10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!

[eternally-gratefull]

If I don't take a break from this place soon, I'm going to end up saying what I really think.

The temptation to do so is overwhelming.

I feel the same way.

i get sick of people lieing about what others have said then thinking they can get away with it and attack people who are trying to help them see they do not understand what is being said.

i pray so hard people are not slandering on purpose knowingly, so i will not assume you have to womder sometims.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Try Ignore first. Works wonders.

yeah instead of getting to the problem, lets ignore. So the problem seems to go away.

that don,t work, the problem is still there

your proof of that,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The lie that Ben and ohers state we do not have to confess our sins at all is for the birds, when will people repent and admit this is not what they are saying

instead they just want to ignore people who are tryi g to help them to make the problem go away.

and then they wonder why people talk to them they way they do,

we get sick if the no sense.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If people want to stop being confronted and being called liars and slanders, STOP doing it. Thats all it takes.

is it hard to say i made a mistake, i misunderstood you, i still disagree with you, but i was wrong in this one area? How can people call themselves children of God, then do these things? It baffles my mind. And it gives our creator, our savior and his children a bad name!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If I don't take a break from this place soon, I'm going to end up saying what I really think.

The temptation to do so is overwhelming.

would you like a copy of my ignore list?

I just gave third and forth un ignores to a few and have proven to myself that I was right the first time


we have to consider answering a fool and throwing pearls as part of the equation. I have never said that before while thinking of those who say they are Christians.

the only trick, is do not read a post by someone you have on ignore. it won't work that way

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Try Ignore first. Works wonders.

right

won't stop the ranting and hyperbole, but since a can of Raid does not work on the web.....LOL!

 

[JGIG]

Originally Posted by JGIG

N6 was talking about the Biblical definition of repent. The OT is in the Bible, yes? And the argument has been that when the word 'repent' is used that it means to turn away from sin and to God. Yet God repented. So there is a flaw in that reasoning, and I was just pointing that out. The fact remains that the Biblical definition of repent is to change one's mind/heart, often with an element of remorse/sorrowfullness, which is often FOLLOWED by an action, either a turning toward or away from something, or an exhortation to do so. But repentance is a separate thing.

Jonah 3:10

New International Version
When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.

New Living Translation
When God saw what they had done and how they had put a stop to their evil ways, he changed his mind and did not carry out the destruction he had threatened.

English Standard Version
When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it.

New American Standard Bible
When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it.

King James Bible
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

There's your "repent "you've been crying about. All that arguing & wrong out of the gate.

Do you study anything besides King James?

You run a website that talks about the Bible with what you know?

That's like having my 3rd grade granddaughter teaching Physics.

Actually, I do, lol. You should check it out =). The link in in my signature line.

And yes, I regularly refer to the NIV, KJV, and ESV when studying the Bible, as well as the Greek if I have a question about a definition or context.

As for the verse you picked, it's the same Hebrew word that's translated as 'repent' in the KJV, and it still means . . .

Originally Posted by JGIG

In the Bible, 'repent' is often paired with the phrase 'and turn' or 'be converted'. Two separate things - one is the change of mind and heart that allows for the turning to or from something or someone. It really is no more complicated than that. You are adding meaning to the Greek word that appears and is translated as 'repent'.

IF your added-to construction is accurate, then you would have to say that when God repented (Gen. 6:6 and Ex 32:14), that He had to turn away from idols and turn to Himself. Even the OT definition translated as 'repent' speaks only of a change of mind/heart/regret and even has an element of comfort:



Strong's H5162 - nacham נָחַם

to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted

1. (Niphal)
   1. to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion
   2. to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent
   3. to comfort oneself, be comforted
   4. to comfort oneself, ease oneself
2. (Piel) to comfort, console
3. (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled
4. (Hithpael)
   1. to be sorry, have compassion
   2. to rue, repent of
   3. to comfort oneself, be comforted
   4. to ease oneself

So if we're going to talk about how 'repent' applies in Scripture, we must be consistent. The meaning is consistent; context is consistent - for both God and man. 'Turn' is a different word, with a different meaning, and is in addition to/often a result of one's repentance.

I'm sorry I wrote this part. I got caught up in the moment after all the fussing over nothing.

And yes I repented for that, because of genuine regret that I said such a thing.

Boy, the BDF has a knack for changing a person.

I appreciate that, Lewiz, and apology accepted.

I also appreciate that you engaged in discussion.

We always have a choice in how we respond/react to content, here, eh?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

When 97% of a member's threads talk about freegrace/hyper-grace teachings & preachers, they are what they are.

It's time to call a spade a spade.

You do that to the so-called "works-salvationists", don't you?

Don't you?!?

Yet I know those people by their works, and they're not whay you say they are.


I read the NBW's thread, & the very thing you're saying here is done by you there.

You know what that makes you, don't you?

Don't you?!?!?

We know...... but we withhold that name from you, because we know we would be reported for saying it.

You know who?



Who do you know personally from this forum that you can make a statement such as you know them by their works?




You've seen frustrated people who have been maligned and misrepresented and misquoted and accused of things they haven't done and don't believe defend themselves and TRY to set the record straight.

Again, we all have a choice as to how we behave here.

Self-reflection and a reevaluation about what we are trying to convey and accomplish here is probably a good idea for all of us.

As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (from Eph. 4)



15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him. (from Col. 3)​

6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.


9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10 Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11 Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13 Share with the Lord’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.


14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.


17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. (From Rom. 12)​

-JGIG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

right

won't stop the ranting and hyperbole, but since a can of Raid does not work on the web.....LOL!

There is only one thing which will stop the nonsense. You know what it is.

again, your hurting yourself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

it is no wonder people hate the church and Gods people, come quickly Lord before they ruin your name even more

 

[JGIG]

yeah instead of getting to the problem, lets ignore. So the problem seems to go away.

that don,t work, the problem is still there

your proof of that,

I don't know, EG, there are some folks here that I'd be okay with them putting me on ignore !

 

[UnderGrace]

Sad isn't it.

it is no wonder people hate the church and Gods people, come quickly Lord before they ruin your name even more

 

[UnderGrace]

No that would take away desired power, they rather tells us what we say gets old or that we are ranting and a multitude of other things.

But I agree we can hope.

I don't know, EG, there are some folks here that I'd be okay with them putting me on ignore !

 

[ljs]

it is no wonder people hate the church and Gods people, come quickly Lord before they ruin your name even more

sad isnt it Eg , a friend told me to be careful on this site , told me ( as a fairly new believer ) it would bring me down because of all the false teaching . Im starting to believe she was right

 

[UnderGrace]

So true, the Gospel which is simple that even a child can grasp becomes so convoluted.

sad isnt it Eg , a friend told me to be careful on this site , told me ( as a fairly new believer ) it would bring me down because of all the false teaching . Im starting to believe she was right

 

[BillG]

sad isnt it Eg , a friend told me to be careful on this site , told me ( as a fairly new believer ) it would bring me down because of all the false teaching . Im starting to believe she was right

Yes it can mess with your mind.

 

[JGIG]

sad isnt it Eg , a friend told me to be careful on this site , told me ( as a fairly new believer ) it would bring me down because of all the false teaching . Im starting to believe she was right

Prayers for you for discernment ♥.

14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.

20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. (From Eph. 3)​

-JGIG

 

[reneweddaybyday]

What do you think would happen if you were to wave a red flag before a raging bull?
What do you think would happen if you were to dangle a piece of meat before a hungry lion?
Do you think God didn't know what the devil was like and what he wanted to do?
Satan already said that he tried to attack Job and was unable to because God had placed a hedge of protection about him and all that he had.
How do you think the devil knew about the hedge?
God was just letting the devil know that the hedge of protection was down.

Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

What I see from the record:

Job 1:7

The Lord said to satan - Where have you come from?

satan replied - from roaming the earth and walking up and down in it.

Recall that satan now has dominion over the earth. The dominion once given to man (Adam and Eve) was conferred to satan when Adam and Eve sinned.

So in Job 1:7 satan basically stated that he was patrolling that over which he had complete dominion.



Job 1:8 - 12

The Lord said - Have you considered Job, My servant? There is no one like him in all the earth ... blameless ... an upright man who fears God and turns away from evil.

The Lord reminds satan of Job, a man of great faith, and one who had not fallen under the dominion of satan.

satan cannot, nor will he ever, praise God or man. Rather than agree with God that Job was a righteous man, satan accused Job before God and said that if God would put forth His Hand to smite Job, Job would curse God.

satan is permitted limited access to Job.



Job 1:13-19

satan wreaks havoc on Job. Job’s possessions are destroyed, his children and his servants are killed.



Job 1:20-22

Job is devastated. Job tore his clothing and shaved his head as he mourned in his deep sorrow.

However, rather than curse God as satan had stated he would do, Job worshipped the Lord. Job blessed the Lord.

satan’s lie was exposed. Job exonerated himself and Job glorified God.



Again I reiterate - God granting limited access is not the same as God telling satan "go attack Job".


satan going after Job is all on satan. God did not sic satan on Job.

Job withstood the onslaught. Yes, Job was weak as we all are when we are under attack. Job provides insight into the workings of satan and the weakness of man when under attack.

We have much to learn from the book of Job.

 

[plainguy]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

sad isnt it Eg , a friend told me to be careful on this site , told me ( as a fairly new believer ) it would bring me down because of all the false teaching . Im starting to believe she was right

Between that and the clicks of people doimg whatever it takes even lieing to,attack other people , its sad