Do We Have To Keep The Law?

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posthuman said:
does a Christian have a "last" breath ?
and if they went out from us, were they every really one of us? :)

there's 'nominal' Christianity and there's actual Christianity. it may not be an easy thing to tell the difference
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Good question physically people will have a last breath because of sin that entered the world and that hasn't been wiped away abolished the way of forgiveness salvation has been forfilled on the cross but it doesn't mean people will stop dying.

As far as they went out from us, you tell me was judas one of them the chosen twelve?
 
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It's possible judas was being tempted by satan but failed to ask for help, and thought he could handle satan by himself thus wound up having satan enter him.

Like that old saying I can quite any time I want I'm not a addict.
 
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jaybird88 said:
i dont think any of us believed a little wooden sign would make us righteous. we put them up because we were proud to obey them.
i would think the majority of those that came to Christ did it by following what those laws teach. lawless people usually want nothing to do with Jesus.
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You may be proud to obey them, but the person on the street who did not understand god was offended by them

as jesus said, I did not come to judge but to save that which was lost. Its time we give people the good news of jesus, then to judge them and lose them before you were even able to witness to them
 
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Good question physically people will have a last breath because of sin that entered the world and that hasn't been wiped away abolished the way of forgiveness salvation has been forfilled on the cross but it doesn't mean people will stop dying.

As far as they went out from us, you tell me was judas one of them the chosen twelve?
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that's a good question too :)

at what point do you reckon Jesus knew who Judas was and what Judas would do?
was there ever a time He was ignorant of anything about Judas?

i figure: He's God; those are silly questions. but still He chose Judas to be numbered among them. i don't see Judas as someone who had salvation and lost it. He's someone who saw Salvation face to face, and rejected Him.

 
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It's possible judas was being tempted by satan but failed to ask for help, and thought he could handle satan by himself thus wound up having satan enter him.

Like that old saying I can quite any time I want I'm not a addict.
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it's interesting that while there are plenty of examples of people being demon-possessed, there's only one man in the Bible of whom it's said Satan entered into, himself.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You may be proud to obey them, but the person on the street who did not understand god was offended by them

as jesus said, I did not come to judge but to save that which was lost. Its time we give people the good news of jesus, then to judge them and lose them before you were even able to witness to them
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what kind of person is offended by not murdering people?
 
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posthuman said:
it's interesting that while there are plenty of examples of people being demon-possessed, there's only one man in the Bible of whom it's said Satan entered into, himself.
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i agree but how does a person become demon possessed I find it hard to believe a person can be a unwillingly partaker, I think they had to do something for such a thing to happen. maybe the example of seven demons coming back can be a answer.
 
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posthuman said:
that's a good question too :)

at what point do you reckon Jesus knew who Judas was and what Judas would do?
was there ever a time He was ignorant of anything about Judas?

i figure: He's God; those are silly questions. but still He chose Judas to be numbered among them. i don't see Judas as someone who had salvation and lost it. He's someone who saw Salvation face to face, and rejected Him.

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Well there is a example, that is when the woman who touched his garment did Jesus know who it was that touched his garment?
 
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Well there is a example, that is when the woman who touched his garment did Jesus know who it was that touched his garment?
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Did YHVH know where Adam was in the garden when He asked? :)
 
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posthuman said:
that's a good question too :)

at what point do you reckon Jesus knew who Judas was and what Judas would do?
was there ever a time He was ignorant of anything about Judas?

i figure: He's God; those are silly questions. but still He chose Judas to be numbered among them. i don't see Judas as someone who had salvation and lost it. He's someone who saw Salvation face to face, and rejected Him.
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Amen! In John 13:18, Jesus said - I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, 'He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.'

Judas was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11).
 
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Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
 
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Yes it true Jesus doesn't know everything of what God is up to. they are three that work as one but are seperate.
 
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And I like this little statement at the end and does got questions know Jesus knows now, does scripture say so or is this just a theory of got questions, I'll tell you the truth it is just theory that Jesus knows in heaven, scriptures doesn't support such a statement at all.

Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28-29; 10:30; 12:49; 14:28, 31; and Matthew 26:39, 42demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see Philippians 2:5-11).

Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

and how does anyone know Jesus gave up the rights, just more jibber jabber.
 
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And I like this little statement at the end and does got questions know Jesus knows now, does scripture say so or is this just a theory of got questions, I'll tell you the truth it is just theory that Jesus knows in heaven, scriptures doesn't support such a statement at all.

Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28-29; 10:30; 12:49; 14:28, 31; and Matthew 26:39, 42demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see Philippians 2:5-11).

Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

and how does anyone know Jesus gave up the rights, just more jibber jabber.
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It sounds like your mind is already made up. So what’s your angle?

https://carm.org/if-jesus-god-why-did-he-not-know-hour-his-return
 
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Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
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Yes, this was said while Jesus was on earth and BEFORE His resurrection. But after His resurrection He told us that all power in Heaven and on earth had bee given to Him. Which would imply that He also had full knowledge of His return when He ascended up to Heaven. We need to (a) keep Scripture in context and (b) apply all Bible truth to our beliefs. We are told that now "In Him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily". Then how would He not know NOW as to when He will return?
 
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Yes, this was said while Jesus was on earth and BEFORE His resurrection. But after His resurrection He told us that all power in Heaven and on earth had bee given to Him. Which would imply that He also had full knowledge of His return when He ascended up to Heaven. We need to (a) keep Scripture in context and (b) apply all Bible truth to our beliefs. We are told that now "In Him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily". Then how would He not know NOW as to when He will return?
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Amen! After the resurrection of Christ it’s said of Him that He knows all things (John 21:17) and that He is omnipresent (Matthew 28:20). Therefore, after His resurrection, Jesus did know all things.
 
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mailmandan said:
It sounds like your mind is already made up. So what’s your angle?

https://carm.org/if-jesus-god-why-did-he-not-know-hour-his-return
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Your the one who posted a site that injects its own personal opinion about Jesus giving up his rights and he does know now, my angle is if your going to do a quick search do it with place that doesn't inject its own views, their opnion is no better than mine because it's not written like that, even the Angels Don't know, are you going to tell me God is saying to Jesus now don't tell the Angels.
 
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