WHO ARE THE ELECT?

[Israel]

Revelation 20:11-15 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."


You're twisting the word my friend. He didn't say that many enter into life, Jesus said few enter into life. Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

You are correct that Jesus died for many but not everyone accepts the gift of God. This is Jesus's word, not man's.

John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Jesus did not come for those that are well, but for the sick. He did not call the righteous but the sinners to repentance.

I know I have everlasting life within me because I understand that if I can't do anything to change the fact that I will die, nor can I do anything to gain salvation from that death. And if I can't, neither can any man. No man asked to be here regardless of the situation they're in. As such, the gift of life will be bestowed on all as well.

 

[Joshua175]

Jesus did not come for those that are well, but for the sick. He did not call the righteous but the sinners to repentance.

I know I have everlasting life within me because I understand that if I can't do anything to change the fact that I will die, nor can I do anything to gain salvation from that death. And if I can't, neither can any man. No man asked to be here regardless of the situation they're in. As such, the gift of life will be bestowed on all as well.

God is not just a God of Mercy but a God of Judgment as well. The Lord paid the price for all sin yes but without faith we cannot know God nor can we be covered by his blood. There are children of God and Children of Satan which want you to believe that they are of God, yet they are not. Satan comes as an angel of light. There are also false prophets, wolves and dogs that lie in wait to deceive.

2 Peter 2:1-2 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

 

[Joshua175]

Luke 12:5 "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."

Luke 12:8-9 "Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God."

 

[cronjecj]

the elect are the,

believers
chosen
isreal
followers of Christ
born again
predestined
bride
jerusalem
children of God
led by the Spirit

this is all spiritual and not of the outer appearances at all but from the heart.

....we are all of these things because God has drawn us, nothing of ourselves.

from the very beginning God has predestined us unto salvation through His Son slain from the foundation of the world.

God has not predestined everyone unto salvation thus showing that He has many attributes not only mercy but of judgement too.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gen 35:10, And God said unto him, thy name is Jacob; thy name shall not any more be called Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name, and he called his name Israel. Rom 9:13, Jacob have I loved and Easau have I hated, that the purpose of God according to election might stand. Rom 9:23, And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepaired unto glory.(his elect)

And this proves what?

Rom 11: 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

Isreal is STILL Gods elect nation. even though they are our enemy.

 

[babyboyblue]

Are they a part of the elect before they believe or after they believe?

After.

Everyone has an opportunity to be adopted into the family of God, to be one of his elect, but you have to believe and be baptized. Then are you Abrahams' seed and heir according to the promise.

Elect | Saint | Christian | child of God | son of God .... Same people different name.

 

[serpentslayer]

The Elect are those who elect to have faith in God and His Savior, Jesus, who, in the
Beginning was the Word. Sounds to me like all of you think GOD knew Adam was going
to sin before he did. Ridiculous! "Shall we sin that Grace may abound? GOD FORBID!"
(Rom). Certainly GOD knew Adam might sin since GOD is the one who gave him a
commandment he could disobey; but, either way, GOD had a plan.

 

[resurrection33]

There are many scriptures that talk about the elect of God. In Isa 45:4, God says that Israel is his elect. Is all of the inhabitants of Israel his elect? Exactly who is God's elect?

The elect are those who obey the Lord.

 

[shroom2]

The Elect are those who elect to have faith in God and His Savior, Jesus, who, in the Beginning was the Word. Sounds to me like all of you think GOD knew Adam was going to sin before he did. Ridiculous! "Shall we sin that Grace may abound? GOD FORBID!" (Rom). Certainly GOD knew Adam might sin since GOD is the one who gave him a commandment he could disobey; but, either way, GOD had a plan.

I agree 100%.

 

[Forest]

Forest, I wish you really take to heart and actually believe in what you say. How can you even BEGIN to harmonize the VERY SAME VERSES you use on this very thread and not come to the conclusion that all men are saved?

I find no scriptures that says all mankind is eternally saved.

 

[Forest]

Few are saved; many are condemned (Matthew 7:13-14; John 3:16-18).

I agree with your post #12, but I will have to differ with your interpretation of Matt 7:13-14. Some of the elect go into both gates. Those that go in the wide gate are the elect that are believing their good works will save them eternally and those that go in the strait gate are the elect that have been shown the truth by revealation of the Holy Spirit. The elect are not few in number, but are as the sand of the seashore and cannot be numbered.

 

[Forest]

But your SURE you're one of the few who makes the cut though, right? This is what your heart speaks. Who doesn't make the cut to you?


The gate is narrow and there are few who find it indeed, but He did not come for the few who finds life. I tell you Jesus came for many. He died that they might have LIFE! And have it more ABUNDANTLY. But you say that those who are saved are abundantly few.


For God so loved the WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son. And He DIED for that world while we ALL WERE YET SINNERS. Not to CONDEMN the world (this does not apply to you because you walk the narrow gate), but that through HIM they might be saved.... As our Lord was about to die, some of His last words were "FATHER FORGIVE THEM, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO" .

I'm not trying to insult you, but far from it. I want you to picture these things. It's like you would be mad if God gave eternal life to one you might at heart think won't make the cut. You have then become a judge and in that VERY SAME CHAPTER Jesus starts it off with judge NOT, lest ye be judged.

All mankind will not be saved eternally, Matt 25:46.

 

[Abiding]

The Elect are those who elect to have faith in God and His Savior, Jesus, who, in the
Beginning was the Word. Sounds to me like all of you think GOD knew Adam was going
to sin before he did. Ridiculous! "Shall we sin that Grace may abound? GOD FORBID!"
(Rom). Certainly GOD knew Adam might sin since GOD is the one who gave him a
commandment he could disobey; but, either way, GOD had a plan.

You have to know God knew Adam would sin. God cant learn.
You must not understand His nature and attributes. That would
help you.

 

[Forest]

Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

The scripture holds true that Peter gave. it is not subject to human alteration or loopholes.

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Notice that there is a condition for eternal life. "whosoever believeth"

Jesus is also clear that those who do not believe are condemned.

What do the people who believe do and what do the people who do not believe do?

Answer:


Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Those who do not believe go away from the light and are condemned and those that believe come to the light and receive eternal life.


Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

as for this scripture it also applies to all. notice Jesus words only a few verses later:


Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

clearly there will be many who do not accept Jesus words and they will be lost.

These are just a couple of examples, but there are many showing that any will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

May we all humble ourselves before God and seek first His kingdom. God will save those who come to him.

blessings.

kThe kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are descriptions applied to the church that Christ set up, not eternal heaven. Matt 16:28, There be some standing here, which will nat taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. The elect are as the sand of the seashore and can not be numbered. 1 Kings 3:7, Jer 33:22,

 

[Forest]

Jesus did not come for those that are well, but for the sick. He did not call the righteous but the sinners to repentance.

I know I have everlasting life within me because I understand that if I can't do anything to change the fact that I will die, nor can I do anything to gain salvation from that death. And if I can't, neither can any man. No man asked to be here regardless of the situation they're in. As such, the gift of life will be bestowed on all as well.

Wrong! There is no scripture to back that up.

 

[Forest]

God is not just a God of Mercy but a God of Judgment as well. The Lord paid the price for all sin yes but without faith we cannot know God nor can we be covered by his blood. There are children of God and Children of Satan which want you to believe that they are of God, yet they are not. Satan comes as an angel of light. There are also false prophets, wolves and dogs that lie in wait to deceive.

2 Peter 2:1-2 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

John 6:37-41, Christ died only for those that his Father gave him which was his elect that He choose before the foundation of the world Eph 1, and he will not lose any of those he died for, not one.

 

[Forest]

Luke 12:5 "But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him."

Luke 12:8-9 "Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God."

God will call all of his elect and he will not call anyone that is not of his elect Rom 8:28-30.

 

[Joshua175]

God will call all of his elect and he will not call anyone that is not of his elect Rom 8:28-30.

Deuteronomy 30:19

"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live"

God gave us a choice, just as he gave Israel a choice. He has set before us life and death, blessing and cursing, the rest is up to us. God who transcends time already knows those who will accept him in the future, therefore by God's foreknowledge he understands who his elect are and those are, all who believe in him and call on his name.

Revelation 22:17 "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

 

[Forest]

And this proves what?

Rom 11: 28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

Isreal is STILL Gods elect nation. even though they are our enemy.

All of the nation is not God's elect, but only those after the seed of Jacob.1 Chr 16:13. The kingdom of God was taken away from the nation of Israel and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.Matt 21:43, the Gentiles.

 

[Forest]

After.

Everyone has an opportunity to be adopted into the family of God, to be one of his elect, but you have to believe and be baptized. Then are you Abrahams' seed and heir according to the promise.

Elect | Saint | Christian | child of God | son of God .... Same people different name.

I thought Eph 1:4-5, says that he choose his elect before the foundation of the world and predestinated them to be adopted by Jesus Christ. Baptism does not save you eternally, it is an answer of a good conscience toward God. Our believing does not eternally save us either because the natural man will not believe in a spiritual God, 1 Cor 2:14.