Who are the sons of God?

[Laodicea]

notIbutChrist + Laodicea if you read my post you knew where from, I posted the scriptures, read again, not reposting! Where I came up with the idea that angels took the women of men? I didn't come up with that - I posted the scripture right out of the BIBLE - it says it explicitly in some translations, I gave you explanations and proof, why are you asking that again? Did you even read my post at all? Or do you just not want to understand? Is it too much to handle?

Also demons and angels are two entirely different creatures, with different meanings in the original Greek and Hebrew.
Well I could ask the same question, now you proof to me that the fallen angels turned into demons, where is that written, got scripture for that?
No it's just someone making up some fairy tales and assumptions, then it's taught from the pulpits and people just swallowing it and just repeating it... I have been there before, I made the same mistake!

Is the word demon even in the Bible? Can't see it in the KJV. Use the KJV some versions are corrupt. Although the Strong's concordance has this meaning for devil.
G1139
δαιμονίζομαι
daimonizomai
dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee
Middle voice from G1142; to be exercised by a daemon: - have a (be vexed with, be possessed with) devil (-s).

 

[Warrior777]

Actually I wanted to write devils, when I am quoting scripture for proof I usually quote KJV (unless I need to pull other translations into it for clarification), but I am so used to call them demons...
but that doesn't make a difference in this case, same thing, different expression. Actually 'demon' is closer to the Greek as you found out, but it's G1140 daimonion - δαιμόνιον -
G1139 daimonizomai - is more like demonized

Jesus cast out devils - not fallen angels! Angels do not live in people like demons can.

 

[Laodicea]

Actually I wanted to write devils, when I am quoting scripture for proof I usually quote KJV (unless I need to pull other translations into it for clarification), but I am so used to call them demons...
but that doesn't make a difference in this case, same thing, different expression. Actually 'demon' is closer to the Greek as you found out, but it's G1140 daimonion - δαιμόνιον -
G1139 daimonizomai - is more like demonized

Jesus cast out devils - not fallen angels! Angels do not live in people like demons can.

Devils are fallen angels
Revelation 12:7-9
(7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Isaiah 14:12
(12) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

 

[AnandaHya]

That is what I think he is even trying to tell us that God created demons to be demons, where do they get these ideas?

book of enoch, that is where many ideas that claim to be Christian come from and are infritrating the church.

gnostic texts accompanied by its own set of demons you can open the door to your mind and communication with them and their ideas by willfully reading their words without a firm foundation in the Bible and against warnings of the Holy Spirit.

If you pray and ask God to be with you when you read and you compare EVERYTHING you read from that book with the accept scriptures you will be ok but most have not even read the WHOLE Bible yet read these texts and are easily deceived and confused.

I know I was until I went back and saw the purpose for various thoughts and ideas put forth in the book of Enoch that contradict the purpose and words of the Bible.

gnostics they are sneaking and come in many forms but all go back to that forbidden fruit of secret knowledge. It is still tempting for many to try and discover the hidden magical arts sugar coated with the names of peity and religion.

i guess we really need to pray about it all.

 

[journey41]

I know I was until I went back and saw the purpose for various thoughts and ideas put forth in the book of Enoch that contradict the purpose and words of the Bible.

Can you give some examples please to back up what you are proclaiming?

 

[journey41]

Sons of God in the OT mean born of God. So, yes Adam was a son of God because he was born of God and not of woman. Likewise, angels are born of God too and they are the sons of God.

Be assured that it does mean that angels came to earth and procreated with human women. You can get a much better understanding of this account in the book of Enoch.

[/QUOTE]Yes, correct. Even without the book of Enoch, we get the drift.

 

[Laodicea]

[/QUOTE]Yes, correct. Even without the book of Enoch, we get the drift.

This is the meaning of the word sons in Genesis 6:2:-
H1121
בּן
bên
bane
From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1, H251, etc.): - + afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-]ite, [anoint-]ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-]ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant[-est], whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.

It is not translated as angel

 

[Laodicea]

Can you give some examples please to back up what you are proclaiming?

If Enoch wrote this then it would have been written before the flood, here are some things which don't agree with the Bible
1. Observe ye everything that takes place in the heaven, how they do not change their orbits, ⌈and⌉ the luminaries which are in the heaven, how they all rise and set in order each in its season, and transgress not against their appointed order. 2. Behold ye the earth, and give heed to the things which take place upon it from first to last, ⌈how steadfast they are⌉, how ⌈none of the things upon earth⌉ change, ⌈but⌉ all the works of God appear ⌈to you⌉. 3. Behold the summer and the winter, ⌈⌈how the whole earth is filled with water, and clouds and dew and rain lie upon it⌉⌉.
Genesis 8:22
(22) While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

The first mention of summer and winter in the Bible is after the flood. When God created the earth it had a water canopy around it so the environment would have been alot different before the flood.
Genesis 1:6-7
(6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
(7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

Here is another
1. Then said the Most High, the Holy and Great One spake, and sent Uriel to the son of Lamech, and said to him: 2. '〈Go to Noah〉 and tell him in my name "Hide thyself!" and reveal to him the end that is approaching: that the whole earth will be destroyed, and a deluge is about to come upon the whole earth, and will destroy all that is on it. 3. And now instruct him that he may escape and his seed may be preserved for all the generations of the world.'
Genesis 6:13
(13) And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

The book of Enoch has Uriel speaking to Noah the Bible has God speaking to Noah. There is no mention of a Uriel in the Bible till long after the flood.

Also another point is that Genesis 6 would have happened after Enoch was taken to heaven.

 

[Laodicea]

book of enoch, that is where many ideas that claim to be Christian come from and are infritrating the church.

gnostic texts accompanied by its own set of demons you can open the door to your mind and communication with them and their ideas by willfully reading their words without a firm foundation in the Bible and against warnings of the Holy Spirit.

If you pray and ask God to be with you when you read and you compare EVERYTHING you read from that book with the accept scriptures you will be ok but most have not even read the WHOLE Bible yet read these texts and are easily deceived and confused.

I know I was until I went back and saw the purpose for various thoughts and ideas put forth in the book of Enoch that contradict the purpose and words of the Bible.

gnostics they are sneaking and come in many forms but all go back to that forbidden fruit of secret knowledge. It is still tempting for many to try and discover the hidden magical arts sugar coated with the names of peity and religion.

i guess we really need to pray about it all.

Thanks for the info I have not read the book of Enoch until now, it is not that hard to find errors. It looks like they have taken wording and names in the Bible and have added there own information as well to support false doctrine. It was probably written after the apostles. Paul even said people were making false copies of the scripture.
2 Thessalonians 2:2
(2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

 

[AnandaHya]

Thanks for the info I have not read the book of Enoch until now, it is not that hard to find errors. It looks like they have taken wording and names in the Bible and have added there own information as well to support false doctrine. It was probably written after the apostles. Paul even said people were making false copies of the scripture.
2 Thessalonians 2:2
(2) That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

no prob.

thanks for answering Journey's question for me.

i really didn't want to wade through the lies again to pull out examples.

there are a lot more but personally after identifying seven or eight lies and contradictions to scripture I stop reading it as a message from God and put it in my "fiction, made believed stories by active imaginations of men who may or may not be demonically influenced." If I have time or reason I go back and see a lot of people's thoughts are very similar to the things written in the text and I find out their false doctrines that directly contradict the Bible stem from reading books like the Book of Enoch, the Koran, the Bhavagad Gita and other such things. Sometimes they are not even aware of the seed that was planted and which had taken root and infritrated their other thoughts and how they read and view the Bible and their life.

tares amongst the wheat I guess...that is why babes get milk before they are allowed to try solid food.

 

[Laodicea]

no prob.

thanks for answering Journey's question for me.

i really didn't want to wade through the lies again to pull out examples.

there are a lot more but personally after identifying seven or eight lies and contradictions to scripture I stop reading it as a message from God and put it in my "fiction, made believed stories by active imaginations of men who may or may not be demonically influenced." If I have time or reason I go back and see a lot of people's thoughts are very similar to the things written in the text and I find out their false doctrines that directly contradict the Bible stem from reading books like the Book of Enoch, the Koran, the Bhavagad Gita and other such things. Sometimes they are not even aware of the seed that was planted and which had taken root and infritrated their other thoughts and how they read and view the Bible and their life.

tares amongst the wheat I guess...that is why babes get milk before they are allowed to try solid food.

There is a saying in the book of Enoch that I noticed it continually refers to God as the Lord of the spirits while the Bible does not call God that.

 

[AnandaHya]

yes and the Koran describes a "Lord" who sounds like the Bible's version of the anti-Christ. same idea and purpose.

there are a lot of other issues i'm not sure I can really get into it all, makes my head spin if I read too much of the text from the book of Enoch and then I have to take a nap or read more Bible scriptures until it goes away.

 

[Laodicea]

yes and the Koran describes a "Lord" who sounds like the Bible's version of the anti-Christ. same idea and purpose.

there are a lot of other issues i'm not sure I can really get into it all, makes my head spin if I read too much of the text from the book of Enoch and then I have to take a nap or read more Bible scriptures until it goes away.

Yes they can side track a person. The most important thing is the gospel. It was preached to Abraham the sacrifices in the OT preached the gospel the NT has the gospels first.

 

[notIbutChrist]

I agree with everything you have said Laodicia, and just to mention, in Genesis 6 it never even calls the giants or ''Nephilim'' the children of the union between sons of God, and daughters of man. Their children were actually the renown men, not the giants.

 

[Laodicea]

I agree with everything you have said Laodicia, and just to mention, in Genesis 6 it never even calls the giants or ''Nephilim'' the children of the union between sons of God, and daughters of man. Their children were actually the renown men, not the giants.

That is true, everything lived longer and was bigger before the flood. As I said before concerning the book of Enoch that Genesis 6 happened after Enoch was taken to heaven so how could he write about it if he was not around?

 

[Abiding]

ok now that ive said speculation cant be argued. And there isnt ample proof of a possible
crossbreeding...ive done exhaustive study through "and after those days"...and the extermination
of certain caananites who were giants. Some with 6 fingers and 6 toes. And maybe discuss these 2 verses

Jude 6-7
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Comment on the words "even as"

 

[Laodicea]

ok now that ive said speculation cant be argued. And there isnt ample proof of a possible
crossbreeding...ive done exhaustive study through "and after those days"...and the extermination
of certain caananites who were giants. Some with 6 fingers and 6 toes. And maybe discuss these 2 verses

Jude 6-7
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Comment on the words "even as"

It is speaking about those who believe not.
Jude 1:5
(5) I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

 

[notIbutChrist]

ok now that ive said speculation cant be argued. And there isnt ample proof of a possible
crossbreeding...ive done exhaustive study through "and after those days"...and the extermination
of certain caananites who were giants. Some with 6 fingers and 6 toes. And maybe discuss these 2 verses

Jude 6-7
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Comment on the words "even as"

First you need to read verse 5

Jude:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Even as is a reference to another example of the wicked being judged.

similar manner to these is speaking of Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them in ''simular manner'' as Sodom and Gomorrah, is was not comparing Sodom and Gomorrah to the fallen angles

sexual immorality This is like I said is speaking of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in like manner committing sexual immorality, not angles.

strange flesh The strange flesh is men on men, not angels with women

 

[Abiding]

First you need to read verse 5

Jude:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Even as is a reference to another example of the wicked being judged.

similar manner to these is speaking of Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them in ''simular manner'' as Sodom and Gomorrah, is was not comparing Sodom and Gomorrah to the fallen angles

sexual immorality This is like I said is speaking of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in like manner committing sexual immorality, not angles.

strange flesh The strange flesh is men on men, not angels with women

Your probably right yet between v5 and 6 it says "and". It would be fine to have said "and" between v6 and v7
yet it changes to "even as". then "in like manner" followed only by fornication and going after strange flesh.
It impossible to seperate sodom and gomorrah from the angels, written the way it is.

 

[notIbutChrist]

Your probably right yet between v5 and 6 it says "and". It would be fine to have said "and" between v6 and v7
yet it changes to "even as".

I see what you are saying but, the angles were held in chains under darkness until judgment, even as Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by fire. The sins of these two groups have nothing to do with one another the like manner was as I said Sodom,, Gomorrah, and the cities around them