Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[graceNpeace]

Clear enough no I don't think so, the Ten Commandments are related to one another the outline a vision for community in concrete practical terms. They don't address every situation in detail they are, after all, just ten brief statements, but they point the way to living together in healthy community.


are you released not held accountable for cheating on a spouse, NO.

are you released to murder freely, NO

can you have more than one God, NO

can you bare false witness, NO

Can you dishonor your parents, NO

clear enough to me.

Stop referring to the TEN commandments - they are part of the Torah, which have been abrogated as part of a covenant (Sinaitic covenant) to which New covenant believers are not a part.
However the New covenant confirms that there are commandments that are a part of its ethic and they correspond to NINE of the TEN commandments with the conspicuous exception being the command to observe the Sabbath.

This distinction is not an exercise in straining gnats.
A huge amount of heretical doctrines (very evident on this forum) claim that all, or part of the Torah is still binding on New covenant believers, however this cannot be since it is impossible to separate the Torah from the Sinaitic covenant.
By definition New covenant believers are not party to the Sinaitic covenant.

Even a casual overview of the NT shows that New covenant believers are not bereft of ethical and moral imperative but the emphasis is so completely different.
Obedience to the Torah was the fundamental mark of one who was party to the Sinatic covenant!
However New covenant believers are party to the New covenant exclusively by grace through faith.
The moral and ethical imperatives found that are binding on New covenant believers do not form the entrance-way to the New covenant in the way that observance of the Torah forms the entrance-way to the Sinaitic covenant.

The highest expression of the ethic that New covenant believers are to follow is found in Gal 5:22-23, also known as the fruit of the Spirit - and it ends in this way: "Against such there is no law." Gal 5:23
The reason why?
It is impossible to legislate love!

The key point to appreciate is that any moral or ethical command to the New covenant believer is consequent on one ALREADY being a New covenant believer, not a pass/fail test for entrance, and not a pass/fail test for remaining in the covenant.
Our behaviour as New covenant believers cannot be legislated since it is based on love.
Consider 1 John 4:19 "We love Him because He first loved us."

To those who believe that they can behave in any way that want to as New covenant believers because we are not under the Torah, entirely miss the point that our adherence to the ethics and morality of the New covenant is not at all based on legislation but on relationship, a love relationship with God!

I get that I have addressed issues broader than those than those addressed in your post, but I felt that a broad foundation was the best way to give the answer...

 

[LPT]

There's 10 commands, not 200 plus commands.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

 

[graceNpeace]

There's 10 commands, not 200 plus commands.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.

There is NO NT imperative to observe the Sabbath - see my post above...

 

[LPT]

Stop referring to the TEN commandments - they are part of the Torah, which have been abrogated as part of a covenant (Sinaitic covenant) to which New covenant believers are not a part.
However the New covenant confirms that there are commandments that are a part of its ethic and they correspond to NINE of the TEN commandments with the conspicuous exception being the command to observe the Sabbath.

This distinction is not an exercise in straining gnats.
A huge amount of heretical doctrines (very evident on this forum) claim that all, or part of the Torah is still binding on New covenant believers, however this cannot be since it is impossible to separate the Torah from the Sinaitic covenant.
By definition New covenant believers are not party to the Sinaitic covenant.

Even a casual overview of the NT shows that New covenant believers are not bereft of ethical and moral imperative but the emphasis is so completely different.
Obedience to the Torah was the fundamental mark of one who was party to the Sinatic covenant!
However New covenant believers are party to the New covenant exclusively by grace through faith.
The moral and ethical imperatives found that are binding on New covenant believers do not form the entrance-way to the New covenant in the way that observance of the Torah forms the entrance-way to the Sinaitic covenant.

The highest expression of the ethic that New covenant believers are to follow is found in Gal 5:22-23, also known as the fruit of the Spirit - and it ends in this way: "Against such there is no law." Gal 5:23
The reason why?
It is impossible to legislate love!

The key point to appreciate is that any moral or ethical command to the New covenant believer is consequent on one ALREADY being a New covenant believer, not a pass/fail test for entrance, and not a pass/fail test for remaining in the covenant.
Our behaviour as New covenant believers cannot be legislated since it is based on love.
Consider 1 John 4:19 "We love Him because He first loved us."

To those who believe that they can believe in any way that want to as New covenant believers because we are not under the Torah, entirely miss the point that our adherence to the ethics and morality of the New covenant is not at all based on legislation but on relationship, a love relationship with God!

I get that I have addressed issues broader than those than those addressed in your post, but I felt that a broad foundation was the best way to give the answer...

If you will stop disregarding the Ten Commandments like Jesus tossed them over board or something, show one were Jesus said I have come to abolish the law.

 

[graceNpeace]

If you will stop disregarding the Ten Commandments like Jesus tossed them over board or something, show one were Jesus said I have come to abolish the law.

Did you even bother to read my post?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thats is exactly why Jesus did what he did, because us humans are fallible and are not perfect, but you can't go around killing people, cheating on a spouse and so on and have a mind set of all I have to do is ask forgiveness and everything is A ok. I am sorry to say it doesn't work like that at all.

Your right, but if you think you can follow the law and by doing that you will not do those things you are in danger, saul thought he followed the law, yet killed many,

you do those things by following the law of love,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who said anyone had to be perfect??? But Jesus never said to throw out the commandments they didn't matter anymore....We have forgiveness under his blood when we fall short, but that doesn't mean you can just disregard the commandments of God. That means to me if you slip then you repent.

I don't even get what is so hard about the ten commandments anyhow. Just seems like common courtesy to me.

the law does.

Moses said all people had to confirm and obey every letter of the law

paul said whoever does not obey ever word is under a curse

james said if we obey ever letter, yet fail in one point, we are guilty.


Paul said if your going to follow one point, your indebted to follow it all.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's not impossible with the holy spirit.

I am able [to do] all [things] by the one who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13​

If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us

 

[LPT]

There is NO NT imperative to observe the Sabbath - see my post above...

Yes it is Jesus observed it often did he every sabbath no but He did observe it, like wise you can't phycically work seven days a week for ever, like wise you can't go for ever without having communion with others about God. yea you can miss a few sermons. the law in the OT, if you miss it once you broke the law and your done. that was how it was in the OT you didn't get a thousand chances to straight up nor really do we get a thousand chances to straight up today why because it still stands, and Jesus is forgiving and understanding, patience. But even his patience forgiving understanding has limits.

 

[LPT]

Your right, but if you think you can follow the law and by doing that you will not do those things you are in danger, saul thought he followed the law, yet killed many,

you do those things by following the law of love,

And there is just as equal danger of not following the law as well.

 

[LPT]

Did you even bother to read my post?

yes I read the ones to me, and because I have doesn't mean I'm going to agree with you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And there is just as equal danger of not following the law as well.

Your wrong, if i am following the law of love i will obey the law and all commands.

If i follow the law, at the least i will be self rightious, and most likely commit many sins we do not even know we are commiting, because we are focused on the law and not what real sin is

 

[LPT]

Your wrong, if i am following the law of love i will obey the law and all commands.

If i follow the law, at the least i will be self rightious, and most likely commit many sins we do not even know we are commiting, because we are focused on the law and not what real sin is

yes and you follow the law of love by loving other people and not killing them.

the ten are enough there is no need to follow all 613 OT laws no one can do it. That's the whole point. but There are still laws that stand the ones God has given will always stand.

i mean if you had a monthly cycle like women do would you want to be outside in a barn for a week no I wouldn't neither would the woman that is a example of loving others as yourself.

 

[LPT]

I would be surprised if there was a person on this earth today that knows all 600 + OT laws by heart. I doubt it could be but I doubt it.

 

[1ofthem]

the law does.

Moses said all people had to confirm and obey every letter of the law

paul said whoever does not obey ever word is under a curse

james said if we obey ever letter, yet fail in one point, we are guilty.


Paul said if your going to follow one point, your indebted to follow it all.

I'm only talking about the 10 commandments because they are covered by the two commandments that Jesus gave. If we do what he commanded we will be following the commandments.

I think Paul was talking about circumcision so no that is not covered under the commandments of Jesus and neither is feasts and sacrifices and such.

So no I'm not saying we have to follow the law.

However, the 10 commandments are still included and covered by Jesus' commandments. So we can call them what ever we want (Law or just 10 commandments) but we can't just disregard them. Because if we follow the Commandment to Love God and Love others we will keep them. Now circumcision, feasts, sacrifices all that is done away with it doesn't fit under Jesus' commandments.

 

[LPT]

I'm only talking about the 10 commandments because they are covered by the two commandments that Jesus gave. If we do what he commanded we will be following the commandments.

I think Paul was talking about circumcision so no that is not covered under the commandments of Jesus and neither is feasts and sacrifices and such.

So no I'm not saying we have to follow the law.

However, the 10 commandments are still included and covered by Jesus' commandments. So we can call them what ever we want (Law or just 10 commandments) but we can't just disregard them. Because if we follow the Commandment to Love God and Love others we will keep them. Now circumcision, feasts, sacrifices all that is done away with it doesn't fit under Jesus' commandments.

I don't know maybe keep the law for women to be outside during that cycle time, hahaha jk Hun bun...

 

[1ofthem]

I don't know maybe keep the law for women to be outside during that cycle time, hahaha jk Hun bun...

That's not even funny, honey....Well, maybe just a little bit...lol

 

[Jackson123]

Keeping the law is not for salvation, but it is product of salvation.

If a branch abide in the Vine, it will bear fruit.

Branch can not bear fruit of itself. It mean impossible keeping the law make us save, but the sign of salvation is keeping the law, or bear fruit. I believe it is a process, the fruit may not perfect and mature over night.

 

[LPT]

That's not even funny, honey....Well, maybe just a little bit...lol

hehehe, you know it was, lol

Ill make sure to build a nice cozy retreat for ya. You'll have all the living comforts as if you were in the house I promise. lol

 

[1ofthem]

hehehe, you know it was, lol

Ill make sure to build a nice cozy retreat for ya. You'll have all the living comforts as if you were in the house I promise. lol

Wow, sounds nice... So now I guess I can keep that Law in comfort and easy like...lol JK