deliverance ministry

[Abiding]

Actually this is a field im particulary a bit educated in and may have read 100 times more than most. And I also
am fairly experienced. So it isnt ignorance that has me responding...its the welfare of the believer, who in a time
of deep need is going to be mangled by the likes of this type of deception. More later...........

 

[AnandaHya]

But Jesus commanded the spirit not to enter in again

exactly.

that is why I believe it is false to teach that Christians can have demons in their Flesh while the Holy Spirit lives in their hearts.

It a lie and the Bible does NOT teach it. people want to add it to the Bible but temptation of the FLESH are not the same as temptation by demons.

we are commanded to control the flesh and cast out demons. there is a difference between the two and to blur the lines is asking for trouble and deception and giving demons more power/credit then they actually have.

 

[MaggieMye]

Yes, Jesus commanded them to not return....which any decent deliverance minister needs to do.

AnandHya, could we agree that Believers could have demons ON them?

Maggie

 

[AnandaHya]

they mainly hang around those who are double minded. Mostly those new in the faith who haven't drunk enough milk and haven't move on to meat and rightly dividing good and evil.


James 4:6-8
New King James Version (NKJV)
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:


“ God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.”[a]

7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

Hebrews 5:12-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

God places a hedge around His little ones.

 

[AnandaHya]

Psalm 139

For the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David.

1 O LORD, You have searched me and known me.
2 You know my sitting down and my rising up;
You understand my thought afar off.
3 You comprehend my path and my lying down,
And are acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word on my tongue,
But behold, O LORD, You know it altogether.
5 You have hedged me behind and before,
And laid Your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
It is high, I cannot attain it.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I've seen demons before. Not in someone, but in a vision. I've also had dreams about demons. I believe they are real. I believe God only allows us to go through what we can handle. So I believe that mature Christians are more likely to encounter demons. Demons are not in Christians in any way. Christians don't have demons. That's crazy.

 

[Abiding]

Yes, Jesus commanded them to not return....which any decent deliverance minister needs to do.

AnandHya, could we agree that Believers could have demons ON them?

Maggie

Id totally agree Christians could have demon manifestations "around" them, and even
believe they could be deceiving them or luring them.....but ordering the demons
around wont accomplish anything...maybe for a minute or two.

The believer has to take thought captive...learn to live by the Word, obey, pray, resist.
In otherwords the need is to renew the mind and obey. Thats what their armor is.
Which is just saying they need the gospel then become a disciple.

Interfering with this process and trying to microwave deliverance is not going to work.
Having a believer think he was possessed when he had his flesh overwhelming his life
is just going to wig him out....then each time in his growth he has a battle he will
think he is possessed. Rather than see his flesh. I know this for a fact....ive councelled
such people the spiritual warfare folk have messed up..and its sad to say the least.

 

[AnandaHya]

"The believer has to take thought captive...learn to live by the Word, obey, pray, resist."

I've found praying is the most effective thing and reading God's Word. Normally the Holy Spirit will lead you to the verses to resist whatever temptation the enemy tries and gets you to stumble over and ensnare you again in sin.

1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

When one is saved the enemy has been cast out and no longer within a person but the HOLY Spirit protects and guides the soul towards God's upward call.

Upon praying to God He sends His servants to take care of the demon problem and you can just focus on resisting and obey God and TRUST God to handle the supernatural side of things.

therefore the only offensive weapons a person has is the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God and prayer.the rest is for DEFENSE and enabling the person to RESIST until God decides to get rid of the pesky demon problem for you.

 

[Abiding]

Exactly

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:


Col 1:13 Who HATH delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the kingdom of his dear Son

 

[pickles]

As to the original question in this thread, I do not embarace anything that is not spoken to or named in scripture.
Not because I say all is bad, but my abuility to understand is limited to the scriptures and the understanding in Jesus given through the Holy Spirit.

I always wonder at why we need to give new names to what is already given in the name of Jesus in scriptures, someone creating a new way filled with info on what we are to do.
When scripture already does this.
Maby Im just cautious, but Ill stick with what scriptrue speaks to.

When it comes to demons residing in one, I look to the parable Jesus told about the house that was cleaned, it speaks to if one does not call Jesus to live in this house, that the demon will return with many more.
So this tells us that when Jesus resides in one, no demon can live there.

I do as well question the statement that God brings evil , sin.
I remember reading scripture where it spoke to this, saying God gives no streangth for sin, for He abhors evil.
I took this to say that God did not create sin or evil, that the angels who turned against Him became evil, sin by rejecting Him.
Scripture does say that God will reliece one to their own depravity though.

An interesting thought came to mind as I was recalling the scripture that said God gives no streangth for sin, one has to ask where evil gets its streangth, power?
It hit me then that this is why evil comes to steal , kill and destroy, for it is given no streangth, so it must take it from those that live.
Your thoughts on this? Or do I speak agaist scripture in any way?

God bless
pickles

 

[AnandaHya]

An interesting thought came to mind as I was recalling the scripture that said God gives no streangth for sin, one has to ask where evil gets its streangth, power?

It hit me then that this is why evil comes to steal , kill and destroy, for it is given no streangth, so it must take it from those that live.
Your thoughts on this? Or do I speak agaist scripture in any way?

God bless
pickles

I agree with your statements pickles and think that is why some value numbers more than quality discipleship. evil gets its power from its disciples but Jesus disciples get their power from God.

 

[Abiding]

James says clearly that sin comes from thoughts...from our lustful thinking...not that the devil or the world helps
but it is from us. If we dont take thoughts captive...kick em out then we will talk ourselves into sin. Blaming the
devil is a copout. We are in control or we are out of control. But we never have anything but ourselves holding us back
from humbling ourself before the Father who will lift us.

Our thoughts come from our affections, and our affections come from God or our carnal mind. Without prayer for His grace
which is free for the asking were in deep weeds.

 

[damombomb]

James says clearly that sin comes from thoughts...from our lustful thinking...not that the devil or the world helps
but it is from us. If we dont take thoughts captive...kick em out then we will talk ourselves into sin. Blaming the
devil is a copout. We are in control or we are out of control. But we never have anything but ourselves holding us back
from humbling ourself before the Father who will lift us.

Our thoughts come from our affections, and our affections come from God or our carnal mind. Without prayer for His grace
which is free for the asking were in deep weeds.

Yes this is true, if we harbor unforgiveness,resentment, anger,or secret sins in our heart or life, it is our own fault.It is not a spirit,it is sin not repented of or dealt with.If we say we love God, but dont
forgive our neighbor or such,it is against God

 

[Abiding]

Yes this is true, if we harbor unforgiveness,resentment, anger,or secret sins in our heart or life, it is our own fault.It is not a spirit,it is sin not repented of or dealt with.If we say we love God, but dont
forgive our neighbor or such,it is against God

Yes Jesus being sinless without a sin nature said: John 14:



28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I ago unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me..

31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me acommandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence


Sin comes from our carnal nature not the devil...from our affections.

 

[Abiding]

When our affections are holy the devil hath nothing in us.
Spiritual warfare deliverance is worthless... dangerous. Its the heart that needs changed.
By the Word of God...dealing with externals isnt going to do any good. Whom may he devour?
Sin is the problem not the parasites.

 

[damombomb]

When our affections are holy the devil hath nothing in us.
Spiritual warfare deliverance is worthless... dangerous. Its the heart that needs changed.
By the Word of God...dealing with externals isnt going to do any good. Whom may he devour?
Sin is the problem not the parasites.

Yes Abiding,I met a women once who seemed to have spiritual issues,it was unforgiveness because
her dad had abused her as a child,she caring for him in his old age, as long as she didn,t forgive him
he would retain the sin, but if she forgave him he would be loosed from the sin.
People who have been hurt like her may have to ask Jesus to help them forgive,so they themselves
can be free

 

[Abiding]

Yes Abiding,I met a women once who seemed to have spiritual issues,it was unforgiveness because
her dad had abused her as a child,she caring for him in his old age, as long as she didn,t forgive him
he would retain the sin, but if she forgave him he would be loosed from the sin.
People who have been hurt like her may have to ask Jesus to help them forgive,so they themselves
can be free

Yes ive experienced bitterness....probably the fastest way to destroy your soul ive ever seen.
Just traps everyone involved doesnt it?

 

[damombomb]

Yes ive experienced bitterness....probably the fastest way to destroy your soul ive ever seen.
Just traps everyone involved doesnt it?

Absolutely!!!

 

[Abiding]

Thinking about deliverance in general...thinking of all who have come to me for
council...it got to be that the first question id ask was....."tell me about your prayerlife"
Id seen that the condition of the person matched their prayerlife.

Ive talked to people who have went to church for a few years, and were afraid to pray. I mean
they had no private prayerlife...none...yet struggled to live for the Lord...we cant presume anything!
I really got to thinking that i had a deliverance ministry...delivering them from prayerlessness. LOL
Simply by teaching them to pray and praying with them to start...they were set free.

Its amazing how important small things we can overlook are keeping them in bondage.
Again deliverance comes from obedience. Imagine people who are afraid to talk to
God for years. I was so surprised, but it isnt uncommon i found out. I cant imagine one
day without prayer...id dry up and blow away.

 

[damombomb]

Thinking about deliverance in general...thinking of all who have come to me for
council...it got to be that the first question id ask was....."tell me about your prayerlife"
Id seen that the condition of the person matched their prayerlife.

Ive talked to people who have went to church for a few years, and were afraid to pray. I mean
they had no private prayerlife...none...yet struggled to live for the Lord...we cant presume anything!
I really got to thinking that i had a deliverance ministry...delivering them from prayerlessness. LOL
Simply by teaching them to pray and praying with them to start...they were set free.

Its amazing how important small things we can overlook are keeping them in bondage.
Again deliverance comes from obedience. Imagine people who are afraid to talk to
God for years. I was so surprised, but it isnt uncommon i found out. I cant imagine one
day without prayer...id dry up and blow away.[/quote


Yes, lol Jesus said obedience is better than sacrifice, prayer is very important.