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Sorry, julieannie, the truth hurts, and, I have yet to see Social face 'it.'
Just apologize, dudes, Yeah , you too, deej. Just because YOU DIDN'T mean to hurt someone doesn't mean YOU DIDN'T HURT someone. Just because you THINK you have said nothing wrong doesn't mean you have said nothing wrong.
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And, julieannie, this is not directed at you, yes, you are a single mom with kids but you lost your husband to illness and, that is quité different than some other ladies with kids on c.c.
I would think anyway, that social (and deej) insultive words would not have struck a personal chord with you at all.
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The Lord leads. I have nothing in this, not married, no kids, tho 43 , no baggage, never slept with a lady, hará, tasa, yada, bla. Blah, blech, that is WHAT'S come out of deej and Sosh, and, they , I feel , should do something about it? Am i wrong ?
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Sorry, julieannie, the truth hurts, and, I have yet to see Social face 'it.'
Just apologize, dudes, Yeah , you too, deej. Just because YOU DIDN'T mean to hurt someone doesn't mean YOU DIDN'T HURT someone. Just because you THINK you have said nothing wrong doesn't mean you have said nothing wrong.
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And, julieannie, this is not directed at you, yes, you are a single mom with kids but you lost your husband to illness and, that is quité different than some other ladies with kids on c.c.
I would think anyway, that social (and deej) insultive words would not have struck a personal chord with you at all.
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The Lord leads. I have nothing in this, not married, no kids, tho 43 , no baggage, never slept with a lady, hará, tasa, yada, bla. Blah, blech, that is WHAT'S come out of deej and Sosh, and, they , I feel , should do something about it? Am i wrong ?
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No, julieannie, I was just about to leave this alone but Lord not leading me that way , and , I think you are choosing to support someone who really voiciferously attacked the ladies with his comments....
Deej said to Nods the above blockquote , and, I don't care the context, the comment was insultive, completely unnecessary, just one of the littany of 'those' social, and, dj have made in this thread.
No, julieannie, I was just about to leave this alone but Lord not leading me that way , and , I think you are choosing to support someone who really voiciferously attacked the ladies with his comments....
Deej said to Nods the above blockquote , and, I don't care the context, the comment was insultive, completely unnecessary, just one of the littany of 'those' social, and, dj have made in this thread.
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You thought wrong. I was no less insulted than any of the other single moms, as no distinction was made regarding widows at any time, and now you have needlessly added to that insult with your assumptions, which is exactly what I was talking about above. Even if that were not the case, when one part of the body is hurt, it affects us all...or it SHOULD per scripture.
This is just a chat forum. Nobody died. People express opinions and we aren't going to agree with all of them. Jesus didn't tell us to beat a confession out of a brother in Christ. Conviction is the job of the Holy Spirit. Jesus called US to truth and forgiveness. We have spoken truth to him, whether he accepts it or not is not up to us, it's up to God. I have forgiven him regarding of whether he ever accepts it, as has Catlynn and some of the other godly, classy ladies here. We, ourselves, are forgiven in measure equal to our forgiveness of others. We need to remember this above all.
We are called to correct error within the body, but once that has been done, Paul tells us that we are to restore a brother, not continue to beat him down. Can you not see from his last few posts that continuing to do so will only cause a brother to dig in his heels and harden his heart? I don't want to be responsible for that and I can't imagine you do either.
This thread is a black hole that is sucking life from this forum and some of us would like very much to see it fade away.
This is just a chat forum. Nobody died. People express opinions and we aren't going to agree with all of them. Jesus didn't tell us to beat a confession out of a brother in Christ. Conviction is the job of the Holy Spirit. Jesus called US to truth and forgiveness. We have spoken truth to him, whether he accepts it or not is not up to us, it's up to God. I have forgiven him regarding of whether he ever accepts it, as has Catlynn and some of the other godly, classy ladies here. We, ourselves, are forgiven in measure equal to our forgiveness of others. We need to remember this above all.
We are called to correct error within the body, but once that has been done, Paul tells us that we are to restore a brother, not continue to beat him down. Can you not see from his last few posts that continuing to do so will only cause a brother to dig in his heels and harden his heart? I don't want to be responsible for that and I can't imagine you do either.
This thread is a black hole that is sucking life from this forum and some of us would like very much to see it fade away.
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You are not in your 20s either, julieannie. And, sorry, then, if I insulted you.
Anyway, I don't care to discuss this, and, I could care less if some single mothers adopted or blah, blah, blah, this, that, the other. The point is that Sosh, and, Deej, both said insultive, and, really, it was more a level of hateful, and, on some level, I even call it abusive. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. There is nothing wrong with that. I am not upset AT ALL with Deej or Sosh for not wanting to date single women with kids, it is their REMARKS demeaning, debasing, and, degrading them and that is not what Jesus would do, ever .
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Like I said too, julieannie, the ones that have hurt have not apologized, I am going to make this my last post on this IF:
1: Catlynn says she is over these twos' remarks. I know already she forgave them, and, THAT was a beautiful thing she did.
2. Nods hasn't commented lately, maybe she is mad too. She could say that she just brushed off these twos' pitiful remarks. She could ALSO ask for an apology.
Those are TWO that he attacked, he also shot down KIWICA and some others too, it's a plentiful list, I am pretty sure, but I only went through a few back pages, not all. It really disgusts me too to see the words these two chose to use, and, they probably care less, fine, but I think they are making a BIG mistake not apologizing.
It was hurtful what they said to some I am sure that read this, they just have not come forward to say anything, and, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO.
It would take ONE word from Deej and Sosh to END this thread .
Sorry.
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The Lord leads. Let Him lead, Deej, Sosh, I have nothing with this thread, like I said before, but you do. I am sorry too, ladies, not, just too julieannie, with what I may have said hurting you. I only try to speak the words of God put on my heart and, trust me, I get NO enjoyment belittling Deej and Sosh, they just treated single ladies wtih kids unrespectful and I have a SOFT spot in my heart for them, all, but especially the youngest raising kids on their own.
You are not in your 20s either, julieannie. And, sorry, then, if I insulted you.
Anyway, I don't care to discuss this, and, I could care less if some single mothers adopted or blah, blah, blah, this, that, the other. The point is that Sosh, and, Deej, both said insultive, and, really, it was more a level of hateful, and, on some level, I even call it abusive. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. There is nothing wrong with that. I am not upset AT ALL with Deej or Sosh for not wanting to date single women with kids, it is their REMARKS demeaning, debasing, and, degrading them and that is not what Jesus would do, ever .
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Like I said too, julieannie, the ones that have hurt have not apologized, I am going to make this my last post on this IF:
1: Catlynn says she is over these twos' remarks. I know already she forgave them, and, THAT was a beautiful thing she did.
2. Nods hasn't commented lately, maybe she is mad too. She could say that she just brushed off these twos' pitiful remarks. She could ALSO ask for an apology.
Those are TWO that he attacked, he also shot down KIWICA and some others too, it's a plentiful list, I am pretty sure, but I only went through a few back pages, not all. It really disgusts me too to see the words these two chose to use, and, they probably care less, fine, but I think they are making a BIG mistake not apologizing.
It was hurtful what they said to some I am sure that read this, they just have not come forward to say anything, and, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO.
It would take ONE word from Deej and Sosh to END this thread .
Sorry.
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The Lord leads. Let Him lead, Deej, Sosh, I have nothing with this thread, like I said before, but you do. I am sorry too, ladies, not, just too julieannie, with what I may have said hurting you. I only try to speak the words of God put on my heart and, trust me, I get NO enjoyment belittling Deej and Sosh, they just treated single ladies wtih kids unrespectful and I have a SOFT spot in my heart for them, all, but especially the youngest raising kids on their own.
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Well Mr. Green, I am, in the words of Ruby Rhod, super green!!! It's God's job to deal with people's heart, not mine. I greatly appreciate you taking such a strong stance for us single moms. I do have to agree with Jullianna on the point that I don't feel as though arguing our points will really do much at all any longer. We won't all agree. I do think though that we should show love. Pray for them (which I'm sure you already are) and pray for healing for those other ladies who may have been hurt. Trust God to work in others. He can and will.
I hold no grudges nor am I angry with anyone on this matter.
I hold no grudges nor am I angry with anyone on this matter.
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Let this black hole of a thread serve as a witness to all as an example of the evil unforgiveness can accomplish within a body of believers. Even those who seek peace come under attack.
2 Corinthians 2: 5 But if anyone has caused grief, he has not grieved me, but all of you to some extent—not to be too severe. 6 This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man, 7 so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow. 8 Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him. 9 For to this end I also wrote, that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. 10 Now whom you forgive anything, I also forgive. For if indeed I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven that one[a] for your sakes in the presence of Christ, 11 lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.
2 Corinthians 2: 5 But if anyone has caused grief, he has not grieved me, but all of you to some extent—not to be too severe. 6 This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man, 7 so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow. 8 Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him. 9 For to this end I also wrote, that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. 10 Now whom you forgive anything, I also forgive. For if indeed I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven that one[a] for your sakes in the presence of Christ, 11 lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.
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Well Mr. Green, I am, in the words of Ruby Rhod, super green!!! It's God's job to deal with people's heart, not mine. I greatly appreciate you taking such a strong stance for us single moms. I do have to agree with Jullianna on the point that I don't feel as though arguing our points will really do much at all any longer. We won't all agree. I do think though that we should show love. Pray for them (which I'm sure you already are) and pray for healing for those other ladies who may have been hurt. Trust God to work in others. He can and will.
I hold no grudges nor am I angry with anyone on this matter.
I hold no grudges nor am I angry with anyone on this matter.
Thanks, Catty, that is good enough for me.
I would like to tell one story to everyone on this thread's subject and maybe why I feel the way I do so strongly. It is my sister.
I did say that I would end my thoughts against THE ACTIONS (YES! Words are actions! ) of deej and Sosh, the Lord leads, but I am going to go now and think of how to say it as I work if Catty allows because I did say if Nods or Catty came on I would stop .
Catty?
Ok, you are insulted too, julieannie, as I said, I am sorry your feelings were hurt too. Personally, if I hurt people the Lord convicts my heart to apologize to those I hurt and believe me you , djness and social artist decreased their like in christian chat exponentially I think so my comments although more than a little bit harsh are meant for them to see the error of their acts and get on with just chatting and having fun with the rest of us in here .
Hey, don't get me wrong , they hit a nerve with me, and, between THIS and things of young people choosing to stay pure, WILL get nothing but wrathful thoughts from me. The Lord leads .
The Lord spoke too, Jesus we are speaking of here, it wasn't a sin either when Jesus harshly reprimanded the people that were doing things ungodly, like moneychangers in God's house.
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I am not accountable to you, julieannie, but I am to God and I have never had to do any forgiveness to social artist and djness, LOL , I am not a single mom with kids. I am not asking Amy forgiveness to me.
Where do I say that ?
I am simple asking dj and SC to do the right thing, WJWD.
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I am a single mom too. We are such bad people aren't we? To love and nurture our children. Who cares how they got here. A baby is a blessing...... What's funny is many single guys don't seem to realize is that us mothers are normally more mature due to us having to take care of another life....and when a guy complains about there not being any single women it just shows they aren't mature enough to handle a mature woman who has real responsibilities. Just my thoughts. Maybe they should stick to dating girls.
BTW, how many people told you that you look like Bella on Twilight?
GreenNnice's butchering people's screen names and generally unreadable posts are probably what most annoys me about this thread.
With one rare exception I like single moms. They seem to have a maturity that most of their non-motherly counterparts lack. Especially as Christians, they seem to grasp the concept of how much we all need God in our daily lives, not just in passing. They also seem defensive and protective when it comes to the influence of sin in the lives of their families.
With one rare exception I like single moms. They seem to have a maturity that most of their non-motherly counterparts lack. Especially as Christians, they seem to grasp the concept of how much we all need God in our daily lives, not just in passing. They also seem defensive and protective when it comes to the influence of sin in the lives of their families.
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Amen to that, elizzy, what you just said.
I reallly don't want to say anymore, except why did you use the Matthew reference, julieannie ?
I am not judging , social artist and djness. I just feel they should apologize for what they said. And, if that is judging , sorry, but that is what I feel the two should do.
Ok, my story, and, then, as promised, I will jettison myself from this thread.
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My sister is with three kids, two with the wonderful husband she is with now, one kid with a man that never got his life in order.
When my sister was single, it was tough on her, and, me. No job, an infant, no support , I lived an hour away. I did see her much as I could but back then I had to work long hours because of own business beginning, so Sunday was it. But I never missed seeing her and we talked on phone during week, I was a protective (still am) big brother and spoke to her with God in every sentence about. My sister and I were very close, we went through things brothers, sisters go through, God healed and she had left the drug guy she had Christian with.
At this time, I worked with a friend I met working for a heating and refrigeration business. After working there a year, I left and he happened to want to do more than work for someone else so he became my hire.
One Sunday, I took this work friend to my sister's place and I did not realize what was happening. He was sweetly talking to her, and, I should let you know my sister's boy, my nephew, was 1 years old at this time. I just watched him talk to her in this way that was amazing. He said all the right words, but he was saying them for one reason, to get my sister in bed. And, I could see what he was doing as she was nursing Christian and, I , two years older than my sister, 32 years old at this time, called him out of my sister's bedroom.
" Hey, I took you here to meet her, not to have sex with her. You are not going to do this if you want to continue working with me (my business but we were, more or less, partners, I paid him very well)."
And, I remember his tonal quality (soft, soft voice) as he replied back to me.
"Ed, you can say what you want but this is going to happen.".
Well, as you can well imagine, at this point I was both upset and stupefied at what was transpiring.
I began speaking to my sister, telling her she really didn't want to do what she was about to do. And, at this time, my work friend was sitting on the bed in her room and she got done nursing and it was just weird. She didn't care that her brother was in the room, her breast used for nursing was exposed and my friend was right there sitting on the bed.
I was beside myself and told my sister, 'sis (that is what I always call her), please don't do this You have your own apartment, you have a 1-year-old. God is going to do things for you, just stay true to IN THE MIDDLE OF MY SENTENCE, MY WORK FRIEND STARTED TO TURN TOWARD ME, as I was not sitting on the bed, I was standing by the foot of the bed. I was not liking talking to my sister with her breast exposed. And, surely, YES! I was uneasy with all this going on so badly , suddenly, after the first half hour my friend arrived was cool.
Anyway, MY FRIEND TURNED toward me and literally began pushing me out of the bedroom and my sister was smiling as I was saying, 'Sis, don't do this,' whining it now.
'Sis, don't do this. Sis, don't do HE PUSHED ME OUT THE DOOR OF THE APARTMENT AND JUST LOOKED AT ME WITH MOST smirky SMILE, LADIES, (AND GENTLEMAN) YOU ever would see on a guy's face. Chilled me, right through my bones.
SLAM!
I was then locked outside and began doing what?
Praying, deeply, . Praying I am certain like I have NEVER EVER NEVER had before in my life.
Then, I began to POUND on the door.
'Sis, don't do this. Ryan (not real name) , please don't do this. My sister is getting her life back on track(she was heavily into exhibitionslism and drugs from age 16 to 22, attractive girl dancing at gentleman clubs) pleeeeease don't.....'
I would not stop crying at the door , probably there 5 minutes , bawling my head off like never before, and, never after, either.
Suddenly, the door opened and my friend was there. He had a disgusted look at me and I just said 'Thank you.'
I am not sure what happened next that Sunday but I Thank God soooo much. It was not me, It was His almighty power.
It was on this day, and, this relates to single women iin 20s thread here, I realized just how influenced my sister could be , with not having a man.
That is the point of this whole story and hopefully explains why I hurt so badly when someone talks of women with kids as 'crawling' and 'herd.' I KNOW,from my sister, that THEY (single women , 20s, with kids) are VERY esteem driven a lot of the time and breaking down their esteem with careless comments can really affect them
Enough said, except that God blessed my sister with a wonderful man two years later, who owns a restaurant and a lot of land, in USA and Mexico and California. And they have three kids now.
Single moms, I implore you, do not let things hurt you that will IF you let them and the Enemy will attack your hurting. You do NOT let those thongs hurt you by ONLY one way when you don't have a guy to solace you.
One way, and, ONE person. God
God bless you, all, for raising children that are from God. Follow Him wherever you go, He will never let you go.
Amen to that, elizzy, what you just said.
I reallly don't want to say anymore, except why did you use the Matthew reference, julieannie ?
I am not judging , social artist and djness. I just feel they should apologize for what they said. And, if that is judging , sorry, but that is what I feel the two should do.
Ok, my story, and, then, as promised, I will jettison myself from this thread.
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My sister is with three kids, two with the wonderful husband she is with now, one kid with a man that never got his life in order.
When my sister was single, it was tough on her, and, me. No job, an infant, no support , I lived an hour away. I did see her much as I could but back then I had to work long hours because of own business beginning, so Sunday was it. But I never missed seeing her and we talked on phone during week, I was a protective (still am) big brother and spoke to her with God in every sentence about. My sister and I were very close, we went through things brothers, sisters go through, God healed and she had left the drug guy she had Christian with.
At this time, I worked with a friend I met working for a heating and refrigeration business. After working there a year, I left and he happened to want to do more than work for someone else so he became my hire.
One Sunday, I took this work friend to my sister's place and I did not realize what was happening. He was sweetly talking to her, and, I should let you know my sister's boy, my nephew, was 1 years old at this time. I just watched him talk to her in this way that was amazing. He said all the right words, but he was saying them for one reason, to get my sister in bed. And, I could see what he was doing as she was nursing Christian and, I , two years older than my sister, 32 years old at this time, called him out of my sister's bedroom.
" Hey, I took you here to meet her, not to have sex with her. You are not going to do this if you want to continue working with me (my business but we were, more or less, partners, I paid him very well)."
And, I remember his tonal quality (soft, soft voice) as he replied back to me.
"Ed, you can say what you want but this is going to happen.".
Well, as you can well imagine, at this point I was both upset and stupefied at what was transpiring.
I began speaking to my sister, telling her she really didn't want to do what she was about to do. And, at this time, my work friend was sitting on the bed in her room and she got done nursing and it was just weird. She didn't care that her brother was in the room, her breast used for nursing was exposed and my friend was right there sitting on the bed.
I was beside myself and told my sister, 'sis (that is what I always call her), please don't do this You have your own apartment, you have a 1-year-old. God is going to do things for you, just stay true to IN THE MIDDLE OF MY SENTENCE, MY WORK FRIEND STARTED TO TURN TOWARD ME, as I was not sitting on the bed, I was standing by the foot of the bed. I was not liking talking to my sister with her breast exposed. And, surely, YES! I was uneasy with all this going on so badly , suddenly, after the first half hour my friend arrived was cool.
Anyway, MY FRIEND TURNED toward me and literally began pushing me out of the bedroom and my sister was smiling as I was saying, 'Sis, don't do this,' whining it now.
'Sis, don't do this. Sis, don't do HE PUSHED ME OUT THE DOOR OF THE APARTMENT AND JUST LOOKED AT ME WITH MOST smirky SMILE, LADIES, (AND GENTLEMAN) YOU ever would see on a guy's face. Chilled me, right through my bones.
SLAM!
I was then locked outside and began doing what?
Praying, deeply, . Praying I am certain like I have NEVER EVER NEVER had before in my life.
Then, I began to POUND on the door.
'Sis, don't do this. Ryan (not real name) , please don't do this. My sister is getting her life back on track(she was heavily into exhibitionslism and drugs from age 16 to 22, attractive girl dancing at gentleman clubs) pleeeeease don't.....'
I would not stop crying at the door , probably there 5 minutes , bawling my head off like never before, and, never after, either.
Suddenly, the door opened and my friend was there. He had a disgusted look at me and I just said 'Thank you.'
I am not sure what happened next that Sunday but I Thank God soooo much. It was not me, It was His almighty power.
It was on this day, and, this relates to single women iin 20s thread here, I realized just how influenced my sister could be , with not having a man.
That is the point of this whole story and hopefully explains why I hurt so badly when someone talks of women with kids as 'crawling' and 'herd.' I KNOW,from my sister, that THEY (single women , 20s, with kids) are VERY esteem driven a lot of the time and breaking down their esteem with careless comments can really affect them
Enough said, except that God blessed my sister with a wonderful man two years later, who owns a restaurant and a lot of land, in USA and Mexico and California. And they have three kids now.
Single moms, I implore you, do not let things hurt you that will IF you let them and the Enemy will attack your hurting. You do NOT let those thongs hurt you by ONLY one way when you don't have a guy to solace you.
One way, and, ONE person. God
God bless you, all, for raising children that are from God. Follow Him wherever you go, He will never let you go.
^^^^ Thanks for your story Mr. Green, it brought tears to my eyes. I had suspected that there was something behind your protectiveness, but I understand it a little better now, and I hope others do as well. The words and attentions of other people (especially men) can really affect us girls, even those of us who try to act tough. For some reason, ladies seem to be more susceptible to being swayed by what other people say about them, and I am not excluding myself from this (although, with Jesus' help, it becomes less of a factor, because I know He loves me regardless).
And, not to drag apologies back to the forefront, because it's none of my business, but I have a hard time continuing friendship with someone who knows they have hurt my feelings, but refuses to give me a decent apology. Don't get me wrong, I will readily forgive them in my heart, and not hold the offence against them. But, to really want to be friends again, I need a heartfelt apology.
Apologizing isn't always easy, but it is important, for both my growth and the growth of the person I offended. So, when I hurt someone's feelings, even if I didn't mean to, I do try to apologize, so that the air will be clear between us. Forgiveness is important, but so is repentance.
Anyway, this wasn't directed at anyone in particular, just the ramblings of a nosy little busybody who should probably butt out before she accidentally re-ignites the tinderbox.............Love y'all. Peace out.
And, not to drag apologies back to the forefront, because it's none of my business, but I have a hard time continuing friendship with someone who knows they have hurt my feelings, but refuses to give me a decent apology. Don't get me wrong, I will readily forgive them in my heart, and not hold the offence against them. But, to really want to be friends again, I need a heartfelt apology.
Apologizing isn't always easy, but it is important, for both my growth and the growth of the person I offended. So, when I hurt someone's feelings, even if I didn't mean to, I do try to apologize, so that the air will be clear between us. Forgiveness is important, but so is repentance.
Anyway, this wasn't directed at anyone in particular, just the ramblings of a nosy little busybody who should probably butt out before she accidentally re-ignites the tinderbox.............Love y'all. Peace out.
Ed, I love you . I'm sure your sister does, too......I bet she asked "Ryan" to leave because of the way you reacted.....I suspect that you saved her tons of heartache by your tears and urgent prayers. If you'd pulled him out of the house with you and locked both of you out, I would've cheered, BTW. I was going to ask you in the thread in which we can ask questions we wouldn't normally ask, if you had always been protective of the ladies, and what made you this way; I suppose that I have at least part of my answer here. I realize that you said that you wouldn't jump back in the thread, but..... I appreciate your treatment of the "pink names" partly because some of the guys here in our own forums make me feel uncomfortable even though they're just talking to the CC community in general. It's nice seeing a voice of kindness, chivalry, and true love (hugs her big-brother-in-the-Lord Green and nice ). It makes me feel awfully good to know that you understand...... even the ones of us who haven't done things that would make people whisper and raise eyebrows still had to fight certain thoughts and feelings, and if I didn't have Jesus as my best friend.....I kinda hate thinking about where I would be . Also, some of the guys don't acknowledge that men are simply easier able to run and hide from a baby (okay, I admit that that sounds funny ). It's not usually obvious that guys are single parents if they don't take the responsibility of marrying their child's mother. Being unable to become pregnant doesn't mean that men are better than women.
I should probably add, Green, that yours is one of the few posts in this thread that I've read; from the beginning of it it looks like there was a disagreement; I tried to find all of the posts involved, but I realized that reading everything was going to take longer than I have time for, so I'll have to hope that what I said here was enough.
One more thing. I understand wanting to have a spouse who is following Jesus in every way (as I also want, if God does have a husband for me some day), but I've encountered men fairly often who mainly care about a woman not having done certain things, even if the lady in question wasn't a Christian yet at the time of the specified sin. Not only does it put too much emphasis on sex as opposed to forgiveness, healing and the Gospel, but knowing that a man cares so much about marrying a virgin totally turns me off, making me think "I'm glad to know that. I'll leave you alone; we can be friends at best". Partly because it makes me wonder if they'd want a divorce if their wife got raped, like a few men I've heard of. Just sayin'.........
. I'm sure your sister does, too......I bet she asked "Ryan" to leave because of the way you reacted.....I suspect that you saved her tons of heartache by your tears and urgent prayers. If you'd pulled him out of the house with you and locked both of you out, I would've cheered, BTW. I was going to ask you in the thread in which we can ask questions we wouldn't normally ask, if you had always been protective of the ladies, and what made you this way; I suppose that I have at least part of my answer here. I realize that you said that you wouldn't jump back in the thread, but..... I appreciate your treatment of the "pink names" partly because some of the guys here in our own forums make me feel uncomfortable even though they're just talking to the CC community in general. It's nice seeing a voice of kindness, chivalry, and true love (hugs her big-brother-in-the-Lord Green and nice ). It makes me feel awfully good to know that you understand...... even the ones of us who haven't done things that would make people whisper and raise eyebrows still had to fight certain thoughts and feelings, and if I didn't have Jesus as my best friend.....I kinda hate thinking about where I would be . Also, some of the guys don't acknowledge that men are simply easier able to run and hide from a baby (okay, I admit that that sounds funny ). It's not usually obvious that guys are single parents if they don't take the responsibility of marrying their child's mother. Being unable to become pregnant doesn't mean that men are better than women. I should probably add, Green, that yours is one of the few posts in this thread that I've read; from the beginning of it it looks like there was a disagreement; I tried to find all of the posts involved, but I realized that reading everything was going to take longer than I have time for, so I'll have to hope that what I said here was enough
.One more thing. I understand wanting to have a spouse who is following Jesus in every way (as I also want, if God does have a husband for me some day), but I've encountered men fairly often who mainly care about a woman not having done certain things, even if the lady in question wasn't a Christian yet at the time of the specified sin. Not only does it put too much emphasis on sex as opposed to forgiveness, healing and the Gospel, but knowing that a man cares so much about marrying a virgin totally turns me off, making me think "I'm glad to know that. I'll leave you alone; we can be friends at best". Partly because it makes me wonder if they'd want a divorce if their wife got raped, like a few men I've heard of. Just sayin'.........
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I'm sorry you went through that with your sister, GreenNNice. A VERY close relative of mine conceived a child when she was raped as a teen, so I do understand the impact something like this can cause in a family. The child doesn't know, so I don't want to define how the person is related. I also appreciate your protective attitude toward the ladies.
I understand the desire for an apology, but it's clearly not forthcoming. An apology that is not heartfelt is no apology at all anyway, is it? We have to forgive whether we receive one or not. Christ gave no disclaimers in this regard. There are no loopholes. We only hurt ourselves when we cling to hurtful issues like this from those who lack understanding.
The best we can do at this point is pray for wisdom, compassion and understanding. When one is tempted to post a thread with such potential for harm as this, I would ask them to consider the impact it might have on their brothers and sisters in Christ before posting, and, if they decide to go ahead with the post, to use wisdom when choosing their words, as they are indeed accountable for every single one of them..especially if any of them cause a sib in Christ to stumble in some way.
Peace..................................................
I understand the desire for an apology, but it's clearly not forthcoming. An apology that is not heartfelt is no apology at all anyway, is it? We have to forgive whether we receive one or not. Christ gave no disclaimers in this regard. There are no loopholes. We only hurt ourselves when we cling to hurtful issues like this from those who lack understanding.
The best we can do at this point is pray for wisdom, compassion and understanding. When one is tempted to post a thread with such potential for harm as this, I would ask them to consider the impact it might have on their brothers and sisters in Christ before posting, and, if they decide to go ahead with the post, to use wisdom when choosing their words, as they are indeed accountable for every single one of them..especially if any of them cause a sib in Christ to stumble in some way.
Peace..................................................