The Greatest Geographic evidence the world has ever known

[Digital_Angel_316]

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD
(get over it)
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-they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so-
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(I'm a fundamentalist, because I believe the Bible.)

And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
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Good stuff miktre, I wish there were more contributors. More could be said on the Pyramid
Study as well.

 

[lydever91]

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD
(get over it)
​

-they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so-
​

(I'm a fundamentalist, because I believe the Bible.)

And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
​

Good stuff miktre, I wish there were more contributors. More could be said on the Pyramid
Study as well.

Agreed, Really good stuff, miktre.

I never knew that numbers had such significance, thanks for sharing

 

[Crossfire]

Miktre,

If you enjoy researching this type of material, then you might like Christian author Steve Merrill. The man is a genius when it comes to ancient Babylonian traditions and religion revealing how these ancient beliefs were developed in direct opposition to the Bible.

 

[keshka]

I don't know how to begin with this, but...

1) Astrology.

Please, please, PLEASE don't be linking that silly Astrology stuff with Chistianity. Jesus = THE TRUTH, whereas astrology = NOT THE TRUTH. Here's why...


There are actually 13 signs of the zodiac, not 12. Astrologers, for some reason, tend to conveniently 'forget' the 13th sign, Ophiuchus (the serpent-bearer), because 12 is a nice round number.

Astrology splits the year into 12 equal parts. This is, again, rubbish. Some of the zodiac constellations are much larger than others. For example, Virgo is a big constellation and Scorpio is tiny, so really the zodiac should be split unevenly. For example, 'officially' I'm a Pisces (born 23rd February), but on my exact date of birth, the sun was actually in the constellation of Aquarius, because astrologers get it so badly wrong.

The constallations we know and love today are based on those of the Greeks. At the time all this stuff was going on in Egypt and Israel, the peoples of the Middle-East would've been using a different set of constellations anyway (albeit with some similarities to the Greek system).

2) Magnetic North

The original poster keeps mentioning 'Magnetic North', rather than, simply, North.

For those of you who don't know, the Magnetic North Pole is completely different to the North Pole we all know and love up there in the Arctic. Instead, 'Magnetic North' isn't fixed, and moves around all the time, so today's Magnetic North would not have been in the same position as the Magnetic North in biblical times.

3) Moses' Altar

I've been scouring the internet, trying to find a latitude/longitude grid reference for Moses' Altar... and can't find anything. For those of you who have looked this triangle up on Google Maps, can someone please point me in the right direction, because I can't seem to find it. Temple Mount, of course, is located at 31°46′40.7″N 35°14′8.9″E, but I can find no reference to the Moses Altar.

The cynic in me at this point is doubting very much whether Moses' Altar even exists in the location specified, in which case the whole trianlge thing is rendered completely meaningless! Of course, I'm willing to be proved wrong if someone can send me a link to the grid reference.

I'm especially dubious, considering that Moses' Altar was supposedly at Mount Sinai, which is nowhere near any of the points of this so-called triangle... all we have is a suspect revisionist documentary, 'Mountain of Fire' (referenced in the original post), which insists that the modern-day Mt. Sinai is not the same one as described in the Bible. Hm, what?!!

In conclusion. I KNOW that God exists. I give thanks to Him every day for this wondrous life and the world we live in. Yeah, we know there are plenty of non-believers out there. So what? Ignore them. Let them live their loves how they choose.

What we shouldn't be doing is coming up with trumped-up 'evidence' to prove the existence of God. I have all the evidence I need already!

Are we so insecure in our beliefs that we are forced to resort to freemasonry, astrology, and lines on maps to prove the existence of God?

I'm not.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

I don't know how to begin with this, but...

1) Astrology.

2) Magnetic North

3) Moses' Altar

I've been scouring the internet, trying to find a latitude/longitude grid reference for Moses' Altar... and can't find anything. For those of you who have looked this triangle up on Google Maps, can someone please point me in the right direction, because I can't seem to find it. Temple Mount, of course, is located at 31°46′40.7″N 35°14′8.9″E, but I can find no reference to the Moses Altar.

The cynic in me at this point is doubting very much whether Moses' Altar even exists in the location specified, in which case the whole trianlge thing is rendered completely meaningless! Of course, I'm willing to be proved wrong if someone can send me a link to the grid reference.

I'm especially dubious, considering that Moses' Altar was supposedly at Mount Sinai, which is nowhere near any of the points of this so-called triangle... all we have is a suspect revisionist documentary, 'Mountain of Fire' (referenced in the original post), which insists that the modern-day Mt. Sinai is not the same one as described in the Bible. Hm, what?!!

In conclusion. I KNOW that God exists. I give thanks to Him every day for this wondrous life and the world we live in. Yeah, we know there are plenty of non-believers out there. So what? Ignore them. Let them live their loves how they choose.

What we shouldn't be doing is coming up with trumped-up 'evidence' to prove the existence of God. I have all the evidence I need already!

Are we so insecure in our beliefs that we are forced to resort to freemasonry, astrology, and lines on maps to prove the existence of God?

I'm not.

Good post. There is a Gospel in the Stars, even if it is a metaphor or parable.
It's not about freemasonry or astrology *(more astronomy) and cartography. Those
things are simple revelations of the Parable/Metaphor.
I hope the map below is of use to you.

Regards, Digital_Angel_316

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

I don't know how to begin with this, but...

1) Astrology.

Please, please, PLEASE don't be linking that silly Astrology stuff with Chistianity. Jesus = THE TRUTH, whereas astrology = NOT THE TRUTH. Here's why...

2) Magnetic North



3) Moses' Altar

I've been scouring the internet, trying to find a latitude/longitude grid reference for Moses' Altar... and can't find anything. For those of you who have looked this triangle up on Google Maps, can someone please point me in the right direction, because I can't seem to find it. Temple Mount, of course, is located at 31°46′40.7″N 35°14′8.9″E, but I can find no reference to the Moses Altar.

The cynic in me at this point is doubting very much whether Moses' Altar even exists in the location specified, in which case the whole trianlge thing is rendered completely meaningless! Of course, I'm willing to be proved wrong if someone can send me a link to the grid reference.

I'm especially dubious, considering that Moses' Altar was supposedly at Mount Sinai, which is nowhere near any of the points of this so-called triangle... all we have is a suspect revisionist documentary, 'Mountain of Fire' (referenced in the original post), which insists that the modern-day Mt. Sinai is not the same one as described in the Bible. Hm, what?!!

In conclusion. I KNOW that God exists. I give thanks to Him every day for this wondrous life and the world we live in. Yeah, we know there are plenty of non-believers out there. So what? Ignore them. Let them live their loves how they choose.

What we shouldn't be doing is coming up with trumped-up 'evidence' to prove the existence of God. I have all the evidence I need already!

Are we so insecure in our beliefs that we are forced to resort to freemasonry, astrology, and lines on maps to prove the existence of God?

I'm not.

The following post is from a discussion in another thread (Link Below) discussing the
TEXTUS RECEPTUS and the two main competing documents, the CODEX SINAITICUS (hence
- where is the real Mount Sinai) and the Codex Vaticanus.

Thread Link - TEXTUS RECEPTUS discussion:
Link -- >> http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/30112-textus-receptus.html

WHERE IS MOUNT SINAI (from whence came SINAITICUS CODEX)?

How did Mount Sinai come to be misidentified at its present location? (St.Catherines Monastery in Egypt)

The most prominent source for the misidentification of today's supposed location of
Mount Sinai is Helena, the mother of the Roman Emperor, Constantine. Early in the Fourth
Century, CE, after Constantine decreed Christianity to be the "NEW" official, state-
sponsored religion of the Roman Empire, his mother went gadding-about the Holy Land
region selecting physical and geographic locations of notable Biblical events.

Much to her shame and ignominy, Helena did not have a clue as to any of the authentic
Biblical sites. And, for the location of Mount Sinai, it is apparent she certainly did not
bother consulting the Books Of Exodus and Galatians in the Christian Holy Scriptures.
Rather than seek dependable and accurate information from the source-manual of
Christianity (The Bible), Helena depended upon information from whomsoever was at
hand, in a land nearly devoid of both Christians and Jews, 300 years after the time of
Christ Jesus, as she noted the locations of various and dubious shrines purporting to have
been constructed at authentic Biblical locations.


Adding to Helena's confusion, there were competing, duplicate shrines from which to
choose.

For the most significant locations of important Biblical events, Helena's choices were so
very wrong as to be scandalous.

Not only did she misidentify the location of Calvary by more than a mile, but she also
misidentified the location of Mount Sinai by more than 100 miles.

It is clearly indicated in The Book Of Exodus that the Israelites completely departed the
lands controlled by Egypt and sojourned onward to the land of Midian (outside Egyptian
dominion) before receiving the Ten Commandments. Today's Sinai peninsula was within
the borders and control of ancient Egypt, and in order to completely depart from Egypt,
the Israelites had to depart, completely, from the Sinai peninsula also. It is not physically
possible for the Israelites to both encamp at the mountain falsely called Sinai in Egypt,
and to completely depart from Egypt at the same time.


The Bible does not suggest that the Israelites crossed the Red Sea twice. And to get to
Midian, while completely departing Egypt, the Israelites first had to journey down the
western side of the Sinai peninsula and cross the Red Sea near the peninsula's
southernmost tip, where the Red Sea meets the Gulf Of Aqaba. Since the Bible reports
that God would not permit the Israelites to take an easterly route out of Egypt, the only
other way to Midian was southbound, along the eastern shore of the Red Sea. The
Israelites had, first, requested to be allowed to leave Egypt, whereas, after the ten
plagues, Pharaoh ordered the Israelites to leave Egypt, completely and entirely.


The MAIN reason that today's, supposed, location of Mount Sinai, on the Egyptian Sinai
peninsula, can not possibly be correct is that today's, supposed, location is within what
was ancient Egypt, and not within what was ancient Midian.


In the northwestern corner of today's Saudi Arabia, sits a mountain that perfectly fits the
Biblical description of Mount Sinai. And if Constantine's mother would have availed herself
of the information in the Bible, Helena would have been enabled to pick a location for
Mount Sinai that was, at least, within ancient Midian. There IS a mountain within what
once was ancient Midian that today's Saudi Arabians call "Jebel al Lawz", the mountain of
The Law (or, the mountain of The Tablets, upon which The Ten Commandments were
written). The Saudis enthusiastically acknowledge that "Jebel al Lawz" is definitely the
location of the Biblical Mount Sinai.


Furthermore, the physical description of the mountain and the area surrounding it
conform to the Biblical description perfectly. That mountain, in today's northwestern
Saudi Arabia, is a non-volcanic mountain which has a blackened top. The mountain
appears to have been burnt with fire all over its topmost 25%, which perfectly fits the
Biblical description. And, the area immediately surrounding the mountain has enough
level plains to provide space for the encampment of up to two million people, a number of
people in agreement with the Bible, the potential number of sojourners from out of Egypt.
Plus, the mountain in Saudi Arabia has archaeological artifacts conforming to Biblical
descriptions; e.g. twelve impressively large, obviously man-made, stone pillars,
extremely ancient petroglyphs, etc.


The supposed, misidentified Mount Sinai, in Egypt's Sinai peninsula, possesses absolutely
NONE of these features. The mountain falsely called Sinai, in Egypt, is not in ancient Midian;
it does not have a blackened top; it does not have enough level plains surrounding it to
permit the encampment of two thousand people, much less two million; and it does not
reveal any 3,500-years-old archaeological artifacts of any kind whatsoever.


The REAL, genuine, authentic Mount Sinai is in northwestern Saudi Arabia, the land of
ancient Midian, NOT in Egypt's Sinai peninsula!
Reference Link -->> WHERE IS MOUNT SINAI? - WHERE IS MOUNT HOREB OF THE EXODUS?

Good supporting article, with maps and scriptural references as well as historical analysis
- Recommended Reading - is at this link:
Link -->> Mount Sinai and the Apostle Paul - Ancient Exodus - Understanding the Route of the Exodus

For an opposing view, see the link:
Link -->> Life and Land Blog Archive MT. SINAI IS NOT AT JEBEL EL-LAWZ IN SAUDI ARABIA – part 1

MAP BELOW: (now posted in this thread in the above post)

The ApostlePaul, writing in the first century A.D., seems to have understood the location
of Mount Sinai relative to Jerusalem, according to Galatians 4:24-26.
Although the “Old Testament” account of the Exodus has been a popular topic of study,
the New Testament (NT) references to the Exodus are often overlooked. The NT writers
confirm the historicity of the Exodus, but their discussion of its geography is scanty. The
NT only mentions Mount Sinai four times (Acts 7:30, 38; Galatians 4:24, 25), the Red Sea
twice (Acts 7:36; Heb. 11:29), Arabia twice (Galatians 1:17; 4:25), and Midian once (Acts
7:29).
The most interesting comments about Mount Sinai were made by the ApostlePaul in his
letter to the Galatians:

22 “For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid,
the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born
after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things
are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount
Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar [Hagar]. 25 For this Agar
is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in
bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is
the mother of us all.” (Galatians 4:22-26 KJV)
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Although these lines are easily glossed over as only spiritual allegory, the Greek text uses
two distinctly geographical terms to refer to Mount Sinai. Is it possible that these verses
provide geographical insight about the location of Mount Sinai?

“Answereth,” the first key term in the KJV, is translated from the Greek word sustoicheo.
Its only NT occurrence is in Galatians 4:25. The meaning of sustoicheo carries the sense of
corresponding, as in soldiers filing together in ranks (Strong 1990, #4960). Aristotle used
“sustoichos,” another form of the word, in the geographical sense of “standing on the
same row or coordinate” (Liddell and Scott 2000, 783). Sustoichia, also used by Aristotle,
has the meaning of “a coordinate series” (ibid.). Hence, this word was useful for describing
linear spatial relationships in geographical or military applications.

Paul’s use of sustoicheo seems to have been intended to refer to the position Mount Sinai
relative to Jerusalem. In modern parlance, instead of sustoicheo, we might say that
Jerusalem and Mount Sinai were on the same parallel of latitude or on the same meridian
of longitude.

 

[Shilo]

We I know some people think the Sphinx is a symbol of Jesus because having a mans face and the body of the lion. Others think it is the start and end of the constellations or the count of time. Starting at virgo and end at Leo. The dates I have could be wrong be cause they are only what some people think.
The Exodus is thought to be 1446 bc or hebrew years 2315
Jesus born 3761 hebrew years
the dates do not not look to be evenly part.
So what are you trying to say?

 

[Shilo]

Just thought of one more thing that might mean something.
]1 kings 6:1 In the four hundred and eightieth year after the Israelites came out of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the LORD.


Then in daniel there is 480 years until Jesus would come prophecy.

Do not know if it gose along with what you are saying, but is something to look at.

 

[Fencepost]

PRAISE YOU JESUS! A Big tent gospel revival in Private thread in MISC come on over.

 

[Shilo]

I posted the wrong amount of time in Daniel it is 483 years, sorry

 

[keshka]

I seriously give up on this thread right now!

There is plentiful evidence of God's work in everything we see and touch. The flutter of a butterfly's wing, the amazingly beautiful rings of Saturn, a delicious cold glass of white wine on a hot summer's day!

That people have to resort to this - basically falling head over feet in order to find patterns which may be entirely coincidental (if even they exist at all)... well, I guess I'll leave you guys to it!

Stay happy!

 

[miktre]

I seriously give up on this thread right now!

There is plentiful evidence of God's work in everything we see and touch. The flutter of a butterfly's wing, the amazingly beautiful rings of Saturn, a delicious cold glass of white wine on a hot summer's day!

That people have to resort to this - basically falling head over feet in order to find patterns which may be entirely coincidental (if even they exist at all)... well, I guess I'll leave you guys to it!

Stay happy!

The only thing I'll respond to is that this is not for me to believe in God. I believed first and then looked. The things I found did amaze me though. Thats why I shared it. Have a great day.

 

[miktre]

Numeric Phenomenology update September 18, 2011
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[Digital_Angel_316]

Numeric Phenomenology update September 18, 2011
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Miktre, where are you going with this - what does it mean? Does it relate to the Pyramid or
Sinai discussion? Is there some sort of surveyor information relating to "The Greatest
Geographical Evidence The world has seen..." embedded in the breakdown of a circle? Let's
not fall too far into numerology apart from relating it to scriptural principles and related
history and archeology etc.

 

[miktre]

Miktre, where are you going with this - what does it mean? Does it relate to the Pyramid or
Sinai discussion? Is there some sort of surveyor information relating to "The Greatest
Geographical Evidence The world has seen..." embedded in the breakdown of a circle? Let's
not fall too far into numerology apart from relating it to scriptural principles and related
history and archeology etc.

I didnt think it was that hard to figure out. The angle of the sphinx to the Temple mount and Moses Altar is 47.5. All the math was already there, I simply documented it with the circle. Maybe its too difficult of math for you. Put it on the shelf and get back to it. I consider it a seal of authenticity.

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

I didnt think it was that hard to figure out. The angle of the sphinx to the Temple mount and Moses Altar is 47.5. All the math was already there, I simply documented it with the circle. Maybe its too difficult of math for you. Put it on the shelf and get back to it. I consider it a seal of authenticity.

OK, thanks I didn't relate the angles of the triangle to the "Numeric Phenomenology
update" provided because I didn't see the earlier post relating to it. I would have
preferred to think the angles would be 45 thus making a 'right' triangle. I am not sure if
there is some license in this measurement or calculation. Maybe it's the '144' they were
going after, not sure.

I do find the idea of 144, 2.5 degree increments in a circle to be interesting, with a simple 2.5
degree difference in the 45 degrees. I will have to look at the web site source of the pics to
see their explanation of the extra 2.5 degree step. Side Note- the sin(e) of 90 = 1, sin 45 =
.707(sometimes 'rms') and the sin of 47.5 = .737 - other related sin values in combinations
in the diagram don't mean much to me at first glance, will check into it, think about it and
get back to the post.

 

[miktre]

OK, thanks I didn't relate the angles of the triangle to the "Numeric Phenomenology
update" provided because I didn't see the earlier post relating to it. I would have
preferred to think the angles would be 45 thus making a 'right' triangle. I am not sure if
there is some license in this measurement or calculation. Maybe it's the '144' they were
going after, not sure.

I do find the idea of 144, 2.5 degree increments in a circle to be interesting, with a simple 2.5
degree difference in the 45 degrees. I will have to look at the web site source of the pics to
see their explanation of the extra 2.5 degree step. Side Note- the sin(e) of 90 = 1, sin 45 =
.707(sometimes 'rms') and the sin of 47.5 = .737 - other related sin values in combinations
in the diagram don't mean much to me at first glance, will check into it, think about it and
get back to the post.

Good, it looks like there was initially a 45 but 2.5 was wedged in splitting the 45. It really seems to stay away from 45 deg. 45 really being the first angle of division in a cross.

 

[miktre]

The 47.5 is what gave me the 2.5. Before I had no Idea it derived from 144 total degrees 144x2.5=360.
Its what lead me to find 5x(144+360)=2520 or 17.5 x 144=2520. Also the 30 degree angles form 90s without using 45 degrees.

 

[keshka]

I had forgotten about this thread, but had been reminded of it recently because of the new posts.

I had this thought on the subject the other day...

The Sphinx is an idol to false gods. It was built by the ancient Egyptians as a monument to their own belief systems. The Ten Commandments clearly state that worshipping false gods or idols is prohibited.

So here's an interesting question - were the Egyptians right to build the Sphinx?

On the one hand, it seems as if the Sphinx was built wiht the blessing of the Christian God, considering how it fits nicely into this triangle.

But on the other hand, its construction was clearly against the Ten Commandments!

So is it a good thing or a bad thing that the Sphinx was built? A big question that I'm not sure I can answer!

 

[miktre]

I'm sure there will be many explanations or interpretations of this, keep looking and you'll find a conclusion you're satisfied with.