the promised land.

God commanded them to go and fight. They refused because they were scared.., Then later they went and fought and we're defeated, because God didn't tell them to go at that time.

It's about God's timing and His commands. How he leads us has a purpose. He makes appointments for us to meet people and talk to them either so we might grow or we might encourage them and they might grow.

If we pray and follow Him, we see how wonderful and loving our God truly is and how He uses us to bless others and how He uses others to bless us...

That is always amazing.

 

[Ariel82]

Well Ariel and Stunned, if you take a hard look at Christianity you will find a lot of changes in the last 175 years. It wasn't generally believed that Jesus was physically and literally going to return to earth, until 1844. The Adventist Movement was started by stating that fact. The Puritans and generally everyone 100 years ago would argue they had to keep the Ten Commandments. That is why we have so many "blue laws" on state's books. They believed that keeping Sunday as the Fourth Commandment. Why do you think so many courthouses have them posted?

It wasn't believed that gifts of the spirit and divine healing were possible until the Pentecostal Movement about 1900. The antichrist has had his way with Christianity for 2000 years. We are in the last days where knowledge will increase (see Dan. 12:4).

I have no problem with the ten commandments if people keep them as Jesus taught on the Sermon. On the mount and not as the Jews believe was taught on Mount Sinai.

Do you agree with the SDA?

Your history lesson may be interesting sidenote....but what is your stance on the Sabbath?

Do you follow the Letter or the Spirit?

 

[Ariel82]

Yes by all means meet and worship God every day...but not at the expense of rejecting/denying the 7th day Sabbath.
NO other day is officially holy and sanctified by GOD....that is the point !

Acts 20 says they were 'breaking Bread...and EATING...having a meal v11...it was not an official religious gathering (as it would be on a Sabbath).
1Cor 16 does not refer to a sunday collection but a storing away on the first day (work) of PRODUCE to be shipped to Jerusalem by one or more men according to the amount of fruit.produce gathered.
Neither of these point to any official religious sunday observance.

Do you not know your early church history?

Do you think they had churches or cathedral like we have today?

They were being rounded up and killed!

All meetings were in secret. In houses.
.there was no formal official meeting like we have today.

People were being fed to lions.
.People were being crucified and doused in oil, set on fire to be human torches and light the garden party of Nero.

You are in bondage to man made traditions and teachings.
.I will pray God reveals His truth to you.


Dismiss if you like the Biblical fact that they meet EVERY DAY to eat and worship GOD.

DISMISS the fact that they were family to one another. Dismiss. God's calling to be Holy every day, be His priest every day, worship with your body as His temple every day.

However do not lie to yourself and others about God's truths given in His holy bible.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

God has given us something to cause us to obey that same law written on paper, and that is the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit no one can obey the law. God proved that by the Israelites. He teaches us the truth, just like he taught all the prophets that had the Holy Spirit. They had no problem obeying the law because they walked with God.

Those who walk in the holy spirit don't have to follow the letters of the written law. It can help at times, but it's not required. Because

concerning brotherly love, I do not have need to write to you, for you yourselves are taught by God to love one another, 1 Thessalonians 4:9​

Those who were blameless under the OT law walked by faith.

 

[Gabriel2020]

Timothy;3;16-17; All scripture is given by inspiration of God,and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for INSTRUCTION in righteousness. 17; That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly FURNISHED unto all good works.............. As believers , We are in need of being instructed of the things that the Holy Spirit has put in us.

 

[Ariel82]

I would like to thank you all for the time and love you took to contribute to this thread.

I learned a lot and feel more grounded in Jesus words and what He means for us to do on His Holy days (which is every day since they all belong to Him).

I feel called to continue my studies on another topic..,.either Levitical priesthood or early Christian church life....haven't decided yet.

Just wanted to say a prayer and explain if I am slow in answering.

 

[beta]

Then you take away dead men's bones.
.Jesus taught us how to keep all ten commanmenrs in His sermon on the mount according to the Spirit not the Letter.

Have you bothered to learn what Jesus taught as the Law for the New Covenant?

The Sabbath has always been about not laboring for food or clothes but to rest and trust that God will provide.

Jesus says that we should SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and God will provide us food and clothes.
.he points to the grass clothed in flowers and the birds who do not store up food, yet are beautifully clothed and fed.

God is promising us the same if we obey His voice and not harden our hearts in disobedience.


Will we SEEK FIRST THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN?

Okay so you admit that you don't have enough faith to do it every day.
.do you have enough faith to do it even one day a week?

What do you do on your weekly Sabbath day?

Do you follow Jewsih Kabbalic oral traditions?

Do you light the candle 18 minutes before sunset and welcome in Lady Sabbath with music and worship? Then mourn Sat night when she has to leave? Some Jewish households practice this idolatry of the Sabbath,

Do you refuse to cook,clean or make money?

Do you read your Bible? Fellowship with others? Sing songs of praise? Do you fast from food or tv or anything that might distract you from God?

Does it end there?

Or do you do as Jesus commands....seek first the kingdom of God and do good works for His glory on this day?

Do you visit orophabs and widows? Do you preach the gospel to the poor? Do you feed the hungry? Do you clothe the naked? Do you give water to the thirsty? Do you welcome strangers and show them how to become brethren?

Do you rest in the knowledge that nothing you do or don't do will gain your salvation, only the fact that you have faith in what Jesus did upon the cross gives you admittancein to the kingdom of Heaven.

Do you find rest in Jesus Christ and His finished work?

Do you trust God to provide for your food and clothes or do you believe like some accuse me, that you will starve if you rest in God every day? SEEK to do His will every day? See Him in every face you serve? Do all work as if it's for God and not men?

Do you truly keep the Sabbath or do you just follow the letter of the Law and handmade oral traditions given by Jewish rabbis who rejected and crucified Jesus?

Yes you can ask many questions ...but you will never know !

 

[beta]

Do you not know your early church history?

Do you think they had churches or cathedral like we have today?

They were being rounded up and killed!

All meetings were in secret. In houses.
.there was no formal official meeting like we have today.

People were being fed to lions.
.People were being crucified and doused in oil, set on fire to be human torches and light the garden party of Nero.

You are in bondage to man made traditions and teachings.
.I will pray God reveals His truth to you.


Dismiss if you like the Biblical fact that they meet EVERY DAY to eat and worship GOD.

DISMISS the fact that they were family to one another. Dismiss. God's calling to be Holy every day, be His priest every day, worship with your body as His temple every day.

However do not lie to yourself and others about God's truths given in His holy bible.

You are being 'carried away with your own understanding....speaking as if others knew nothing, accusing and degrading them without knowing anything about them...you should repent !!! Jesus has a few choice words to say to those who think they know it all !!!

You know that BAITING is not allowed ?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

She is speaking well. I'll look for your new threads Ariel.

 

[Ariel82]

Sometimes all one can do is pray.

And more often my words don't capture my thoughts.

So I will offer up a song...a prayer song as so many of Rich Mullins songs were...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aRcKs-NvxqQ

There's more that rises in the morning than the sun
And more that shines in the night than just the moon
There's more than just this fire here that keeps me warm
In a shelter that is larger than this room

And there's a loyalty that's deeper than mere sentiments
And a music higher than the songs that I can sing
Stuff of Earth competes for the allegiance
I owe only to the Giver of all good things

So if I stand let me stand on the promise that you will pull me through
And if I can't, let me fall on the grace that first brought me to You
So if I sing let me sing for the joy that has born in me these songs
And if I weep let it be as a man who is longing for his home

And there's more that dances on the prairies than the wind
And more that pulses in the ocean than the tide
There's a love that's fiercer than the love between friends
More gentle than a mother's when her baby's at her side

And there's a loyalty that's deeper than mere sentiments
And a music higher than the songs that I can sing
The stuff of Earth competes for the allegence
I owe only to the Giver of all good things

So if I stand let me stand on the promise that You will pull me through
And if I can't let me fall on the grace that first brought me to You
And if I sing let me sing for the joy that has born in me these songs
And if I weep let it be as a man who is longing for his home

So if I stand let me stand on the promise You will pull me through
And if I can't let me fall on the grace that first brought me to You
And if I sing let me sing for the joy that has born in me these songs
And if I weep let it be as a man who is longing for his home

And if I weep let it be as a man who is longing for home

 

[Ariel82]

Sometimes all one can do is pray.

And more often my words don't capture my thoughts.

So I will offer up a song...a prayer song as so many of Rich Mullins songs were...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aRcKs-NvxqQ

There's more that rises in the morning than the sun
And more that shines in the night than just the moon
There's more than just this fire here that keeps me warm
In a shelter that is larger than this room

And there's a loyalty that's deeper than mere sentiments
And a music higher than the songs that I can sing
Stuff of Earth competes for the allegiance
I owe only to the Giver of all good things

So if I stand let me stand on the promise that you will pull me through
And if I can't, let me fall on the grace that first brought me to You
So if I sing let me sing for the joy that has born in me these songs
And if I weep let it be as a man who is longing for his home

And there's more that dances on the prairies than the wind
And more that pulses in the ocean than the tide
There's a love that's fiercer than the love between friends
More gentle than a mother's when her baby's at her side

And there's a loyalty that's deeper than mere sentiments
And a music higher than the songs that I can sing
The stuff of Earth competes for the allegence
I owe only to the Giver of all good things

So if I stand let me stand on the promise that You will pull me through
And if I can't let me fall on the grace that first brought me to You
And if I sing let me sing for the joy that has born in me these songs
And if I weep let it be as a man who is longing for his home

So if I stand let me stand on the promise You will pull me through
And if I can't let me fall on the grace that first brought me to You
And if I sing let me sing for the joy that has born in me these songs
And if I weep let it be as a man who is longing for his home

And if I weep let it be as a man who is longing for home

 

[Deade]

I have no problem with the ten commandments if people keep them as Jesus taught on the Sermon. On the mount and not as the Jews believe was taught on Mount Sinai.

Do you agree with the SDA?

Your history lesson may be interesting sidenote....but what is your stance on the Sabbath?

Do you follow the Letter or the Spirit?

I think you misunderstand those of us that keep the seventh day Sabbath. Just like you, we don't believe anything we do earns us salvation. We are saved by grace and that is a gift from God. We keep the Sabbath as our Lord and Savior did: not by the strict letter, but we delight in the Sabbath (see Isa. 58:3). We always ask ourselves who gave the Sabbath (Jesus) and when it was given (at creation). Then we deduce that Jesus doesn't change (see Heb. 13:8).

I do not side with the SDA on most issues of prophecy, and I could never belong in their church. But they did get a few things in prophecy right. I tend to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Our obedience to the law does not save us, but I believe by doing those things God gives us understanding and discernment.

 

[Ariel82]

As I stated in my OP. My issue has never been with people who keep the seventh day Sabbath.

I my issue with those who condemn others who do not keep the weekly Sabbath or who worship on Sunday.

I believe Jesus doesn't change but He does change His laws and covenant...He does give a deeper spiritual insight.


Jesus offered animal sacrifices at the Temple and had Peter fish out a golden coin to pay His temple taxes.

Jesus healed the blind, cast out demons. Jesus died upon the cross.

Jesus did many things we can't do because He is the Messiah.

In Christ we have freedom to observe or not observe feasts, festivals and Sabbaths as the Holy spirit leads us.

What we do Not have the freedom to do is to judge and condemn people based on if they keep a weekly Sabbath or not.

 

[graceNpeace]

I think you misunderstand those of us that keep the seventh day Sabbath. Just like you, we don't believe anything we do earns us salvation. We are saved by grace and that is a gift from God. We keep the Sabbath as our Lord and Savior did: not by the strict letter, but we delight in the Sabbath (see Isa. 58:3). We always ask ourselves who gave the Sabbath (Jesus) and when it was given (at creation). Then we deduce that Jesus doesn't change (see Heb. 13:8).

I do not side with the SDA on most issues of prophecy, and I could never belong in their church. But they did get a few things in prophecy right. I tend to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Our obedience to the law does not save us, but I believe by doing those things God gives us understanding and discernment.

Whatever you personal views on the matter you certainly do not speak for other Sabbatarians!
I have no idea whether you are an Adventist or not, but I can tell you this:
Another Adventist, who has just been banned, had a completely different take, and believed and bluntly stated that non-observance of the Sabbath would result in condemnation by God!
He made it very clear that Sabbath observance was not discretionary in any way.
This is consistent with Adventist theology, which for all PRACTICAL purposes, teaches that Sabbath observance is the Seal of God and that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast.
Technically, they believe that the Mark of the Beast will be applied to all who do not obey the commandments of God to the end...
Since, in Adventist theology Sabbath observance, among the other ten commandments, is so prominent, Sunday worship conveniently equals disobedience, the actual final discriminator of salvation becomes Sabbath observance!!!!!

This is most decidedly NOT salvation by grace through faith - this is purely works-salvation, and no sophistry or gloss can change this.
I will also emphasise that the banned individual also proclaimed salvation by grace through faith, he also proclaimed "sola scriptura" despite the fact that Adventist theology is all man-made fantasy concocted by the likes of Hiram Edson, Joseph Bates, Ellen G. White, and others.

Given where they are coming from, I have a hard time believing that ANY Sabbatarian is not a legalist at heart....
Perhaps, you, are that exception.
But that remains to be seen...

 

[Ariel82]

I know quite a few Messianic Jews who believe in salvation by Faith. They keep the seventh day Sabbath and the feast for cultural reasons, but they also understand and agree that Jesus taught the Spiritual reasons of keeping of the commandments. Nor do they condemn people who worship on Sunday.

Some even attend Sunday service and are active members in their church also.

I can't speak for all folks but there is good and bad folks in all denominations.

I take people based on their individual words and own behaviors.

If someone says they worship a different God than I do, I take their word for it and do not consider them my brother or sister.

In the same manner the Holy spirit allows those who truly seek God and His wisdom to recognize one another and find fellowship even if we come from different church traditions.

When we hear God's truth we recognize it as words that our Heavenly father has said to us before.

 

[graceNpeace]

I know quite a few Messianic Jews who believe in salvation by Faith. They keep the seventh day Sabbath and the feast for cultural reasons, but they also understand and agree that Jesus taught the Spiritual reasons of keeping of the commandments. Nor do they condemn people who worship on Sunday.

Some even attend Sunday service and are active members in their church also.

I can't speak for all folks but there is good and bad folks in all denominations.

I take people based on their individual words and own behaviors.

If someone says they worship a different God than I do, I take their word for it and do not consider them my brother or sister.

In the same manner the Holy spirit allows those who truly seek God and His wisdom to recognize one another and find fellowship even if we come from different church traditions.

When we hear God's truth we recognize it as words that our Heavenly father has said to us before.

None of the Messianic Jews that I know would classify as Sabbatarians.
It is true that many, most perhaps, observe the Sabbath - but, they are also the first through the doors for a Sunday service!

 

[Deade]

Whatever you personal views on the matter you certainly do not speak for other Sabbatarians!
I have no idea whether you are an Adventist or not, but I can tell you this:
Another Adventist, who has just been banned, had a completely different take, and believed and bluntly stated that non-observance of the Sabbath would result in condemnation by God!
He made it very clear that Sabbath observance was not discretionary in any way.
This is consistent with Adventist theology, which for all PRACTICAL purposes, teaches that Sabbath observance is the Seal of God and that Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast.
Technically, they believe that the Mark of the Beast will be applied to all who do not obey the commandments of God to the end...
Since, in Adventist theology Sabbath observance, among the other ten commandments, is so prominent, Sunday worship conveniently equals disobedience, the actual final discriminator of salvation becomes Sabbath observance!!!!!

This is most decidedly NOT salvation by grace through faith - this is purely works-salvation, and no sophistry or gloss can change this.
I will also emphasise that the banned individual also proclaimed salvation by grace through faith, he also proclaimed "sola scriptura" despite the fact that Adventist theology is all man-made fantasy concocted by the likes of Hiram Edson, Joseph Bates, Ellen G. White, and others.

Given where they are coming from, I have a hard time believing that ANY Sabbatarian is not a legalist at heart....
Perhaps, you, are that exception.
But that remains to be seen...

Well graceNpeace, you have never heard me speculate on another's salvation. The Spirit within me won't allow it. I understand the SDA stance on salvation and I know of other Sabbatarians that take a similar stance. I and some fellow Sabbatarians will not condemn anyone. There are plenty of others for that, and we leave them to it.

 

[Ariel82]

None of the Messianic Jews that I know would classify as Sabbatarians.
It is true that many, most perhaps, observe the Sabbath - but, they are also the first through the doors for a Sunday service!

Oh...

I guess I don't know the definition of Sabbatarians are then.

 

[graceNpeace]

Oh...

I guess I don't know the definition of Sabbatarians are then.

A Sabbatarian believes in worship on the Sabbath exclusively.
Other days are NOT satisfactory!
The issue is exclusivity.
Most Sabbatarians make it an article of faith, a test of faith if you like i.e. if you don't worship on the Sabbath then you are not a proper Christian or you are going to hell - like LGF for example!

Some Sabbatarians recognise that it is a matter of personal choice and do not judge others who are not Sabbatarians - these are in a distinct minority....

Also, I am sure that you know this but just in case: there is a massive difference between a Messianic Jew and a Hebrew Roots adherent. The first is a Jew who has become a Christian, the second is a non-Jew who believes that in order to become a Christian one needs to also be a Jew (Just like the Judaizers spoken of in Acts and Galatians).
Hebrew Roots adherents are invariably exclusive Sabbatarians...