Total Depravity

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YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOUR GOV'T IS!!
there's no excuse jonathan. none.
get with it.
Zone, You don't even know who your government is. Is it Canada, or Germany, or whatever flag (country) you're in the mood for today, or for a few moments? There's no excuse for changing flags at the drop of the hat. The Kingdom of God is not produced by changing flags all the time.
What's so wrong with Canada, if that is the land you were born into?
Canada is a lot better than Saudi Arabia or Iran.
Or North Korea.
Scott

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Contrary to the common misconception, the United States is a constitutional republic and not a democracy. In a republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves and one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to confront a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people. Since September 11, 2001 we have been witnessing the destruction of our republic. Congress is gradually dismantling the Bill of Rights and the Constitution with the strong influence of the two most recent presidents. The public is distracted by a left/right paradigm that is controlled by the establishment. While the public is busy criticizing those on the other side of the paradigm, the establishment's power grab goes unchecked and our constitutional rights are further eroded. In this way national sovereignty and the freedom of individuals is being destroyed.

On October 26, 2001, American citizens' right to privacy ended with the passage of the Patriot Act. Of the 435 US Representatives, the Patriot Act was read by no one before it was voted on and passed, a violation of the Representatives' oath of office. The 342 paged bill allows for violations to citizens' rights including the search of home and property without knowledge or consent of the citizen, known as "sneak and peek" spying.

Also permitted by the bill is the indefinite imprisonment of any citizen without due process, access to the courts, or the counsel of a lawyer. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is now able to obtain records from businesses, hospitals, bookstores, and libraries for any reason and can search phone, email, and financial records without a court order.

Since the passing of the Patriot Act, a number of bills have been initiated and passed by Congress, which further violate citizens' liberties. The Military Commissions Act of October 17, 2006 assigns dictatorial powers to the president while stripping citizens of the right to habeas corpus. The John Warner National Defense Act empowers military troops to police within US cities during emergency situations to suppress public disorder and dissent, a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. The US has also engaged in torture, initiated undeclared wars, built FEMA camps that closely resemble concentration camps, encouraged the public to spy on each other, and committed several other acts that allow the government to have increased control over the lives of its citizens.

A number of groups and individuals constitute the establishment or ruling class elite and weld enormous influence over our country's policy makers. Our government servants are constantly changing laws to favor and protect global banks. While the Constitution is being destroyed, these global bankers are committing financial terrorism. The private banking cartel of the Federal Reserve has been all but openly permitted to bankrupt our country and destroy our wealth, setting up the need for a global currency. The multinational corporations as well as the technocrats of large foundations and other non-governmental organizations lobby congress with a large degree of influence as well. Seldom is it the voice of ordinary citizens the shapes the actions and opinions of our representatives in congress.

From the influence of the global powers and ruling establishment a new world order is emerging. Once only recognized by the media as mere conspiracy, it is now considered a reality as hundreds of articles across the world address this issue on a weekly basis. The standardization of one system of government throughout the world is steadily being introduced as we come into the Age of World Managers. If you look at the charter and mandate of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Royal Institute of International Affairs, you will see that the future they envision is a world of service. According to these documents, every individual's only purpose will be to serve the world state. We are living through a cultural revolution right now that is transitioning us into a world system.

The major media plays a significant role in forming social opinion as it relates to global and national events. Many people's thoughts and opinions are chiefly shaped by what they view on television. These individuals have been trained not to look at the obvious but only at what is presented to them. This country has fallen victim to a form of psychic tyranny, where we have become mind slaves of major media mainly through the use of television. If you study Stalin you will see how those in power know that the masses can be strongly influenced by repetition. The media bombards the public with repetition of certain thoughts or opinions and individuals slowly start to adopt these thoughts and opinions as their own. Lenin once said, "We shall conquer the world by the use of slogans." President Obama was elected on an array of slogans one of which was taken from a children's cartoon, "Yes We Can."

Our culture, created mainly by the mass media, has trained the public to be docile and apathetic. The people of the US have become conditioned to accept what is presented to them; they are kept in a state of ignorance as to the true on goings of our government. Rather than trust themselves, many people will only shape their opinions from those who are presented as experts or authority figures in the mass media. In this way the US resembles the beginnings of a scientific dictatorship- a managed society ruled by the intellectual elite. It will be through the use of slogans and scientific experts that the new world order will be ushered in; the establishment is ensuring a smooth transition to a global system without significant opposition from the people.

"Puggle Sam" by Nathan Janes of PUPAGANDA.com[
 
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I seems that some are having their own conversations, but if I may interject, if we do not believe in the total depravity of man, how can the truth be in us? Paul had come to a conclusion concerning his flesh in (Rom 7:18)...

For I know that in me (that is , in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

This was said by a man that was a righteous Pharisee according to the law and a converted believer according to the righteousness of God's Son, by grace through faith, and still concluded that their was NO GOOD THING!

Even our Lord Jesus Christ made this comment in (Mt 19:16,17)...

And, behold , one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do , that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Do we understand what our Lord was saying to this man?

Jm 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Lk 2:11-14 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. 12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes , lying in a manger. 13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying , 14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Rom 11:18-23 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast , thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off , that I might be graffed in . 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off , and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded , but fear : 21 For if God spared not the natural branches , take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell , severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off . 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in : for God is able to graff them in again.

Rom 15:13,14 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing , that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Spirit. 14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

Gal 5:22,23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Eph 5:9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;

2Thes 1:11,12 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: 12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Wrapping this post up, it is evidence from our Lord Jesus Christ in (Jn 15:5)...

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing .

If we, who have the Lord Jesus Christ, can do nothing without Him, what can those do that do not have Him, less than nothing. If man can do less than nothing without Him, they have nothing good to offer. There is none that doeth good, no not one!
 

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The bible says that the Holy Spirit restrains evil in the world. Almost everyone believes you shouldn't lie, you shouldn't kill people, you shouldn't steal, you shouldn't cheat on your spouse. This is because the Law of God is powerful and the Holy Spirit is restraining evil.

Without the Restrainer we would see that man is indeed Totally Depraved. Right now peoples argument is there is not Total Depravity because even non christians do good things. Do you think the Holy Spirit only affects christians? The only reason there are christians (in my opinion) is because the Holy Spirit affects everyone and some people recognize the Holy Spirits influence and want more. Some people don't.

I don't think I became a christian because I weighed all the options and made the best choice. I became a christian because the Holy Spirit has been working on me my whole life. I can look back now and see a lot of times when the Holy Spirit was acting on me and most times I wouldn't believe it. I had to find out for myself. No one could just tell me about it.

There is none that is Good, only God. We can't even make a good choice without the Lord.
 
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YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOUR GOV'T IS!!
there's no excuse jonathan. none.
get with it.

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Contrary to the common misconception, the United States is a constitutional republic and not a democracy. In a republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves and one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to confront a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people. Since September 11, 2001 we have been witnessing the destruction of our republic. Congress is gradually dismantling the Bill of Rights and the Constitution with the strong influence of the two most recent presidents. The public is distracted by a left/right paradigm that is controlled by the establishment. While the public is busy criticizing those on the other side of the paradigm, the establishment's power grab goes unchecked and our constitutional rights are further eroded. In this way national sovereignty and the freedom of individuals is being destroyed.

On October 26, 2001, American citizens' right to privacy ended with the passage of the Patriot Act. Of the 435 US Representatives, the Patriot Act was read by no one before it was voted on and passed, a violation of the Representatives' oath of office. The 342 paged bill allows for violations to citizens' rights including the search of home and property without knowledge or consent of the citizen, known as "sneak and peek" spying.

Also permitted by the bill is the indefinite imprisonment of any citizen without due process, access to the courts, or the counsel of a lawyer. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is now able to obtain records from businesses, hospitals, bookstores, and libraries for any reason and can search phone, email, and financial records without a court order.

Since the passing of the Patriot Act, a number of bills have been initiated and passed by Congress, which further violate citizens' liberties. The Military Commissions Act of October 17, 2006 assigns dictatorial powers to the president while stripping citizens of the right to habeas corpus. The John Warner National Defense Act empowers military troops to police within US cities during emergency situations to suppress public disorder and dissent, a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. The US has also engaged in torture, initiated undeclared wars, built FEMA camps that closely resemble concentration camps, encouraged the public to spy on each other, and committed several other acts that allow the government to have increased control over the lives of its citizens.

A number of groups and individuals constitute the establishment or ruling class elite and weld enormous influence over our country's policy makers. Our government servants are constantly changing laws to favor and protect global banks. While the Constitution is being destroyed, these global bankers are committing financial terrorism. The private banking cartel of the Federal Reserve has been all but openly permitted to bankrupt our country and destroy our wealth, setting up the need for a global currency. The multinational corporations as well as the technocrats of large foundations and other non-governmental organizations lobby congress with a large degree of influence as well. Seldom is it the voice of ordinary citizens the shapes the actions and opinions of our representatives in congress.

From the influence of the global powers and ruling establishment a new world order is emerging. Once only recognized by the media as mere conspiracy, it is now considered a reality as hundreds of articles across the world address this issue on a weekly basis. The standardization of one system of government throughout the world is steadily being introduced as we come into the Age of World Managers. If you look at the charter and mandate of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Royal Institute of International Affairs, you will see that the future they envision is a world of service. According to these documents, every individual's only purpose will be to serve the world state. We are living through a cultural revolution right now that is transitioning us into a world system.

The major media plays a significant role in forming social opinion as it relates to global and national events. Many people's thoughts and opinions are chiefly shaped by what they view on television. These individuals have been trained not to look at the obvious but only at what is presented to them. This country has fallen victim to a form of psychic tyranny, where we have become mind slaves of major media mainly through the use of television. If you study Stalin you will see how those in power know that the masses can be strongly influenced by repetition. The media bombards the public with repetition of certain thoughts or opinions and individuals slowly start to adopt these thoughts and opinions as their own. Lenin once said, "We shall conquer the world by the use of slogans." President Obama was elected on an array of slogans one of which was taken from a children's cartoon, "Yes We Can."

Our culture, created mainly by the mass media, has trained the public to be docile and apathetic. The people of the US have become conditioned to accept what is presented to them; they are kept in a state of ignorance as to the true on goings of our government. Rather than trust themselves, many people will only shape their opinions from those who are presented as experts or authority figures in the mass media. In this way the US resembles the beginnings of a scientific dictatorship- a managed society ruled by the intellectual elite. It will be through the use of slogans and scientific experts that the new world order will be ushered in; the establishment is ensuring a smooth transition to a global system without significant opposition from the people.

"Puggle Sam" by Nathan Janes of PUPAGANDA.com
The Government never searched my house or listened on my phone. No one I know has had any problems in the last Ten years. You try to make it sound like they are violating citizens; you don't even live in the USA. Nothing ever happens. They are probably spending all their time listening to foreign people of interest who might actually be terrorist like the Muslims on 9-11. I wouldn't be suprised if you are paranoid because ofall of your conspiracy theories.
 

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The Government never searched my house or listened on my phone. No one I know has had any problems in the last Ten years. You try to make it sound like they are violating citizens; you don't even live in the USA. Nothing ever happens. They are probably spending all their time listening to foreign people of interest who might actually be terrorist like the Muslims on 9-11. I wouldn't be suprised if you are paranoid because ofall of your conspiracy theories.
hey jonathan:
will christians be persecuted in the last days?
because right now its so called christians who are doing the persecuting. did you know that?
 
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nobody is saying 'bad' 100% of the time.
it's according to what GOD considers good, not us.

its the TERM total depravity causing all the trouble.

just call it lost, sinful, unable to save ourselves. condemned.

what difference does it make if some men do good deeds if they are condemned already without Christ?
that's all it is saying.
I largely agree, but that's really the problem (as is always the case with terminology, and why I'm so specific in expression). It becomes an issue of individual perception rather than particular understanding. (See Godhead doctrine, etc.). Entire etymologies shift meaning and usage in a language. That's why I baseline an extensive lexical approach to Greek and allow my mind/will/emotion to be conformed to the actual expression (logos) of scripture.

Too many doctrines have been shapen by bias and perception, and most of it isn't necessarily intentional or malicious. I simply don't trust the souls of men, since they're depraved.

A huge part of eschaton will be the undetectable supplanting/hybridization of the spiritual by/with the soulish. That's the fundamental impetus driving the NAR. Soulish stimulus that mimics spiritual functionality.

Arguing about Total Depravity and the extended Calvi-Armi debate is like the bi-partisan paradigm of US politics. There's a bigger picture.
 
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COMMON SENSE APPROACH

Such a totally depraved and sinful nature have we all inherited from conception through our progenitor Adam, with no if, ands or buts about it. It can not be denied, refuted, intellectualized, rationalized away or forgotten through ignorance because it abides in every living man and woman that has breath and is confirmed by those that have met up with the grave through death.

You are correct that man is born in total hereditary depravity; but, do you understand
that the serpent's curse is the curse of sin we are all born under, and that the exclusion
of the serpent's seed in the birth of the Savior (Jesus) is the exclusion of the 'male'
seed, for which cause Mary had to be a virgin. Does this not show us the we are the
children of the devil, meaning Adam is the devil?
 
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I largely agree, but that's really the problem (as is always the case with terminology, and why I'm so specific in expression). It becomes an issue of individual perception rather than particular understanding. (See Godhead doctrine, etc.). Entire etymologies shift meaning and usage in a language. That's why I baseline an extensive lexical approach to Greek and allow my mind/will/emotion to be conformed to the actual expression (logos) of scripture.

Too many doctrines have been shapen by bias and perception, and most of it isn't necessarily intentional or malicious. I simply don't trust the souls of men, since they're depraved.

A huge part of eschaton will be the undetectable supplanting/hybridization of the spiritual by/with the soulish. That's the fundamental impetus driving the NAR. Soulish stimulus that mimics spiritual functionality.

Arguing about Total Depravity and the extended Calvi-Armi debate is like the bi-partisan paradigm of US politics. There's a bigger picture.
Why don't you put the fodder down low where the sheep and goats can get to it?
 

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I largely agree, but that's really the problem (as is always the case with terminology, and why I'm so specific in expression). It becomes an issue of individual perception rather than particular understanding. (See Godhead doctrine, etc.). Entire etymologies shift meaning and usage in a language. That's why I baseline an extensive lexical approach to Greek and allow my mind/will/emotion to be conformed to the actual expression (logos) of scripture.

Too many doctrines have been shapen by bias and perception, and most of it isn't necessarily intentional or malicious. I simply don't trust the souls of men, since they're depraved.

A huge part of eschaton will be the undetectable supplanting/hybridization of the spiritual by/with the soulish. That's the fundamental impetus driving the NAR. Soulish stimulus that mimics spiritual functionality.

Arguing about Total Depravity and the extended Calvi-Armi debate is like the bi-partisan paradigm of US politics. There's a bigger picture.
well, i agree.
except that this is directly tied to the question of monergistic regeneration.

which is tied to "second blessing"

which is tied to........
 
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Bump......

Would that be the United States (US) or United States of America (USA). Few know the crucial difference. For those who don't... God help you, but you likely wouldn't believe it if you were told.

BTW... JFK was assassinated because he issued an Executive Order to return us to a precious metals standard, issue national currency, and abolish the private Fed. Reckon who might have been miffed about that?!

Everybody just tends to the 9-5, mortgage, and VISA bill while singing Kum-ba-ya.
 

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There aren't very many who know what truly happened in the Civil war. Most people think it was about freeing the slaves! LOL. It was about making slaves. After the civil war states were no longer sovereign.

Its not like there is a lot we can do about it now. If you tell people about the civil war and about the federal reserve and who really controls this country they just look at you like you are a paranoid weirdo. There seems to be only a handful of people who have their eyes open. Most people just watch TV and believe what they're told... I'm not sure why we're still allowed to have guns. That's probably next.
 
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I largely agree, but that's really the problem (as is always the case with terminology, and why I'm so specific in expression). It becomes an issue of individual perception rather than particular understanding. (See Godhead doctrine, etc.). Entire etymologies shift meaning and usage in a language. That's why I baseline an extensive lexical approach to Greek and allow my mind/will/emotion to be conformed to the actual expression (logos) of scripture.

Too many doctrines have been shapen by bias and perception, and most of it isn't necessarily intentional or malicious. I simply don't trust the souls of men, since they're depraved.

A huge part of eschaton will be the undetectable supplanting/hybridization of the spiritual by/with the soulish. That's the fundamental impetus driving the NAR. Soulish stimulus that mimics spiritual functionality.

Arguing about Total Depravity and the extended Calvi-Armi debate is like the bi-partisan paradigm of US politics. There's a bigger picture.
The bigger picture is that God sent His Son to deal with the depravity of man by becoming sin and crucifying it on the cross so that man could be reconciled to God through the new birth. The bigger picture is that we, who have been redeemed and purchased by His blood, are to occupied with taking that message as ambassadors for Christ into all the world and in every nation. This is what the church has been called to do by grace, individually and corporately, taking up their cross and following Christ into all the world and not sitting back in the comfortability of their local church setting but by being active participants as joint heirs with Christ and of His great salvation that He has procured with His own blood on the tree.
 

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There aren't very many who know what truly happened in the Civil war. Most people think it was about freeing the slaves! LOL. It was about making slaves. After the civil war states were no longer sovereign.

Its not like there is a lot we can do about it now. If you tell people about the civil war and about the federal reserve and who really controls this country they just look at you like you are a paranoid weirdo. There seems to be only a handful of people who have their eyes open. Most people just watch TV and believe what they're told... I'm not sure why we're still allowed to have guns. That's probably next.
couple more "public shootings" by mind contr...i mean deranged lone nuts should do it.
or any other reason, given the current chronologically arranged executive orders post 9-11 to seize everything.

With Reporting By Lucia Graves
WASHINGTON -- Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions of Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive action, administration officials say.

The Department of Justice held the first in what is expected to be a series of meetings on Tuesday afternoon with a group of stakeholders in the ongoing gun-policy debates. Before the meeting, officials said part of the discussion was expected to center around the White House's options for shaping policy on its own or through its adjoining agencies and departments -- on issues ranging from beefing up background checks to encouraging better data-sharing.

Administration officials said talk of executive orders or agency action are among a host of options that President Barack Obama and his advisers are considering. “The purpose of these discussions is to be a productive exchange of good ideas from folks across the spectrum,” one official said. “We think that’s a good place to start.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_836138.html
 
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The bigger picture is that God sent His Son to deal with the depravity of man by becoming sin and crucifying it on the cross so that man could be reconciled to God through the new birth. The bigger picture is that we, who have been redeemed and purchased by His blood, are to occupied with taking that message as ambassadors for Christ into all the world and in every nation. This is what the church has been called to do by grace, individually and corporately, taking up their cross and following Christ into all the world and not sitting back in the comfortability of their local church setting but by being active participants as joint heirs with Christ and of His great salvation that He has procured with His own blood on the tree.
so we empty the churches and everybody goes on the mission field?
 
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I know a lot of people do that for their own gain, but I don't believe that is true of every action that every person takes.
And everything that they do will mean nothing to God unless they come to know Jesus Christ. Total Depravity prevents us from boasting in ourselves.

Think of it this way: you did indeed open the door to let Him in and dine wih you... But before you could open the door, He had to stand before that door and knock first.
 

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couple more "public shootings" by mind contr...i mean deranged lone nuts should do it.
or any other reason, given the current chronologically arranged executive orders post 9-11 to seize everything.

With Reporting By Lucia Graves
WASHINGTON -- Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions of Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive action, administration officials say.

The Department of Justice held the first in what is expected to be a series of meetings on Tuesday afternoon with a group of stakeholders in the ongoing gun-policy debates. Before the meeting, officials said part of the discussion was expected to center around the White House's options for shaping policy on its own or through its adjoining agencies and departments -- on issues ranging from beefing up background checks to encouraging better data-sharing.

Administration officials said talk of executive orders or agency action are among a host of options that President Barack Obama and his advisers are considering. “The purpose of these discussions is to be a productive exchange of good ideas from folks across the spectrum,” one official said. “We think that’s a good place to start.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_836138.html
Don't get me started on the 2nd amendment.! It will cause me to back slide and I will need to ask the Lord for forgiveness. Basically the right to license is the right to take away. Almost all the laws about guns are an infringement of the 2nd amendment. But how long has it been since this country followed the constitution anyway? Of course the appearance of following a constitution is still around. I suppose that is good...
 
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There aren't very many who know what truly happened in the Civil war. Most people think it was about freeing the slaves! LOL. It was about making slaves. After the civil war states were no longer sovereign.

Its not like there is a lot we can do about it now. If you tell people about the civil war and about the federal reserve and who really controls this country they just look at you like you are a paranoid weirdo. There seems to be only a handful of people who have their eyes open. Most people just watch TV and believe what they're told... I'm not sure why we're still allowed to have guns. That's probably next.
Yep, it's all tied in. Everyone is a dual citizen of the US and the USA. Being the first abrogates the sovereign benefits of the second, exchanging rights for privileges. The Coinage Act, etc. are just chapters in this story.

Too bad nobody cares and think those who do are wearing armadillo headgear with tinfoil antennae.
 
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This has to be a TOTALLY DEPRAVED THREAD...xD
 
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so we empty the churches and everybody goes on the mission field?
For someone that has the ability to think things through, you have not done a good job here. But to help you out in this dilemma you are having, and to answer your question it goes like this.

The NT church has many locations and local expressions of the body of Christ. In these local assemblies we are called by God to teach and train up believers and they learn what it means to be a member and active participant in the body of Christ together with others. They learn how to apply many of the doctrine they learn by being and serving together. When and if God calls them to go out, who are being lead in the will of God through the Holy Spirit, we lay hands on them and send them out and support them until they can be indigenous on their own.

As a local church, if we are called to stay at home and give of our time and of ourselves, we do everything we can to make sure others can go. We provide in that local assembly a loving body and family where believers can grow and be nurtured in the grace and love of God, even when they fail. A place where they can be taught the word and doctrine and have the opportunity to apply what they know through the work of the ministry.

The local church that functions as an living organism and not just an organization, is called by God to teach the word and doctrine and to preach the gospel locally and abroad. Everyone is called to serve in some capacity either locally or in the uttermost parts of the mission field, and the great thing about it is that they are of one mind and one heart, because they are one body having one head, Christ. That is oneness in the body of Christ, a group of totally depraved and imperfect blood bought redeemed sinners working under one head , by grace through faith, to fulfill the will of God in all the world, as the one new man.
 

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Don't get me started on the 2nd amendment.! It will cause me to back slide and I will need to ask the Lord for forgiveness. Basically the right to license is the right to take away. Almost all the laws about guns are an infringement of the 2nd amendment. But how long has it been since this country followed the constitution anyway? Of course the appearance of following a constitution is still around. I suppose that is good...
well, here in kanada we have the right to be assaulted, or the right to be killed by a bear.
that's about it.

we can go to jail for hurting home invaders.
or hurting people's feelings.