KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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2 Thessalonians 2
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Context means nothing to most anymore....most just yank verses to hang their beliefs on....what a tragic way to peddle the word.....
 

John146

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Show us any "different truth" or "different doctrine" that is actually taught by someone not using a KJV. Alleged doctrines made up by KJV-onlyists don't stand as evidence.

Further, your exalted KJV has been shown faulty in numerous places. That you don't accept that reality makes you a rejector of the truth, and subject to the same judgment you cast so blithely on others.
This is my point. There is a difference in many doctrines as stated in the KJV compared to the new versions. You need right words to get the right doctrine.

Furthermore, not one error has been shown that hasn't been refuted. You don't accept the answers as truth, instead several cast insults. I have never insulted anyone, neither will I.

One major doctrine that is lost in the new versions is the faith of Christ. The believer is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ.
 

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One major doctrine that is lost in the new versions is the faith of Christ. The believer is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Poppycock
Balderdash
Pishposh

Read between the lines.....
Man, take a listen to yourself sometime!
 

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Context means nothing to most anymore....most just yank verses to hang their beliefs on....what a tragic way to peddle the word.....
I know the context, but a lesson that can be learned through this passage is how God can work.
 

John146

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Poppycock
Balderdash
Pishposh

Read between the lines.....
Man, take a listen to yourself sometime!
Can you post some Scripture from a new versions? I'll stand corrected if I've missed it.
 
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I know the context, but a lesson that can be learned through this passage is how God can work.
No offense, but you used this to prove a point the context does not support.....this is a particular application for a particular time frame.....
 

Dino246

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This is my point. There is a difference in many doctrines as stated in the KJV compared to the new versions. You need right words to get the right doctrine.

Furthermore, not one error has been shown that hasn't been refuted. You don't accept the answers as truth, instead several cast insults. I have never insulted anyone, neither will I.

One major doctrine that is lost in the new versions is the faith of Christ. The believer is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ.
Different is not the issue. The issue at hand is, which is correct? That cannot be proven simply by comparing one translation with another.

I don't know if you started with the KJV or not, but it sounds like you did, and therefore you compare everything to the KJV. That is poor reasoning.

As for "faith of Jesus", the rest of Scripture simply doesn't support that wording. Yes, Jesus was faithful; that is not in question. However, when Jesus spoke with the leper, the blind man, the lame man, etc., His words were not, "I have faith for you to be healed" but (in essence), "You have faith to be healed."

Similarly, in Hebrews 11, it is not the faith of Christ that is "the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" but the faith of the believer in the certainty of the promise. Jesus has seen; His is not hope, but reality.

As for refutations, if you cannot see that "he was forty-two when he became king" is not the same message as "he was twenty-two when he became king", the problem is not with anyone else's refusal to accept your convoluted explanation.
 
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I hope everyone is having a happy Easter today.:)
 
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If it's inerrant and every word is to be believed, you're still in trouble, because even if 2 Kings 8 and 2 Chronicles 22 refer to different men named Ahaziah (I don't accept that they do), you still have a contradiction because 1 Chronicles 3 only lists one.
1 Chronicles 3 is the lineage of Christ isn't it? I'm not sure, I haven't looked into that yet.
 
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There are two different Biblical traditions on numbering the years of kings.

By one method a year of a reign is numbered from 1 Abib to 29 Adar and any part of a year is numbered as a year.

By the other method a king's reign is numbered from day of accession to day of accession and only full years are counted.
Thank you very much MarcR because I was trying to create a timeline from Ahab through the third Ahaziah and it wasn't jiving at all. Your info has been a blessing to me.
 

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Thats strange.

Scriptures are useful and good for correction, but surely not the only one source of God.
This reeks of an anti-Sola Scriptura stance. Could you please elaborate? Thanks bunches.
 

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Can you post some Scripture from a new versions? I'll stand corrected if I've missed it.
Lol challenge accepted.

Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”
Galatians 2:16
 

trofimus

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This reeks of an anti-Sola Scriptura stance. Could you please elaborate? Thanks bunches.
Why?

Sola Scriptura does not mean that we do not use anything else, that we ignore church councils, synods or basic teachings, that we do not read any theological works, that we could not find God in astronomy, philosophy, logic etc.

It means that only Scriptures are the ultimate authority by which all other sources must be judged.

God is not locked in a book. Bible is a help how to recognize what is bounding and what is not. It is not a book of complete knowledge about everything.
 
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graceNpeace

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Why?

Sola Scriptura does not mean that we do not use anything else, that we ignore church councils, synods or basic teachings, that we do not read any theological works, that we could not find God in astronomy, philosophy, logic etc.

It means that only Scriptures are the ultimate authority by which all other sources must be judged.

God is not locked in a book.
No, sola scriptura does NOT mean that no other book or source can be consulted...
However, sola scriptura definitely means that no source other than Scripture is authoritative.

In other words, I read plenty of books about the Bible and theology, but I believe what is in those books ONLY if Scripture confirms their content!
Many of the books that I own are very good in this regard as the authors themselves believe in sola scriptura and so do their level best to reflect Scriptural truth as accurately as possible, however, none of them are perfect...
 

trofimus

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No, sola scriptura does NOT mean that no other book or source can be consulted...
However, sola scriptura definitely means that no source other than Scripture is authoritative.

In other words, I read plenty of books about the Bible and theology, but I believe what is in those books ONLY if Scripture confirms their content!
Many of the books that I own are very good in this regard as the authors themselves believe in sola scriptura and so do their level best to reflect Scriptural truth as accurately as possible, however, none of them are perfect...
I would say other sources can be authoritative (why not, even unbelieving kings or pharisees were supposed to be authoritative), but if it contradicts the authority of Scriptures, then Scriptures win. Like pope vs Bible in Luther´days.


Some areas are not mentioned in the Bible or are not mentioned in details.
 

graceNpeace

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I would say other sources can be authoritative (why not, even unbelieving kings or pharisees were supposed to be authoritative), but if it contradicts the authority of Scriptures, then Scriptures win. Like pope vs Bible in Luther´days.


Some areas are not mentioned in the Bible or are not mentioned in details.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make, but it seems that you are treading on unstable ground....
 

trofimus

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I have no idea what point you are trying to make, but it seems that you are treading on unstable ground....
My ground is truth. From whichever source it comes.

Bible is a measurement, a canon of theological teachings. Highest authority.

I do not know how to say it more simply.