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NoNameMcgee

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A "few words" ? You must be seeing something different on your screen than I am seeing on mine. Nonamemcgee has enlarged the size of "many words" and they have appeared on screen "much larger" than anything anyone else is posting. To reprimand a person for placing large words on the screen and then say nothing to the person placing by far the largest words on the screen, clearly demonstrates some sort of bias.

And, as far as truth goes, nonamemcgee has placed untruths on the pages as well. Calling anyone that disagrees with him as one who is pushing false gospel. And also referring to Revelation 22:18-22:19 as some sort of "banter" when those verses were given to him. If you don't like what "incognito" is saying then why not simply say so ? There is no need to reprimand her for posting large print, when it is obvious others are posting much larger print. That is simply very inconsistent.

more empty claims and accusations



im trying to spread truth

if i have spoken an "untruth"

and you show me

i wont be offended regardless of what you highlight

or if youre stern and direct


i want a lie to be called a lie


what i have called "false" or "lies" from you

is that a born again child of God can end up in the lake of fire

i believe that to be a lie

a "false gospel"


if i hated you

i could let you go on in your deception without saying a word


but i want to help

so i tried to use scripture to help you see that once youre rooted in Christ

and made new

youre saved (eternal security)


you can show me why you dont believe this and we can have a back and forth



but if you actually paid attention to the posts

i tried to be as gentle as possible with incog....

for many many posts

we were very light hearted until false accusations were being thrown at my brothers (just like you have done)
 
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NoNameMcgee

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anyways

to both LD

and incog


if i have offended you because the way i highlighted my letters im sorry

or if it was because of my attitude


but i believe everything i have said to be true regarding the gospel to both of you


and if you want to have a back and forth in a calm and civil manner

one verse at a time in context

im ready

and id love that
 
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NoNameMcgee

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everyone

guilty of even 1 sin
is going to hell

this is just


but God is not only just

He is loving
and has an abundance of mercy

when Jesus died on the cross
this was a sacrifice in which
He payed for every sin of the WHOLE world....

so that those who believe on Him can be seen as sinless as He is


those who are born again

are adopted children

every single sin is covered by the blood of Jesus
(all glory goes to Him)

and we who have sinned but been born again

will have the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ

our Lord and savior

we are justified by His righteousness

Romans 5:19

“For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”


praise God



Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

The will of the Father

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
These men believe in their "wonderful works" to save them... not Jesus

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

these are boasting of works because they have not submitted to His righteousness they will still have the sins they commit to answer for

He never knew them... this isnt they had and lost



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will of the Father?


40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day



i hope this isnt too long winded my friend


romans 9

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Romans 10
10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth





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one last bump

i need to go
this is a simplified view of my stance regarding salvation



there is no such thing as an eternal salvation that stops and starts again according to your works


you are either saved (by grace through faith and not of works)


or you arent saved at all



once you are saved

....

youre saved
this cannot be undone

1 peter

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
 
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loyaldisciple

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more empty claims and accusations



im trying to spread truth

if i have spoken an "untruth"

and you show me

i wont be offended regardless of what you highlight

or if youre stern and direct


i want a lie to be called a lie


what i have called "false" or "lies" from you

is that a born again child of God can end up in the lake of fire

i believe that to be a lie

a "false gospel"


if i hated you

i could let you go on in your deception without saying a word


but i want to help

so i tried to use scripture to help you see that once youre rooted in Christ

and made new

youre saved (eternal security)


you can show me why you dont believe this and we can have a back and forth



but if you actually paid attention to the posts

i tried to be as gentle as possible with incog....

for many many posts

we were very light hearted until false accusations were being thrown at my brothers (just like you have done)
So, let me ask you a question. Say a man is saved and has been a preacher for 30 years. Then he decides he is an Atheist and begins to preach Atheism. Now, do you think that man has fallen from grace OR do you believe he is still saved while he is preaching and believing in Atheism ? Think about it. This is where God can remove a man's name from the book of life, hence REVELATION 22:18-22:19. So you contend the man now preaching Atheism to the world is still saved ?
 

TruthTalk

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I wanted to say "bugger" but was a bit worried it may upset some.

Bummer I've just said bugger:cool:
Yes words have different meanings from country to country, my wife has some doozies from her country that I cannot repeat on a family forum but they are very funny,

And Happy Birthday Bill
 
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you deleted the line where i called you out for falsely accusing my brothers and sisters in Christ



John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Sorry! Satan TRIED to prevent posting!

GOD did NOT "love the [unrighteous] world that HE gave HIS only begotten Son" (John 3:16)!

JESUS SAID in John 17:9 "I pray for them: I pray NOT for THE WORLD, but FOR THEM WHICH THOU HAST GIVEN ME; for they are thine."

Your VICEGERENT taught you GOD LOVES UNRIGHTEOUSNESS when GOD SPOKE Proverbs 6:16-19 saying "HE HATES!"

Pertaining to your "dear friends" READ I Corinthians 10:21!
 

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Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING for him.

Romans 8:24-25 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But IF WE HOPE FOR WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE YET we wait for it patiently.

2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For WHAT IS SEEN IS TEMPORARY, but WHAT IS UNSEEN IS ETERNAL.

THERE ARE SOME ON THIS FORUM WHO CLAIM TO HAVE ALREADY POSSESSED ETERNAL SALVATION. DO THEY NO LONGER WAIT FOR THE LORD TO BRING THEM SALVATION SINCE THEY ALREADY POSSESS IT? ARE THEY NOT GOING TO FACE JUDGMENT ANYMORE?

Philippians 3:12-16 NOT that I have already OBTAINED all this, or have ALREADY BEEN MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward THE GOAL to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are MATURE should take such a view of things. And if on some point YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have ALREADY ATTAINED.

1 Peter 1:9 for you are receiving THE GOAL OF YOUR FAITH, the SALVATION of your souls.


SALVATION IS THE GOAL OF THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM, THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.

OSAS IS A FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES THE WORD OF GOD.

Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then YOU NO LONGER LET HIM DO ANYTHING for his father or mother. THUS YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. AND YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.”


JESUS SAID;

“If you love me, you will obey what I command.” john 14:15


…” If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”matthew 19:17


“ Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.” john 14:21-24


THIS FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE TEACHES THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS JUST A WORK THAT MAN CAN DO BUT HAVE NO PART, NEITHER ESSENTIAL NOR NECESSARY FOR SALVATION WHICH CONTRADICTS THE FF:

Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM.

A QUOTE FROM ElAmor’s POST

2 John 1:4-11 It has given me great joy to find some of your children WALKING IN THE TRUTH, just as the Father COMMANDED US. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had FROM THE BEGINNING. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. Many DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as COMING IN THE FLESH, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the DECEIVER and the ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE in the TEACHING OF CHRIST does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him SHARES IN HIS WICKED WORK.

Who are those RUNNING AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST?

They are those who CLAIM SALVATION is by Faith ALONE and ONCE SAVED they are ALWAYS SAVED therefore rejecting God’s Laws and commands which are in fact God’s own words. says that even obedience to God cannot save anyone because they are works and Faith ALONE saves.

Who then is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST?

They are those who do not continue in the teaching about WALKING IN LOVE which is WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. Who do not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh by the mere fact that they reject the LAW that prophesied about Jesus as coming in the flesh.

1 John 2:1-6 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. THE MAN WHO SAYS, “I KNOW HIM,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID.””””””””



WE ARE TO WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION NOT AS INDIVIDUALS WORKING FOR HIS OWN SALVATION BUT AS ONE BODY IN CHRIST(eph 4:1-16) WORKING AS GOOD AND FAITHFUL SERVANTS OF GOD(mat 25:14-30) WHO ARE LIVING ACCORDING TO THE SPIRIT AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE.(rom 8:1-17) WE HONOR AND GLORIFY GOD BY THESE WORKS OF LOVE, FAITH AND OBEDIENCE THAT BEARS GOOD FRUITS THAT WILL LAST..(john 15:6-17)

Luke 3:9 the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”


1 Peter 1:3-7 Praise to God for a living hope Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a LIVING HOPE through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the SALVATION THAT IS READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME. In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be PROVED GENUINE and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.


2 Peter 1:5-11 For this very reason, make every effort to ADD TO YOUR FAITH goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being INEFFECTIVE and UNPRODUCTIVE in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and BLIND, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his PAST SINS. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Galatians 6:7-8 DO NOT BE DECEIVED, GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from
God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.

“DEAD FAITH CANNOT SAVE” ))james 2:14-26)


“LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR” rom 3:4
 
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Look at this guy, only 4 days since he joined and he is already hurling insults.




Matthew 5:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
"Without a cause?"

"For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I HATE them, O LORD, that HATE THEE? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against THEE? I HATE them with PERFECT HATRED: I count them mine enemies. Search me, O GOD, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting" (Psalm 139:20-24).

Blessings :)
 
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NoNameMcgee

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So, let me ask you a question. Say a man is saved and has been a preacher for 30 years. Then he decides he is an Atheist and begins to preach Atheism. Now, do you think that man has fallen from grace OR do you believe he is still saved while he is preaching and believing in Atheism ?
genuine faith in Christ

leads to being born again
it doesnt matter if he was a preacher or a drunk

to become an athiest would mean he never got a new spirit that testifies of the truth to begin with

(not genuine faith.... the same way i cannot say i dont believe i was born... i also cannot say i dont believe i was born again my spirit testifies of the truth and it is impossible to become athiest)

he would either be a reprobate at that point (forsaking knowledge .... not faith)

or
one of those we (born again believers) are not of

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

one of those who was not of us

1 john 2

19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.





This is where God can remove a man's name from the book of life,
wrong

your name will be removed with even ONE sin on your account


Exodus 32:32
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book

(upon judgement if you have even 1 sin on your account your name will be blotted out....... this isnt for some people this is for EVERY single man)


Revelation 3:5

“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”


(to be covered from EVERY SINGLE SIN we have done we must overcome....and our name will not be blotted out)


1 john 5


4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
 
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Gracie_14

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genuine faith in Christ

leads to being born again
it doesnt matter if he was a preacher or a drunk

to become an athiest would mean he never got a new spirit that testifies of the truth to begin with

(not genuine faith.... the same way i cannot say i dont believe i was born... i also cannot say i dont believe i was born again my spirit testifies of the truth and it is impossible to become athiest)

he would either be a reprobate at that point (forsaking knowledge .... not faith)

or
one of those we (born again believers) are not of

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

one of those who was not of us

1 john 2

19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.







wrong

your name will be removed with even ONE sin on your account


Exodus 32:32
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book

(upon judgement if you have even 1 sin on your account your name will be blotted out....... this isnt for some people this is for EVERY single man)


Revelation 3:5

“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”


(to be covered from EVERY SINGLE SIN we have done we must overcome....and our name will not be blotted out)


1 john 5


4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
this is obviously common sense. and easy to understand…its such a shame to see the ignorance in accepting the truth.
 
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loyaldisciple

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genuine faith in Christ

leads to being born again
it doesnt matter if he was a preacher or a drunk

to become an athiest would mean he never got a new spirit that testifies of the truth to begin with

(not genuine faith.... the same way i cannot say i dont believe i was born... i also cannot say i dont believe i was born again my spirit testifies of the truth and it is impossible to become athiest)

he would either be a reprobate at that point (forsaking knowledge .... not faith)

or
one of those we (born again believers) are not of

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

one of those who was not of us

1 john 2

19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.







wrong

your name will be removed with even ONE sin on your account


Exodus 32:32
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book

(upon judgement if you have even 1 sin on your account your name will be blotted out....... this isnt for some people this is for EVERY single man)


Revelation 3:5

“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”


(to be covered from EVERY SINGLE SIN we have done we must overcome....and our name will not be blotted out)


1 john 5


4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
I don't see where you answered my question. My question was "if the man was saved and preached the gospel of Jesus for 30 years, and then became an Atheist and began preaching that to the world, IS HE STILL SAVED ? That is the question.

All that is required to answer that question is a "yes" or a "no".
 
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this is obviously common sense. and easy to understand…its such a shame to see the ignorance in accepting the truth.
hahaha

believe it or not it wasnt too long ago i was a sinless perfectionist

God provides the growth

and without the Holy spirit helping you along the way

it is actually veeeeeery easy to decieve yourself

it didnt matter i went completely through the bible many times

i was still in error


it wasnt until God broke that false doctrine from me that the scriptures all opened up in a whole new way

and flowed in perfect harmony

i spent many nights crying

begging to be delivered from itching ears

i didnt care if i looked like a fool to everyone. i argued with or called a sinner or pointed in the wrong direction

i just wanted truth


i wanted God to show me what HE wanted me to see...

annnnnnd

He has been correcting me step by step ever since


13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


praise God for opening my darkened eyes

(yours too young Gracie ;) )
 
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I knew when that Bible Discussion site shut down, the trolls would be alive and well on this site.
What a shame.
You are oh so correct Star, and thank you for your message.

If we are being falsely accused, or repeatedly insulted, over and over about our faith, its probably a "troll." They are the dregs of the Internet, the lowest of the low. With the help of God and our wonderful moderator's maybe one day we can eradicate this infestation and return to a more peaceful time. If you suspect you are being deceived by a troll, you probably are.

In Internet Slang, a "troll" is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement.

 
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I don't see where you answered my question. My question was "if the man was saved and preached the gospel of Jesus for 30 years, and then became an Atheist and began preaching that to the world, IS HE STILL SAVED ? That is the question.

All that is required to answer that question is a "yes" or a "no".

the answer is he wasnt saved

you cannot be saved and not have a new heart and spirit


you might as well ask "can God make a rock so big even HE cant lift it"


thats crazy talk


one of those we (we as in born again believers) are not of

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

one of those who was not of us

1 john 2

19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
 
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Gracie_14

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hahaha

believe it or not it wasnt too long ago i was a sinless perfectionist

God provides the growth

and without the Holy spirit helping you along the way

it is actually veeeeeery easy to decieve yourself

it didnt matter i went completely through the bible many times

i was still in error


it wasnt until God broke that false doctrine from me that the scriptures all opened up in a whole new way

and flowed in perfect harmony

i spent many nights crying

begging to be delivered from itching ears

i didnt care if i looked like a fool to everyone. i argued with or called a sinner or pointed in the wrong direction

i just wanted truth


i wanted God to show me what HE wanted to see...

annnnnnd

He has been correcting me step by step ever since


13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


praise God for opening my darkened eyes

(yours too young Gracie ;) )
no matter how many times i have heard your testimony in a way…it is always refreshing to see the transformation that God did in the perfectionist mindset.

this is really touching to the heart :)
 
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loyaldisciple

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the answer is he wasnt saved

you cannot be saved and not have a new heart and spirit


you might as well ask "can God make a rock so big even HE cant lift it"


thats crazy talk


one of those we (we as in born again believers) are not of

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

one of those who was not of us

1 john 2

19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Your answer does not follow the parameters of the question. The question begins with the man definitely being saved. He is definitely saved in the beginning, believing in every word of the Bible and worshiping God. Then, something occurs in his life, he allows the devil to deceive him and by his own free will he stops believing in God and becomes an Atheist. IS HE STILL SAVED at that point is the question ? You are not asking the question, I am, so you cannot change the beginning to suit your preference. He certainly is saved in the beginning, now is he still saved after he voluntarily turned his back on God in favor of Atheism ?

My belief is that GOD will let one walk out His door just as quickly as He will let one walk in His door. Do you believe GOD doesn't allow the man that "free will" ?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Your answer does not follow the parameters of the question. The question begins with the man definitely being saved. He is definitely saved in the beginning, believing in every word of the Bible and worshiping God. Then, something occurs in his life, he allows the devil to deceive him and by his own free will he stops believing in God and becomes an Atheist. IS HE STILL SAVED at that point is the question ? You are not asking the question, I am, so you cannot change the beginning to suit your preference. He certainly is saved in the beginning, now is he still saved after he voluntarily turned his back on God in favor of Atheism ?
logical fallacies are not questions.....

they are strawmen arguments in the form of a question


he WAS not saved

because he DID not have faith

if he HAD a genuine faith

it is followed by a new heart and spirit from God


this isnt a powerless meaningless thing

if you are born again
you KNOW by your quickened spirit you have been made new


it is impossible to become an athiest
 

becc

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I don't see where you answered my question. My question was "if the man was saved and preached the gospel of Jesus for 30 years, and then became an Atheist and began preaching that to the world, IS HE STILL SAVED ? That is the question.

All that is required to answer that question is a "yes" or a "no".
Just some random kid popping by... no beed to mind me but i kinda agree with no name here..... he was saved and preached the gospel for 30 years and eventually becomes an atheist. I don't4 think he was saved in the first place as noname said cuz for someone to be "saved" and "preach the gospel' for "30" years needs a lot of conviction to believe that God doesn't exist and wheter or not there were some convincing facts.. to renounce God after all that means he wasn't saved at all... except we are not getting your definition of saved.
For him to have gone 30 years of preaching even when knowing what he will face... infact.... to renounce God after all that struggle means he never believed at all.... he was just deceiving himself and others.
Like i said... some random kid popping in.. no need to mind me
 
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NoNameMcgee

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logical fallacies are not questions.....

they are strawmen arguments in the form of a question


he WAS not saved

because he DID not have faith

if he HAD a genuine faith

it is followed by a new heart and spirit from God


this isnt a powerless meaningless thing

if you are born again
you KNOW by your quickened spirit you have been made new


it is impossible to become an athiest

the made up hypothetical man you are wrongly assuming was saved

would have been described with these verses (i posted already)


one of those we (we as in born again believers) are not of

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

one of those who was not of us

1 john 2

19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.



not of us

or
given the fact he became an athiest

he never had a genuine faith (like those who were not born again)

but had knowledge and turned from it

romans 1

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,



mentally accepting the fact He is who He says


is not the same as believing ON HIS NAME

having faith IN HIM