Healing through the Son

wolfwint · Apr 9, 2018

I can agree with you, we as christians should Love each other and also that we should Love God. And I know also that we can find that we are often dissapointet because christians Coming with Law, selfishness and harsh instead of with Love.
Mit when I See this Video from Dan Mohler I ask me how you Can trust him. He Shows himself as an Great actor who is playing with the Listener and manipulate them through the Way he is acting and useing bis Voice and words.
This is Show, not more. Whoever claims that God is healing all believers physical in our earthly body, is a Liar. Not because God dont can do it, but it is not in his Plan. This has nothing to do with our Faith, ore that he is not Loving us.
And again my question to all who defend Mohlers teaching. Why our Father in heaven Hide this revelation to his Children Till the Year 1995 when Mohler began his teaching? I asked this before, but I got no response.

Didymous · Apr 9, 2018

Lancelot said:

PennEd said:

I ask this out of curiosity: When you share the gospel, do you perceive whether or not those you share it with have faith to be healed, and if so, do you see them healed?

Didymous · Apr 9, 2018

Lancelot said:

PennEd said:

Didymous said:

Didymous · Apr 9, 2018

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Didymous said:

Short answer -- it's a forum coding fluke.

Long Answer -- Did you see what just happened here when I hit "Reply with Quote?" Who said that? You or Ed?

Yeah, that's a coding goof. (Possibly started by someone trying to shorten a post and playing around the the [ Quote ] thing.

It's fixable when it's noticed. I could fix this by taking out this part --

Didymous said:

Thanks for the info, Lynn, I appreciate it.

PennEd · Apr 9, 2018

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They won't. Because then the whole house of cards, built on sand, comes tumbling down, and if the person isn't healed, they will have to admit either THEY don't have faith, or God's Will is for the person not to be healed.

The exposure of the lie would be too great to risk.

BTW. I HOPE THIS POSTS AS LYNN'S TEXT. THAT IS REALLY BAD THAT POSTS ARE BEING ATTRIBUTED TO OTHER PEOPLE. I DID NOT SAY WHAT IS IN DIDYMOS POST.

Depleted · Apr 9, 2018

PennEd said:

(Multi-quote-what-in-the-world is over. lol)

I would love to know what that risk is. In most cases, those who follow WoFers are out to get the miracle. It's something like Amway in their minds. If you have X amount of people under you who believe the same thing, you're entitled to one free miracle.

And yet, the miracle isn't theirs yet. In JoanieMarie/LadyLynn's case, she's been pumping out the sales pitch for years. And yet, nada! Nothing. Nothing beyond the high of the rah-rah talk. But just like any high, the more and more you try the less and less the high. Always after that first high, and never getting it.

And, it has defeated her. She can no longer talk for herself. She can't talk to anyone. All she can do is bring up the same tried-and-didn't-work sermons she already posted, forever posting it as "clarification" for people who truly do get it's nothing beyond the babblings of someone stoned. It's senseless. Or she spends her time explain how there are two kinds of Christians -- the good ones (like her and those who agree with her) and the bad ones. (Everybody else.)

Peace has eluded her for years. Love has eluded her. God has eluded her, or, at least the real God is something she cannot imagine in her head, so she makes one she can. Worse yet, all this and life is worse for her, not better.

What is risked?

To me it's like my Dad. I watched his world shrink for years. First he stopped going to Canada to go fishing. (Ten hour drive, so his world didn't shrink all that much yet.) Then he couldn't play Bridge with others. Then he lost swimming at the Y, making dinners for Aid to Friends, and worse for him, no more going to mass.

His world shrunk even more. His bed became an evil place, because he'd wake up not knowing where he was. The TV and computer stopped being distractions, because he couldn't remember how to use them. The kitchen -- the place he loved to cook -- became foreign to him. His house became foreign to him.

And yet, that's where he had to live in his mind. But, he couldn't clear the leaves out of the gutter, couldn't clean the hot tub, couldn't mow the lawn, and couldn't paint the house anymore. And those leaves that rotted in his gutters caused black mold in the garage that held his car and boat he could no longer use.

Dad was determined to live in that house. Even when the tree fell during Storm Sandy and he had no idea my brother's old bedroom included a tree trunk, he would live in that house. (Sister solved the tree/roof issue.) That house became a biological hazard and yet Dad was determined he would die there.

He has Alzheimer, so that's why he clung to the only thing left for him to cling to. But Joan? Stones? Ben? (Okay, again. Ben is young, so he still holds out hope for health and prosperity.) The house of cards has fallen. They know this. They know they cannot answer our questions because they don't know. BUT what is the risk?

They lose a place they can call home? I don't get that with Stones, because she knows about walking out of bad places already. I don't get it for them because, frankly? It was never home!

It was a house of cards blown over by a wind.

Meanwhile, there is God! A house set on a strong foundation that will never be blown over.

What is that risk?

PennEd · Apr 9, 2018

I posted this video on the Women shouldn't Preach thread, but it's probably better suited for here. This Pastor handles the healing issue beautifully, and explains better than me how we should approach the issue. Especially in the last 10 minutes or so talking about her Mom.

[video=youtube;QI8CqtisHwE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI8CqtisHwE[/video]

joaniemarie · Apr 9, 2018

joaniemarie said:

One of the reasons I don't answer your questions depleted is you are disrespectful and I don't have to be your "beast of burden" I find it foolish and self abusive on my part to engage with you or anyone for that matter who is so angry and unwilling to be respectful to me as another Christian woman.

There are no "pat" answers that can be explained in one post but it takes many times of sharing to understand what someone else is saying. It takes a "willingness" to listen and hear someone out. You don't have to agree with them.

So if you are finding it bothersome and or annoying to get an answer about what others think about these very important and personal subjects we are all discussing and learning about here ., think about your approach.

Re posted for clarification. My ignore button will be used for the 2nd time since beginning on cc in 2012-13.

joaniemarie · Apr 9, 2018

wolfwint said:

Dan M. is only one of many preachers I listen to about healing. Too funny how you and others here know that someone is "acting" or know the hidden motives of all who believe differently than you do.

amazing. Shows me your screen for the truth is your own limited reasoning. Since you've judged me this way I'm not really shocked.

I don't agree with everything he says but I do agree with some of the things he says. God doesn't use perfect people, He uses willing people.

joaniemarie · Apr 9, 2018

PennEd said:

I can't speak for others here but I can for myself. When someone doesn't believe healing is for today., and is day in and day out here diametrically apposed to anything and everything I try to share about it in the Bible.... when they lash out in anger and misrepresent hundreds of attempts to try to reason together and share with them., then there is nothing short of the work of the Holy Spirit that can break through. And PennEd., that is not my job. My job is to pray for them.

BenFTW · Apr 9, 2018

PennEd said:

That is known as a false dilemma. Both options are unattractive and don't represent all options (specifically reasons for not being healed).

There are cases where the minister's belief is the reason another is not healed, and that is where they need to fast and pray, spend time with the Lord and address what is hindering them. Then there is the case of timing, maybe the Lord is orchestrating events so that not only will this sickness glorify Himself (through healing) but also encourage others to persevere or have faith to be healed. God didn't send this sickness, but what was made for evil God turned to good.

If we don't have the faith to pray for a person with a headache, how can we pray to raise the dead? Both are easy for the Lord, there is no level of difficulty here. The hindrance comes in my perception of things relative to how difficult I believe the case to be. My belief is the limitation, not God.

There is no lie in regards to healing and God's will. The only lie is the one that robs you of His healing.

wolfwint · Apr 9, 2018

joaniemarie said:

I do not judge you Joaniemarie. I am against teachings which deceives insteadt of telling the truth. I saw and listened D.Mohlers clip which you shared. Thats my impression from him. The problem anyway today is that people are mixing truth and lies, so that they seem right.
Why you cant answer my questions?
Is our Lord different today, as he was 2000 years ago?
Why cant we do find such a teaching in the New Testament?
If that what all the healing preachers proclaim is true, why we dont have mass an healed believers? Why we as christians still suffer under deseases? And again why we dont find this teachings in the bible. And I dont mean the gospel ( which reaches unbelievers) but the teaching for believers (the church)?

Didymous · Apr 9, 2018

wolfwint said:

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Didymous · Apr 9, 2018

Jesus came to His own people first, and most of them rejected Him. He convinced some of them by miraculous signs. The first was turning water into wine. Greater signs followed: Healing the sick, giving sight to the blind, raising the dead. In spite of ample proof that He was who He said He was, His own people rejected Him, and continued to seek more signs(more proof). For those that haven't seen yet believed, Jesus called them blessed. Why

Nehemiah6 · Apr 9, 2018

joaniemarie said:

No one has said that healing is not for today. In fact every Christian believes that God heals today, day after day.So you have just created a straw man instead of addressing the issue. The issue is whether healing is GUARANTEED in the Atonement, just as the remission of sins is guaranteed in the Atonement. And the Bible says that healing is NOT guaranteed in the Atonement. What Jesus of Nazareth did while He was on earth was unique and for a very specific purpose.

joaniemarie · Apr 9, 2018

joaniemarie said:

Jesus is the answer for all the questions that make no sense that we long to find the answers for. The videos are very clear to me as the pastor talks about not believing our flesh but instead looking beyond the flesh and seeing the truth in the Holy Spirit and the promises of God even when they totally contradict what we see through our physical senses.

I have experienced this same thing with my finances and my jobs. Because of Jesus being my righteousness., I have access to the promises. Not because of anything I've done., but because of Jesus. If we ask anything in His name.... I take it literally and it's now what I'm called to see as a new creation in Christ.

This is wonderful news to me as a Christian who was never taught this about Jesus and His righteousness given to us. Because of Jesus we are healed. Now we walk it out daily .... for life and Godliness. For all things pertaining to our lives.

Re posted to the same questions already asked and answered.

joaniemarie · Apr 9, 2018

joaniemarie said:

“I have been asking God to heal me for years. I don’t understand why He hasn’t me. I guess it’s not God’s will for me to be healed.”

If you’ve been following this short series on prayer, I’m hoping you can spot at least two things wrong with these statements. First, it is always God’s will to heal the sick just as it is always His will to save the lost. Jesus died to save us and His atonement provides for our forgiveness, healing, deliverance and provision. Second, there’s no power in asking God to do something He’s already done. As we saw in Part 1, Jesus instructed us to “heal the sick,” not “ask God to heal the sick.” And as we saw in Part 2, Jesus wants us to speak directly to our mountains.

On my journey I have discovered that there is a huge difference between the traditional view of prayer and what the Bible teaches. We have already looked at six differences. Here is one more:

Traditional: Sometimes the answer is no
Biblical: God is faithful!

Some people will tell you that God hasn’t answered your prayers because you are not doing enough works. They’ll say you’re out of fellowship with Him or you haven’t pounded the gates of heaven or you haven’t confessed all of your sins. Others will try and manage your expectations with doctrine based on their experience rather than His word. Listen to these sorts of people and I guarantee it’ll neutralize your faith.

We need to rest in Jesus’ promise that whatever we ask in His name we shall receive (Jn 14:13, 16:24). “Ask me,” says Jesus, “and I will do it” (Jn 14:14). What is the key to doing the works and greater works of Jesus? It is simple faith in Jesus Christ (Jn 14:12). But sometimes we pray and there is no immediate manifestation. The sickness lingers. Does that mean God said no? Not according to Matthew 21:22 and John 16:24. Let God be true and every man a liar! God’s faithfulness is the one constant in the equation. He is the Rock on which we stand.

Daniel famously prayed two prayers that were both answered instantly. But the manifestation of one prayer took a few minutes, while the other took three weeks (Dan 9:23, 10:12). What was the variable? Not God! In Daniel’s case there was demonic resistance to the second prayer.

One reason why our problems sometimes linger is because the enemy is challenging our authority. He wants to see how serious we are. What should we do? Should we quit? Should we ask God to take over? No. Be encouraged. The devil will flee when we resist him and we do that by submitting to God and His rock-solid promises (Jas 4:7). That sword in your hand isn’t for decorative purposes. Use it! Here’s Andrew Wommack in his book A Better Way to Pray:

“When I minister healing to someone, I’ll pray for them two, three, four, or more times. I don’t care! I’m willing to pray for them until I rub all the hair off of their head! However, I’m not going back to God and saying, ‘Father, it didn’t work the first time. Let it work now, please!’ No! I believe it happened because God is faithful. He gave, but something’s wrong with our receiver. So I work on it. If the devil withstands one dose of the Holy Spirit, I’ll shoot him again! Just like Jesus did with the blind man of Bethsaida (Mark 8:22-26), I pray until I see the answer manifest. You need to get this attitude that God is faithful and He’s already met your need before you ever had it.” (p.125)

Understand that we’re not fighting to get the victory; we’re fighting to enforce the victory that Christ has already won. Satan and sickness were disarmed at the cross (Col 2:15). That’s why we’re called to stand rather than advance (Eph 6:13). We’re not taking ground, we’re holdingground that’s already ours through Christ. So stand firm and declare God’s word over your circumstances. Your tongue holds the power of life and death (Pro 18:21), so proclaim life and grace and health and freedom over your situation.

This taken from Paul Ellis and I agree with him. If I surround myself with unbelief I will not be "thinking on these things" We are told to hold to the truth. I'd encourage anyone who is not finding answers to think differently about what you have been taught about healing. Dare to step out in faith. I can only share what has been true for me and Jesus has healed me and IS healing me each day. And He will you too.

Amen. Questions asked and answered already

Didymous · Apr 10, 2018

Lancelot wouldn't answer my questions, JoanieMarie, and since you liked his post-maybe you'd care to answer them? He said Paul's Gospel included healing. Do you agree with his statement? if not, then what part of his post did you like? Anyone?

joaniemarie · Apr 10, 2018

Didymous said:

I don't think people are on line or on cc all day and night so that when a question is asked they rush to answer. People come and go here all the time so saying Lancelot "wouldn't" answer your question is a bit drastic don't you think? Not only that., consider the fact no one HAS to answer questions here. We come here "willingly" and we ask and answer questions of our own free will.

Didymous · Apr 10, 2018

You brought up the idea of "has" to answer not I. Seems a little antagonistic, or maybe just unwilling because unable, I'd guess. It's OK, I understand that actual answers to questions isn't something you do. Maybe you could put up a Joseph Prince video or someone else like that.

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