Question about deity of Christ (Texts)

[livingbygrace]

Jesus is God's son...
...so doesn't that make Him, in nature, deity?

Because exactly what is deity now?

We would say YHWH...but if Jesus isn't in nature God, then what is he? Just man?


Grace and Love,

Hi Zac

Let me firstly say that I do not profess to have all the answers on this subject. I have discussed this at great length on two websites and never found anyone from either point of view who could answer every scripture put to them or every question.
And I think sometimes it is good to remember that Paul said
'Now I know in part'

I am positive the part I know is not as great as the part Paul knew. And I also believe there is much we will never fully know until by the grace of God we reach Heaven

I am not much of a theologian I am afraid. But I do see Jesus as divine, the divine son of God.

If we believe(as we do) that Jesus existed before he came to earth to die for our sins then he cannot just be a man can he. Humans did not exist until Adam according to the Bible. But he came in an earthly body.

I see Father and son as two distinct people if you like, BUT and this is a very big but the fulness of the Godhead bodily rests in Christ as I previoiusly mentioned.

We all have the Holy Spirit inside of us, we could not be Christians otherwise Rom 8:9

Charasmatics,Evangelicals believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, an immersion if you like of the Spirit

But imagine the Holy Spirit fully exhibiting in someone. As the spirit was on Christ in bodily form when he walked this earth, and in whom the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells. Do we ever really stop to think of what that entails?

And how much would we like those verses of scripture which seem difficult to understand according to our belief on this subject come together?

Jesus said to Philip

If you have seen me you have seen the Father

But once Jesus had returned to Heaven he called God 'My God' four times in Rev 3:12

Now I will just concentrate ion these two vesrses. If you have followed such debates as this you already know the different scriptures used in these discussions

Now someone may give you a theological answer to make those two verses tally, but it is whether you in your heart are convinced of what they say, or you just will to believe it because it may fit in with your belief. Does that make sense?

You see with my belief they fit perfectly. But I am not saying every verse of scripture on this subject I can perfectly align. I do not know anyone who can.

On the one hand Jesus is saying that if you have seen him you have seen the Father
On the other her is refering to God as 'My God'
Are you comfortable lets say with God Himself refering to someone as my God?

But to me, if the Father is fully exhibited in Christ via the Spirit because the Father has poured out the spirit without limit on his son, both those verses fit.

With the Spirt fully exhibiting in Christ I would say that anyone who has seen Jesus has seen the very person of who the Father is.

But at the same time, the Father poured out the Spirit on Christ, and He is the one true God
Therefore Christ would still refer to the Father as
'My God

Sporry if this makes little sense to you, but I am trying to avoid us just placing endless scriptures before each other. And I do not want to do that. If you are troubled at all by this subject I honestly believe the best thing is for you to take it in prayer to God, or to discuss it with a minister, and I am not a minister
Therefore I may well confuse more than help

God Bless

 

[zackabba]

Hi Zac

Let me firstly say that I do not profess to have all the answers on this subject. I have discussed this at great length on two websites and never found anyone from either point of view who could answer every scripture put to them or every question.
And I think sometimes it is good to remember that Paul said
'Now I know in part'

I am positive the part I know is not as great as the part Paul knew. And I also believe there is much we will never fully know until by the grace of God we reach Heaven

I am not much of a theologian I am afraid. But I do see Jesus as divine, the divine son of God.

If we believe(as we do) that Jesus existed before he came to earth to die for our sins then he cannot just be a man can he. Humans did not exist until Adam according to the Bible. But he came in an earthly body.

I see Father and son as two distinct people if you like, BUT and this is a very big but the fulness of the Godhead bodily rests in Christ as I previoiusly mentioned.

We all have the Holy Spirit inside of us, we could not be Christians otherwise Rom 8:9

Charasmatics,Evangelicals believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, an immersion if you like of the Spirit

But imagine the Holy Spirit fully exhibiting in someone. As the spirit was on Christ in bodily form when he walked this earth, and in whom the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwells. Do we ever really stop to think of what that entails?

And how much would we like those verses of scripture which seem difficult to understand according to our belief on this subject come together?

Jesus said to Philip

If you have seen me you have seen the Father

But once Jesus had returned to Heaven he called God 'My God' four times in Rev 3:12

Now I will just concentrate ion these two vesrses. If you have followed such debates as this you already know the different scriptures used in these discussions

Now someone may give you a theological answer to make those two verses tally, but it is whether you in your heart are convinced of what they say, or you just will to believe it because it may fit in with your belief. Does that make sense?

You see with my belief they fit perfectly. But I am not saying every verse of scripture on this subject I can perfectly align. I do not know anyone who can.

On the one hand Jesus is saying that if you have seen him you have seen the Father
On the other her is refering to God as 'My God'
Are you comfortable lets say with God Himself refering to someone as my God?

But to me, if the Father is fully exhibited in Christ via the Spirit because the Father has poured out the spirit without limit on his son, both those verses fit.

With the Spirt fully exhibiting in Christ I would say that anyone who has seen Jesus has seen the very person of who the Father is.

But at the same time, the Father poured out the Spirit on Christ, and He is the one true God
Therefore Christ would still refer to the Father as
'My God

Sporry if this makes little sense to you, but I am trying to avoid us just placing endless scriptures before each other. And I do not want to do that. If you are troubled at all by this subject I honestly believe the best thing is for you to take it in prayer to God, or to discuss it with a minister, and I am not a minister
Therefore I may well confuse more than help

God Bless

Thank you for replying:

Yes, none of us has the full answers about God, and who He fully is. We can look at the Scriptures and come up with doctrines, but they may be right or wrong in the end.

I am not much of a theologian I am afraid. But I do see Jesus as divine, the divine son of God.

I'm just trying to figure out exactly what divine means...but you believe that the full godhead resides in Jesus, so I guess that's what you mean by it.

If we believe(as we do) that Jesus existed before he came to earth to die for our sins then he cannot just be a man can he. Humans did not exist until Adam according to the Bible. But he came in an earthly body.

Well, and if you look at his prayer in John 17 he says that he had glory with his Father, God, before the world was, before the world that we stand on existed. So, yes, there is something more than human about him (though I believe he is fully human due to the incarnation). Exactly right.

What you said between this and the next section I agree with. The Holy Spirit dwells in us.




And how much would we like those verses of scripture which seem difficult to understand according to our belief on this subject come together?

Jesus said to Philip

If you have seen me you have seen the Father

But once Jesus had returned to Heaven he called God 'My God' four times in Rev 3:12

Now, we know that Jesus is not the Father, so Jesus couldn't have been, literally, the Father.

But, Jesus and his Father do share one being of God. This is what Jesus was saying, and can be the only thing he was saying.

In light of that, we can look at Jesus calling God "My God" and find the answer. What is it?
Well, at the moment of the incarnation, Jesus became fully human, yet retained his full deity, yet laid aside his former, glorious position with the Father in order to die on the cross and save us, voluntarily.
Jesus can call Him "God" because he truly is His God. His Father is his God, in that he is subordinate to Him.

At the beginning of every letter of Paul's, he says "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
He's his God because He's human, and He's his Father because He is His Son, or divine Son.
These are the two natures of Jesus; the only way He could be the one mediator between God and man is if he was God and man. He's better than any other high priest before Him because He's perfectly human and God, two natures, one person.


What interesting about Revelation is this. In 3:12, he calls God His God...
...yet in 3:11, He says, "I am coming soon."
Now, how's that interesting?

Look at Revelation 22:12-13

"Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

So, he can be deity, yet at the same time have deity and a human nature.





Now someone may give you a theological answer to make those two verses tally, but it is whether you in your heart are convinced of what they say, or you just will to believe it because it may fit in with your belief. Does that make sense?

I'm convinced because of what Scripture has shown me, reading it by itself, and comparing verses, all with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

You see with my belief they fit perfectly. But I am not saying every verse of scripture on this subject I can perfectly align. I do not know anyone who can.

And I probably haven't perfectly aligned it either. But I've done the best I can at it above.

On the one hand Jesus is saying that if you have seen him you have seen the Father
On the other her is refering to God as 'My God'
Are you comfortable lets say with God Himself refering to someone as my God?

Yes, if Jesus is in fact God and man, the God-man. Then it makes sense.
If there were a Scripture of Jesus calling God His God before he became incarnate, however, that would pose trouble for the deity of Christ.
Yet, there are none.

But to me, if the Father is fully exhibited in Christ via the Spirit because the Father has poured out the spirit without limit on his son, both those verses fit.

I don't believe that the Father is the Spirit, but that since the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one being, one God, that they all reside in us in some way (Jesus said that He and the Father would come and make their home with anyone who would believe)



With the Spirt fully exhibiting in Christ I would say that anyone who has seen Jesus has seen the very person of who the Father is.

And I would say that they have seen the very "being" of the Father, but not literally the Father Himself.

But at the same time, the Father poured out the Spirit on Christ, and He is the one true God
Therefore Christ would still refer to the Father as
'My God

Sporry if this makes little sense to you, but I am trying to avoid us just placing endless scriptures before each other. And I do not want to do that. If you are troubled at all by this subject I honestly believe the best thing is for you to take it in prayer to God, or to discuss it with a minister, and I am not a minister
Therefore I may well confuse more than help

No, I'm fine with this sort of discussion: it only strengthens my belief, from brother to brother in Christ.


Grace and Love

 

[Scotth1960]

Thank you for your post.

You're right: We should approach God honestly with our hearts, and humble ourselves before Him and think about Him more then any doctrines...I don't think it's necessarily wrong to think about who He is, as we are to love Him with our heart, soul, and

mind, but I know what you're saying.

I'm not going to argue about anything, but I just have a question:

If Jesus isn't the God-man, then who is he?

Is he just man, then?

Here's my thing with it (and I'm really not trying to get down on you about anything, honest, just showing you my view):

Jesus is God's son...
...so doesn't that make Him, in nature, deity?

Because exactly what is deity now?

Dear Zackabba, Is Jesus Christ God, that is, God the Son, and does the term Son of God mean the same thing as God the Son? Yes. It does. What saith the Scripture: See Philippians, chapter 2.
We read. KJV (King James Version): Philippians 2:1-13 KJV:
"IF there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any [affection, NKJV] and mercies, Fulfill ye my joy, that ye be like-minded having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name, That at the name of Jesus every knew should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

We would say YHWH...but if Jesus isn't in nature God, then what is he? Just man?

Grace and Love,

 

[livingbygrace]

Thank you for replying:

Yes, none of us has the full answers about God, and who He fully is. We can look at the Scriptures and come up with doctrines, but they may be right or wrong in the end.

I am not much of a theologian I am afraid. But I do see Jesus as divine, the divine son of God.

I'm just trying to figure out exactly what divine means...but you believe that the full godhead resides in Jesus, so I guess that's what you mean by it.

If we believe(as we do) that Jesus existed before he came to earth to die for our sins then he cannot just be a man can he. Humans did not exist until Adam according to the Bible. But he came in an earthly body.

Well, and if you look at his prayer in John 17 he says that he had glory with his Father, God, before the world was, before the world that we stand on existed. So, yes, there is something more than human about him (though I believe he is fully human due to the incarnation). Exactly right.

What you said between this and the next section I agree with. The Holy Spirit dwells in us.




And how much would we like those verses of scripture which seem difficult to understand according to our belief on this subject come together?

Jesus said to Philip

If you have seen me you have seen the Father

But once Jesus had returned to Heaven he called God 'My God' four times in Rev 3:12

Now, we know that Jesus is not the Father, so Jesus couldn't have been, literally, the Father.

But, Jesus and his Father do share one being of God. This is what Jesus was saying, and can be the only thing he was saying.

In light of that, we can look at Jesus calling God "My God" and find the answer. What is it?
Well, at the moment of the incarnation, Jesus became fully human, yet retained his full deity, yet laid aside his former, glorious position with the Father in order to die on the cross and save us, voluntarily.
Jesus can call Him "God" because he truly is His God. His Father is his God, in that he is subordinate to Him.

At the beginning of every letter of Paul's, he says "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
He's his God because He's human, and He's his Father because He is His Son, or divine Son.
These are the two natures of Jesus; the only way He could be the one mediator between God and man is if he was God and man. He's better than any other high priest before Him because He's perfectly human and God, two natures, one person.


What interesting about Revelation is this. In 3:12, he calls God His God...
...yet in 3:11, He says, "I am coming soon."
Now, how's that interesting?

Look at Revelation 22:12-13

"Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

So, he can be deity, yet at the same time have deity and a human nature.





Now someone may give you a theological answer to make those two verses tally, but it is whether you in your heart are convinced of what they say, or you just will to believe it because it may fit in with your belief. Does that make sense?

I'm convinced because of what Scripture has shown me, reading it by itself, and comparing verses, all with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

You see with my belief they fit perfectly. But I am not saying every verse of scripture on this subject I can perfectly align. I do not know anyone who can.

And I probably haven't perfectly aligned it either. But I've done the best I can at it above.

On the one hand Jesus is saying that if you have seen him you have seen the Father
On the other her is refering to God as 'My God'
Are you comfortable lets say with God Himself refering to someone as my God?

Yes, if Jesus is in fact God and man, the God-man. Then it makes sense.
If there were a Scripture of Jesus calling God His God before he became incarnate, however, that would pose trouble for the deity of Christ.
Yet, there are none.

But to me, if the Father is fully exhibited in Christ via the Spirit because the Father has poured out the spirit without limit on his son, both those verses fit.

I don't believe that the Father is the Spirit, but that since the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one being, one God, that they all reside in us in some way (Jesus said that He and the Father would come and make their home with anyone who would believe)



With the Spirt fully exhibiting in Christ I would say that anyone who has seen Jesus has seen the very person of who the Father is.

And I would say that they have seen the very "being" of the Father, but not literally the Father Himself.

But at the same time, the Father poured out the Spirit on Christ, and He is the one true God
Therefore Christ would still refer to the Father as
'My God

Sporry if this makes little sense to you, but I am trying to avoid us just placing endless scriptures before each other. And I do not want to do that. If you are troubled at all by this subject I honestly believe the best thing is for you to take it in prayer to God, or to discuss it with a minister, and I am not a minister
Therefore I may well confuse more than help

No, I'm fine with this sort of discussion: it only strengthens my belief, from brother to brother in Christ.


Grace and Love

Zac

Thank you for such detailed and well thought out answers. We may see this subject differently to some degree but I appreciate the way in which it has been discussed and that we can still accept each other as brothers in Christ.

 

[HumbleSaint]

The reason Jesus is the Son of God is because he was conceived of the Holy Ghost instead of the seed of man. That is how we can become the sons of God by being born again by the Word of God.

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Peter 1:23

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:13

The Bible says that the Word is God in John 1, so if you are born by his Word, you are born of God, which is the incorruptible seed. When you were born of your father's seed, that was the corruptible seed, and Jesus said, "Ye must be Born again," thist time by the Spirit of God. If Jesus was born of Joseph's seed, He would not have been able to take away our sins. But He was born of the Holy Ghost, that is why He is called the Son of God.

 

[zone]

Yes, He is.



Human. Just like any other human, EXCEPT God was his father, so His blood was pure, and he did not inherit the sinful nature every other man has. Remember, "the" passover sacrifice had to be a "lamb from the flock". If he was deity, he would not be "from the flock".

Jesus being a man takes absolutely nothing away from who he was or what he accomplished for us, and it keeps God in His rightful position as the one true God.

may i ask what church you attend?

 

[Scotth1960]

1. Is 1 John 5:20 referring to Christ?

2. Is Titus 2:13 saying that our great God and Savior is Jesus Christ?

Christ shows Himself how He suffers as God's Only-begotten Son (John 3:16), on the Cross, and therefore, We are to preach the Cross. God forbid we should boast in anything except the Cross of Christ. "The preaching of the Cross is foolishness unto those who are perishing, but unto those of us who are being saved", it is the grace and the mercy of God, and the wisdom of God. "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world." Galatians 6:14 KJV

God save us all in Christ's shed precious blood on His Cross. We are crucified with Christ. God save us because of that. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Why reject what Jesus said Himself, that He is the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last, the Almighty
This is in revelation.

 

[shroom2]

But aren't we all called "sons of God" as believers (children of God)?

Yes. When we become born again by acting on Romans 10:9, we become born of God, born of incorruptible seed.

Why is Jesus called the only son of God if he's just a human being?

He is not the only Son of God, he is the only begotten Son of God. Jesus is the only human being fathered by God in the sense that God created the sperm in Mary. -Nobody- else got started this way.

And, if Jesus is only human, then why is he worshiped on the same level as God in Revelation 5? Why is the Lamb, in the midst of the throne, worshiped and given the same blessings as God on the throne?

Without Jesus Christ and what he accomplished, all mankind was doomed to eternal death. He is certainly worthy of praise.

Rev 5:13 ....Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne [God], and unto the Lamb [Jesus] for ever and ever.

Also, isn't Jesus identified as God if you compare Titus 1:3 with verse 4?

but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior,
To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

(The same word, sOtEros, Saviour, is used for both God and the Lord Jesus Christ)

Both are our savior. God authored the plan of salvation, Jesus Christ carried it out.

God bless.

 

[shroom2]

may i ask what church you attend?

I do not attend a denominational church. I fellowship with like-minded believers.

 

[AnandaHya]

Why reject what Jesus said Himself, that He is the Alpha and Omega the First and the Last, the Almighty
This is in revelation.

excellent question.

Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

 

[zone]

I do not attend a denominational church. I fellowship with like-minded believers.

ok.
if you had to answer someone in passing, is there a denomination or theological foundation you could name that best represents your beliefs?

 

[shroom2]

ok.
if you had to answer someone in passing, is there a denomination or theological foundation you could name that best represents your beliefs?

Christian.

 

[livingbygrace]

Christian.

I have very much enjoyed reading your posts on this thread, especially your above answer!

It is always a blessing to me to read the comments of someone who knows the heart of Christianity and what is most important in the faith

 

[zackabba]

Yes. When we become born again by acting on Romans 10:9, we become born of God, born of incorruptible seed.


He is not the only Son of God, he is the only begotten Son of God. Jesus is the only human being fathered by God in the sense that God created the sperm in Mary. -Nobody- else got started this way.


Without Jesus Christ and what he accomplished, all mankind was doomed to eternal death. He is certainly worthy of praise.

Rev 5:13 ....Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne [God], and unto the Lamb [Jesus] for ever and ever.



Both are our savior. God authored the plan of salvation, Jesus Christ carried it out.

God bless.

Yes. When we become born again by acting on Romans 10:9, we become born of God, born of incorruptible seed.

Right.

In the same chapter, Romans 10:13, Paul says "...everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." , and Paul is referring to Jesus...

It's no coincidence that this is the exact same phrasing of Joel 2:32, which says,
"And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."

He is not the only Son of God, he is the only begotten Son of God. Jesus is the only human being fathered by God in the sense that God created the sperm in Mary. -Nobody- else got started this way.

It says begotten in the King James Version. Monogenes doesn't mean that.


Without Jesus Christ and what he accomplished, all mankind was doomed to eternal death. He is certainly worthy of praise.

Matt 4:10
"Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written:'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'"

Jesus himself accepted worship, which was only to be directed towards God.

Likewise, in Revelation, the Lamb (Jesus) accepts worship, and doesn't redirect it as the angels did with John.

I don't see people worshiping Moses on the same level as God because he took the Israelites out of Egypt.
There is only one eternal Savior, and that is God.


Rev 5:13 ....Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne [God], and unto the Lamb [Jesus] for ever and ever.



Both are our savior. God authored the plan of salvation, Jesus Christ carried it out.

" I, I am the LORD,
and besides me there is no savior." (Isa. 43:10)


Both certainly are our Savior, because they're one God.



Grace and Love

 

[shroom2]

...Both certainly are our Savior, because they're one God.

So you have made a decision, then.

How can TWO entities be ONE God?

Forgive me, I am forgetting about the holy spirit.

How can THREE entities be ONE God?

The bible teaches there is ONE God, who is spirit. Even Jesus, when here on earth, said "God is spirit".

I realize confirmed trinitarians have their ways of explaining this, and many other things one must accept if one is to believe in the trinity. There are even sources that state it is impossible to fully understand the trinity. God wants us to understand Him. Sure, there are things we will not know until the return, but in the meantime, we are to worship God. I would think God at least wants us to understand who it is we are worshiping.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

God bless.

 

[zone]

So you have made a decision, then.

How can TWO entities be ONE God?

Forgive me, I am forgetting about the holy spirit.

How can THREE entities be ONE God?

The bible teaches there is ONE God, who is spirit. Even Jesus, when here on earth, said "God is spirit".

I realize confirmed trinitarians have their ways of explaining this, and many other things one must accept if one is to believe in the trinity. There are even sources that state it is impossible to fully understand the trinity. God wants us to understand Him. Sure, there are things we will not know until the return, but in the meantime, we are to worship God. I would think God at least wants us to understand who it is we are worshiping.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

God bless.

so, in your scheme,
there's ONE God, and two other entities?

or just Jesus was the created entity?

better not worship Him: that would be idolatry. don't even pray to the Father in Jesus' Name.

remember, He won't give His Glory to another, and he said there was NO God, and NO Saviour besides Him.

so i do not know who the "jesus" is you are talking about.

 

[zone]

I have very much enjoyed reading your posts on this thread, especially your above answer!

It is always a blessing to me to read the comments of someone who knows the heart of Christianity and what is most important in the faith

yes, the Unitarian doctrine.

Unitarianism is a religion known primarily for holding that God is only one person, in contrast to the doctrine of the Trinity (God as three persons in one), and that God is a separate being from Jesus Christ.[1] Unitarians are also known for the rejection of other common Christian teachings[2] such as the salvation-related doctrines of original sin and predestination,[3][4] and biblical inerrancy.[5]

See also

Religion portal

• Anomoeanism—radical Arians of the 4th century.
• Binitarianism
• Christadelphians
• Divine simplicity
• Free Christianity
• Jesus in Islam
• Messianic Judaism
• Monarchianism
• Non-Trinitarian churches
• Oneness Pentecostalism
• Polish Brethren
• Sabellianism

Unitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[shroom2]

so, in your scheme,
there's ONE God, and two other entities?

"my" scheme? That's the way things are laid out in the bible. I'm sorry you cannot see it.

or just Jesus was the created entity?

Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

better not worship Him: that would be idolatry. don't even pray to the Father in Jesus' Name.

Why not? The bible says to.

remember, He won't give His Glory to another, and he said there was NO God, and NO Saviour besides Him.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

so i do not know who the "jesus" is you are talking about.

You should get to know Him. He is the savior. God is his father.

 

[shroom2]

yes, the Unitarian doctrine.

Unitarianism is a religion known primarily for holding that God is only one person, in contrast to the doctrine of the Trinity (God as three persons in one), and that God is a separate being from Jesus Christ.[1] Unitarians are also known for the rejection of other common Christian teachings[2] such as the salvation-related doctrines of original sin and predestination,[3][4] and biblical inerrancy.[5]

Yes. Unitarianism. One God, as opposed to three in one. God is indeed a separate being from Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is a man.

I believe Adam sinned, and thus all men are born dead in sin. That's why we need saving.

I do not believe in predestination, other than the things prophesied in the bible will absolutely come to pass. I believe man has 100% free will, and by his will decides whether to accept God or not.

I believe that the bible, as originally given, is God's Word, and therefore inerrant.

Zone, you don't know me. Don't pretend you do.