Healing through the Son

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This is correct, Jesus healed all who came to Him. The reason for that you find in John 20, 30-31. You find this also in the apostolic age, but you dont find it After it.
How many People are attending today healing Meetings and services without getting healed? Because they lack on Faith? How many sick christians playing for healing and not getting and Yes for their request? Because lack on faith?
If it is Gods goal with us to live in earth in health condition, Why he is not healing?
I remember that many christians f.e. Living in India in from Malaria affectet aereas and getting sick and die. Because of lack on Faith?
If you would be right Ben, then every Single christian who believes in Jesus would lives free from Sickness. Because it needs Faith to believe that Jesus carried and forgiven my sins. And when I believe this, I trust him also to heal me or my Family from every deaseses.
That is NOT correct. That man did not go to Jesus to be healed. Oft times in scripture, Jesus went to the person. Imagine Lazarus going to Jesus in faith to be raised from the dead.

(I also don't believe in that apostolic age stuff either, but that is a topic for another day.)
 
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That is NOT correct. That man did not go to Jesus to be healed. Oft times in scripture, Jesus went to the person. Imagine Lazarus going to Jesus in faith to be raised from the dead.

(I also don't believe in that apostolic age stuff either, but that is a topic for another day.)
Imagine Jesus walking out to 4 thousand people who also brung the sick and lamb, it didn't they came to him. You got a one track mind

29Moving on from there, Jesus went along the Sea of Galilee. Then He went up on a mountain and sat down. 30Large crowds came to Him, bringing the lame, the blind,the crippled, the mute, and many others,and laid them at His feet, and He healed them.
 

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Imagine Jesus walking out to 4 thousand people who also brung the sick and lamb, it didn't they came to him. You got a one track mind

29Moving on from there, Jesus went along the Sea of Galilee. Then He went up on a mountain and sat down. 30Large crowds came to Him, bringing the lame, the blind,the crippled, the mute, and many others,and laid them at His feet, and He healed them.
Yeah, Jesus heals....that's not in question here. The question is does Jesus heal everyone all of the time? Is it just according to our faith? If so what about the person in a wheelchair...are you going to tell them it's their fault if they only had a enough faith then God would heal them? Just asking.
 
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Yeah, Jesus heals....that's not in question here. The question is does Jesus heal everyone all of the time? Is it just according to our faith? If so what about the person in a wheelchair...are you going to tell them it's their fault if they only had a enough faith then God would heal them? Just asking.
God is the only one who knows the amount of faith in a persons heart, ask him what is His measure of faith in a person's heart that leads to being healed.
 

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God is the only one who knows the amount of faith in a persons heart, ask him what is His measure of faith in a person's heart that leads to being healed.
Say that again one more time plainly...I don't do well with judging what someone is stating from those type of statements...

Are you saying that God heals everyone all the time based solely upon their faith and if some one is not healed it is only because they didn't have enough faith?
 
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Say that again one more time plainly...I don't do well with judging what someone is stating from those type of statements...

Are you saying that God heals everyone all the time based solely upon their faith and if some one is not healed it is only because they didn't have enough faith?
You are construeing my words, if you don't do well judging then you should not do it.
 

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LOL...How was I judging there...by asking a question?

If you don't want to answer the question then you should just say so...just saying
 
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LOL...How was I judging there...by asking a question?

If you don't want to answer the question then you should just say so...just saying
I don't have a clue, your the one who said you don't do well judging,

because I know better to try and answer a question that only God knows.
 

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I don't have a clue, your the one who said you don't do well judging,

because I know better to try and answer a question that only God knows.
Meaning I had no idea what you were talking about. I ask you a question and you didn't answer it plainly so I didn't understand your point.

This thread is about God heals everyone all the time according to their faith. Some on here think God heals everyone all the time and if not then it was because that person didn't have enough faith. Just asking if that is what you believe or not?
 
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Meaning I had no idea what you were talking about. I ask you a question and you didn't answer it plainly so I didn't understand your point.

This thread is about God heals everyone all the time according to their faith. Some on here think God heals everyone all the time and if not then it was because that person didn't have enough faith. Just asking if that is what you believe or not?
I only can say this right now, and it is how I feel right now.

[video=youtube;B6fA35Ved-Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fA35Ved-Y[/video]
 

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Yeah, ok...I listened to the song. And I'm pretty sure that is what most people believe we know God is able, but I like the lyric in the song that says...And God when you choose to leave mountains unmoveable give me the strength to sing it is well with my soul.

That's the whole point to me...We praise him in all things...
 

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That is NOT correct. That man did not go to Jesus to be healed. Oft times in scripture, Jesus went to the person. Imagine Lazarus going to Jesus in faith to be raised from the dead.

(I also don't believe in that apostolic age stuff either, but that is a topic for another day.)
I was talking not about the people where Jesus went to heal them, but about people which came to Jesus( for that I have read all verses from the gospels and acts which talking about healing) Non of them went back without healing ore casting demons out.
This is my main point. In opposite to the reality we see today and to those who claim today we can have it in the same way.
 

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Actually-Lancelot-the man was healed after Paul said with a loud voice, "Stand upright on thy feet.". Since this isn't mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15, it's not part of the gospel Paul preached.
Paul preached the gospel. The man listened and had faith for healing. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. (Rom. 10:17) How did he end up with faith for healing if Paul wasn't talking about healing when he preached the gospel? It's pretty clear that the gospel Paul preached included physical healing, so if anybody is preaching a different gospel it's people who leaving physical healing out of it.
 

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"Because of sin and separation we live in a world of death and scarcity. In our natural state we are consumed with our needs and lack. We spend our lives trying to get what we don’t have and trying to repair the damage of our estrangement. But the only cure for our brokenness is a revelation of a whole and holy God who lacks nothing and who has promised to supply all our needs out of His overflowing sufficiency."


I didn't write this but I do believe it. The cure for ALL brokenness is found in Christ who lacks nothing and who has promised to supply all our needs out of His overflowing sufficiency. And each day we come to know Him better as the Holy Spirit reveals Him to us through His Word and His witness.

I believe it has to do with wholeness. I believe it is God's will for us to be whole. Each day we are learning about what that means in our lives individually. How I (receive) this wholeness is dependent upon what I believe Jesus has promised. What have I heard from the Word of God? That is where it starts for me. A daily path to keep on seeking and believing and finding. There is a peace that comes from being whole I've discovered in each area I've already walked in and discovered it's a lifestyle to walk out on a daily basis.

Whether it be for the wholeness of a sound mind or a sound body., without any confusion or trouble but in their place the truth. The sound and solid truth Jesus brought. Because it's a fact that we have not been given a spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind. Receiving this daily.

Today I'm not walking out wholeness in all areas of my life but am willing to find out what all the promises are and then learn how to walk them all out personally by the faith He gives. Those promises are there and bought and paid for by Jesus just for me. It's about learning how to acquire these many promises by faith.

And faith comes by hearing and hearing and hearing and hearing for the rest of our lives and that's why we study the Bible on what is promised and how to receive it. Faith is becoming a way of life. And faith is not normal for the flesh but a new lifestyle by walking in the new creation in Christ. Learning how to receive these peace-full things is my daily goal.

How that shakes out individually for each person IMO depends on what they believe the promises in Jesus are., what we have read the promises are that He paid for us to have and the willingness to keep on keeping on in the faith. To try and judge another brother or sister about their faith and where they are on this faith process is foolishness. No one can know where someone's heart is but Jesus.

The capacity of learning also comes from God. (not as the world gives) Learning how to receive what the Bible already says we have. Again., hearing it and also speaking it and believing it every day. So much to learn (hear) from the Word of God and yet we have these great and precious promises to learn about and walk out by faith.
 

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One of the reasons I don't answer your questions depleted is you are disrespectful and I don't have to be your "beast of burden" I find it foolish and self abusive on my part to engage with you or anyone for that matter who is so angry and unwilling to be respectful to me as another Christian woman.

There are no "pat" answers that can be explained in one post but it takes many times of sharing to understand what someone else is saying. It takes a "willingness" to listen and hear someone out. You don't have to agree with them.

So if you are finding it bothersome and or annoying to get an answer about what others think about these very important and personal subjects we are all discussing and learning about here ., think about your approach.
 

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I believe so. By grace through faith that is how I'm learning to walk out the promises of God in Christ. Looking always to Jesus and how to interpret the Bible based on how Jesus is revealed. I've discovered this is a daily walk and learning and growing up in seeing Jesus clearer and clearer each day that never stops.

2 Cor.8:9
For you are becoming progressively acquainted with and recognizing more strongly and clearly the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ (His kindness, His gracious generosity, His undeserved favor and spiritual blessing), [in] that though He was [so very] rich, yet for your sakes He became [so very] poor, in order that by His poverty you might become enriched (abundantly supplied).

2 Cor.9:8
And God is able to make all grace (every favor and [SUP][a][/SUP]earthly blessing) come to you in abundance, so that you may always and under all circumstances and whatever the need [SUP][b][/SUP]be self-sufficient [possessing enough to require no aid or support and furnished in abundance for every good work and charitable donation].

10:3-5

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons.
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4 [/SUP]For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds,
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5 [/SUP][Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),

Applies again to this topic.
 

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Paul preached the gospel. The man listened and had faith for healing. Faith comes by hearing the Word of God. (Rom. 10:17) How did he end up with faith for healing if Paul wasn't talking about healing when he preached the gospel? It's pretty clear that the gospel Paul preached included physical healing, so if anybody is preaching a different gospel it's people who leaving physical healing out of it.

No. It's not at all clear. Whether it is Jesus, the disciples, Paul, you, me, or a Christian Indian guy in a jungle somewhere, THE primary purpose of the healing is to validate WHO Jesus is, and WHAT Jesus has done for us. Which is to die to pay our debt we owe for sin, so we can be reconciled to the Father.

You can't even use the example, like I think it was Cee used, when Jesus healed and said don't tell anybody.

Cause guess what? WE HAVE ALL BEEN HEARING ABOUT IT FOR 2000 YRS!!!

That man was healed to validate to him, others that knew him, and EVERYONE that reads or hears about him, that Jesus Christ died for their sons and rose again on the 3rd day! THAT, was the reason he was healed.

None who believe physical healing is a part of the atonement, have been able, or honest enough to answer why THEY have no faith to heal others. I have given specific people, with specific maladies, and NONE have dared pray for them, in this open forum, to heal them. Only wishy washy reasons why it doesn't work that way.
 
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No. It's not at all clear. Whether it is Jesus, the disciples, Paul, you, me, or a Christian Indian guy in a jungle somewhere, THE primary purpose of the healing is to validate WHO Jesus is, and WHAT Jesus has done for us. Which is to die to pay our debt we owe for sin, so we can be reconciled to the Father.

You can't even use the example, like I think it was Cee used, when Jesus healed and said don't tell anybody.

Cause guess what? WE HAVE ALL BEEN HEARING ABOUT IT FOR 2000 YRS!!!

That man was healed to validate to him, others that knew him, and EVERYONE that reads or hears about him, that Jesus Christ died for their sons and rose again on the 3rd day! THAT, was the reason he was healed.

None who believe physical healing is a part of the atonement, have been able, or honest enough to answer why THEY have no faith to heal others. I have given specific people, with specific maladies, and NONE have dared pray for them, in this open forum, to heal them. Only wishy washy reasons why it doesn't work that way.
Not sure why you posted that as if I said it. I didn't.
 
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Say that again one more time plainly...I don't do well with judging what someone is stating from those type of statements...

Are you saying that God heals everyone all the time based solely upon their faith and if some one is not healed it is only because they didn't have enough faith?
Yeah, kind of gave up trying to figure out what he's saying. Somehow it always comes down to "you're wrong, you misconstrued me, and you only have a one track mind so you're still wrong." Somehow he understands everyone, but no one can understand what he's saying. :rolleyes:

Not good for someone like me. I've got the patience of Jonah.