The sons of God in genesis 6

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Who were the sons of God in genesis 6?


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CBM82

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Do you believe they were the descendants of Seth or angels?

I think the angel theory is most likely to be correct. Sons of God in the old testament always refers to angels. How can unions between descendants of Seth and the daughters of cain produce giants? The book of jude seems to refer to this when it mentions the angels which kept not their first estate.

But Jesus said that angels do not marry in heaven, right? But these angels were on earth, not in heaven. We wont marry in heaven either but we marry on earth. Abraham served angels milk, butter, and meat and the bible says "and they did eat". I doubt they eat that stuff in heaven but they did while on earth. They also appeared as men, so much so that the people in Sodom wanted to rape them.

It seems far fetched to think that angels procreated with humans....but talking snakes, people walking on water, staffs turning into serpents, and folks rising from the dead also seems far fetched, but I believe it :)

What say you?
 
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Crimeny

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i cant remember but in one of the geneologies, it says after a lot of a begats back to Adam, who is the son of God, but there was also mention of them in the book of job, so i would say its just those who are loyal to God and Jesus Christ and keep the commandments and are righteous!
 

damombomb

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Job 1:6Now there was a day when the sons of God came and presented themselves before the Lord, and the enemy
came along with them
Heb13;2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers; for thereby some have entertained angels unaware( shows angels can take
on human flesh)

It is obvious that a third of the angels rebelled and that is why they were kicked out of heaven, why else were they kicked
out for?

 
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Laodicea

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The sons of God in Gen 6 are the descendants of Seth. Gen 4 has Cain's line who did not follow God
Genesis 4:16
(16) And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

While the line of Seth were followers of God, look at how the line of Seth starts and ends
Genesis 4:26
(26) And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Genesis 6:9
(9) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

So we have 2 lines then in chapter 6 they come together
Romans 8:14
(14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 
Nov 23, 2011
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Do you believe they were the descendants of Seth or angels?

I think the angel theory is most likely to be correct. Sons of God in the old testament always refers to angels. How can unions between descendants of Seth and the daughters of cain produce giants? The book of jude seems to refer to this when it mentions the angels which kept not their first estate.

But Jesus said that angels do not marry in heaven, right? But these angels were on earth, not in heaven. We wont marry in heaven either but we marry on earth. Abraham served angels milk, butter, and meat and the bible says "and they did eat". I doubt they eat that stuff in heaven but they did while on earth. They also appeared as men, so much so that the people in Sodom wanted to rape them.

It seems far fetched to think that angels procreated with humans....but talking snakes, people walking on water, staffs turning into serpents, and folks rising from the dead also seems far fetched, but I believe it :)

What say you?

They were the descendants of righteous Seth. Angels, whether good, or fallen, "neither marry, nor are given in marriage" (Matthew).
Angels don't have bodies, so they couldn't marry or procreate with humans. So says Christ in the Gospel (I believe it's in Matthew chapter 19, etc.).

 
Oct 12, 2011
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Doesn't anyone see the Contrast?

Sons of God
Daughters of Men

This is not a good thing.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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the angel theory is absurd...and the reference to 'giants' is a mistranslation...

also if you pay close attention to the text...it doesn't even say that the 'giants' were the children produced when the sons of God married the daughters of men...it only says that the 'giants' were on the earth in the days when those people were marrying and having children
 
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CBM82

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Companion Bible
Appendix #23
23. "THE SONS OF GOD" IN Gen_6:2-4.



It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (Joh_3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luk_3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Co_5:17. Eph_2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (Joh_1:13. Rom_8:14-15. 1Jn_3:1). (*1)
This is why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job_1:6; Job_2:1; Job_38:7. Psa_29:1; Psa_89:6. Dan_3:25 (no art.). (*2) We have no authority or right to take the expression in Gen_6:2; Gen_6:4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Gen_6:2 the Sept. renders it "angels". Angels are called "spirits" (Psa_104:4. Heb_1:7; Heb_1:14), for spirits are created by God.
That there was a fall of the angels is certain from Jud_1:6.
· The nature of their fall is clearly stated in the same verse. They left their own oiketerion. This word occurs only in 2Co_5:2 and Jud_1:6, where it is used of the spiritual (or resurrection) body.
· The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jud_1:7.
· The time of their fall is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Pe_3:20. 2Pe_2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Gen_1:1-2. 2Pe_3:6).
· For this sin they are "reserved unto judgment", 2Pe_2:4, and are "in prison", 1Pe_3:19.
· Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and, being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Ap. 25). This was the one and only object of the Flood.
· Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Gen_6:9, see note). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. the only remedy was to destroy it (de facto), as it had become destroyed(de jure). (It is the same word in v. Gen_6:17 as in vv. Gen_6:11-12.) See further under Ap. 25 on the Nephilim.
This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in Gen_3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted.
As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Gen_6:4, "and also after that" (i.e. after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Gen_12:6) "the Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land."
In the same chapter (Gen_12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in Gen_20:1-18.
This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which his servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently :--
· The destruction of the chosen family by famine, Gen_50:20.
· The destruction of the male line in Israel, Exo_1:10; Exo_1:15, &c. Cp. Exo_2:5. Heb_11:23.
· The destruction of the whole nation in Pharaoh's pursuit, Ex. 14.
· After David's line was singled out (2Sam. 7), that was the next selected for assault. Satan's first assault was in the union of Jehoram and Athaliah by Jehoshaphat, notwithstanding 2Ch_17:1. Jehoram killed off all his brothers (2Ch_21:4).
· The Arabians slew all his children, except Ahaziah (2Ch_21:17; 2Ch_22:1).
· When Ahaziah died, Athaliah killed "all the seed royal" (2Ch_22:10). the babe Joash alone was rescued; and, for six years, the faithfulness of Jehovah's word was at stake (2Ch_23:3).
· Hezekiah was childless, when a double assault was made by the King of Assyria and the King of Terrors (Isa_36:1; Isa_38:1). God's faithfulness was appealed to and relied on (Ps. 136).
· In Captivity, Haman was used to attempt the destruction of the whole nation (Est_3:6; Est_3:12-13. Cp. Est_6:1).
· Joseph's fear was worked on (Mat_1:18-20). Notwithstanding the fact that he was "a just man", and kept the Law, he did not wish to have Mary stoned to death (Deu_24:1); hence Joseph determined to divorce her. But God intervened : "Fear not".
· Herod sought the young Child's life (Matt. 2).
· At the Temptation, "Cast Thyself down" was Satan's temptation.
· At Nazareth, again (Luke 4), there was another attempt to cast Him down and destroy Him.
· The two storms on the Lake were other attempts.
· At length the cross was reached, and the sepulcher closed; the watch set; and the stone sealed. But "God raised Him from the dead." And now, like another Joash, He is seated and expecting (Heb_10:12-13), hidden in the house of God on high; and the members of "the one body" are hidden there "in Him" (Col_3:1-3), like another Jehoshaba; and going forth to witness of His coming, like another Jehoiada (2Ch_23:3).

The irruption of "the fallen angels" ("sons of God") was the first attempt; and was directed against the whole human race.
· When Abraham was called, then he and his seed were attacked.
· When David was enthroned, then the royal line were attacked.
· And when "the Seed of the woman" Himself came, then the storm burst upon Him.





(*1) The word "offspring" in Act_17:28 is quite different. It is genos, which means merely kin or kind, our genus as being originated by God.
(*2) In Hos_1:10, it is not beni-ha-Elohim, as here, but beni-el-chai.
 
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Companion Bible
Appendix #25
25. THE NEPHILIM, OR "GIANTS"
Of GEN. 6, &c.



The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen. 6, and Ap. 23) are called in Gen. 6, Ne-phil-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Gen_3:15).
This was why the Flood was brought "upon the world of the ungodly" (2Pe_2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jud_1:14).
But we read of the Nephilim again in Num_13:33 : "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of theNephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen_6:4, where we read : "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb.gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).
So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.
As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen_12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated : "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen_14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim.
In ch. Gen_15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girga****es, and the Jebusites" (Gen_15:19-21; cp. Exo_3:8; Exo_3:17; Exo_23:23. Deut. 7; Deu_20:17. Jos_12:8).
These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deu_20:17. Jos_3:10). But Israel failed in this (Jos_13:13; Jos_15:63; Jos_16:10; Jos_17:18. Jdg_1:19-20; Jdg_1:28-36; Jdg_2:1-5; Jdg_3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.
As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num_13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deu_2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim(v. Deu_2:20-21) and Avim, &c.
As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned : but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". These Rephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa_26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. Isa_26:19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job_26:5. Psa_88:10. Pro_2:18; Pro_9:18; Pro_21:16. Isa_14:8; Isa_26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isa_26:14.
It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen_14:5; Gen_15:20. Jos_12:15 (marg.). 2Sa_5:18; 2Sa_5:22; 2Sa_23:13.& b31 nbsp; 1Ch_11:15; 1Ch_14:9; 1Ch_20:4 (marg.). Isa_17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen_6:4; Num_23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job_16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings.
It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen. 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emim were in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen_14:5).
Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen_35:27. Jos_15:13; Jos_21:11); and this Palestine branch of theAnakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deu_2:10-11; Deu_2:21-23; Deu_9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num_13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deu_3:11.
Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem. Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by the Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Num_13:22.
If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day?
Moreover, we have in these mighty men, the "men of renown," the explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology. That mythology was no mere invention of the human brain, but it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings; and was gradually evolved out of the "heroes" of Gen_6:4. The fact that they were supernatural in their origin formed an easy step to their being regarded as the demi-gods of the Greeks.
Thus the Babylonian "Creation Tablets", the Egyptian "Book of the dead", the Greek mythology, and heathen Cosmogonies, which by some are set on an equality with Scripture, or by others adduced in support of it, are all the corruption and perversion of primitive truths, distorted in proportion as their origin was forgotten, and their memories faded away.
 
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Appendix #26
26. NOAH "PERFECT".
(Gen_6:9).



The Heb. word tamim means without blemish, and is the technical word for bodily and physical perfection, and not moral. Hence it is used of animals of sacrificial purity. It is rendered without blemish in Exo_12:5; Exo_29:1. Lev_1:3; Lev_1:10; Lev_3:1; Lev_3:6; Lev_4:3; Lev_4:23; Lev_4:28; Lev_4:32; Lev_5:15; Lev_5:18; Lev_6:6; Lev_9:2-3; Lev_14:10; Lev_22:19; Lev_23:12; Lev_23:18. Num_6:14; Num_28:19; Num_28:31; Num_29:2; Num_29:8; Num_29:13; Num_29:20; Num_29:23; Num_29:29; Num_29:32; Num_29:36. Eze_43:22-23; Eze_43:25; Eze_45:18; Eze_45:23; Eze_46:4; Eze_46:6; Eze_46:13.
Without Spot. Num_19:2; Num_28:3; Num_28:9; Num_28:11; Num_29:17; Num_29:26.
Undefiled. Psa_119:1.
This shows that Gen_6:9 does not speak of Noah's moral perfection, but tells us that he and his family alone had preserved their pedigree and kept it pure, in spite of the prevailing corruption brought about by the fallen angels. See Ap. 23 and 25.
 
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Laodicea

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This subject came up once before and this was a response by gotime

Originally Posted by gotime

It appears to me that some here are making assumptions and displaying them as if they were fact. let us take a closer look at the scripture. First I will post the scripture in question.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; f
or it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Gen 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

I would like to take note of the context. Who is God upset with?

"...My spirit shall not always strive with
man , for that he also is flesh..."
"...bare children to them, the same became mighty
men which were of old, men of renown."
"And GOD saw that the wickedness of
man was great in the earth..."
"And it repented the LORD that he had made
man..."
"And the LORD said, I will destroy
man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."
"...for all
flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth."
"...The end of all
flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

Answer: God is upset with man/flesh. there is no mention of spiritual beings here whatsoever.

One more question before we look at the sons of God in question here. what was the result of this union of sons of God with daughters of men?



Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Answer:It is also pertinent to note here that the result is Gods displeasure at this union towards man. later as we saw God also includes the animals in this but never mentions angels. the other result is that man became evil. suggesting that this was not the case before this union.

One more important thing to note. the giants are not at all considered in this passage to be a result of this union. this is a common myth that is dispelled by simply reading the scripture. "Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that," notice that the giants were both living on earth before and after. not just after. by the way when we read the word giants we always assume that it is some massive person. while this application is plausible it is by no means the primary meaning of the Hebrew word. this word denotes brutes, bullies, tyrants etc and is in link with the meaning of mighty men. which adds the content of strong and battle ready. in other words it matches with the texts after that speak of violence all over the earth. because that is exactly what bullies who can fight do.

OK so it is clear that God is only upset with humans in these verses and also that Giants were not a result of this union. for some this would be enough to question the myth of sons of God being angels but lets now look at the term sons of God.

When does the Bible tell us the term son of God means?



Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God , they are the sons of God.

Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the sons of God.

Here it is clear that men that are peacemakers and lead by the Spirit of God are also called sons of God. was there any people that followed God in the time that Noah lived?

Answer: yes the line of Adam through Seth did this. here are some more texts to verify this.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name:

Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.

by the way the bible clearly shows that it was the line of Seth that walked with God and thus would rightly and Biblically be called sons of God.

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God , said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

notice also that Seth is named here as a replacement of Able. this he is in contrast to Cain who was banished from Gods people and thus not a son of God .


Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

notice that Cain also produced and his offspring lived in cities. thus Cain and Seth's line at this time was separate as it should be be the express leading of God to banish Cain form among Gods people.

What was Gods counsel on mixing with those who do not follow God?

answer:
2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

It is clear that God does not desire those who are his sons and daughters to mix with those who are not. throughout the biblical record Satan has used lust to entice Gods people to leave the ways of God. there are many examples of this taking place and the Child of God being led to unfaithfulness through Godless women.


Deu 7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
Deu 7:4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

remember that we have seen that the sons of God is a term used for men who follow God and are led by His spirit.

now just quickly I will address the concept used in job to insinuate that sons of God
is a term for angels.


Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

without going too far into this being that I am running out of time to type. we see here a group that has come together in heaven. only one we personally know. Satan

notice How Satan explains his right to be there:

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. now for those who don't know or understand Hebrew mind thought this is a direct claim by Satan. What Satan is saying here is that he is the representative of earth.

now remember that Adam was given charge over the earth but lost it when he gave it to Satan through the fall. originally Adam was the son of God who would have been there with the other sons
of God.

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God .

so we learn something here. Satan has claimed to be the ruler of this earth and thus have a right to be our representative in heaven with the others who then must also fill a similar capacity from other planets created by God .

Are there other worlds?

answer :
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

here we are told that Jesus created more than one world. it also fits with the parable of the lost sheep. this sheep represents the one world that fell and how God left the other worlds to save this one.

there is more to it than that but that will do for now. note that even Jesus called Satan the prince of this world.

Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

So we learn here that Adam who was the one given dominion over the world was also called the son of God . was not present at this meeting in heaven where we find other sons
of God. but instead Satan comes and when God asked why he is there he answers with claim that he is the fitful leader of earth and thus able to be included in this meeting. had the fall not taken place this would have been Adam and the text would rightly read

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD.

instead of

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Notice that Satan is not a son of God.

Thus it becomes clear that those that followed God looked upon the beauty of the women that did not follow God and then married them and had children with them and they turned away from God. Simple and not assuming anything outside of that which is given in scripture.


God bless. I hope this makes sense, normally I would have provided more scripture but time is not on my side right now
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Its definitely not something I think we can be dogmatic about because its just so ambiguous but I am curious to see other peoples opinion. I am not 100% convinced it is angels but I have thought about this chapter a lot and imo it just seems like more evidence points in the direction of angels but who knows.

But as to whether or not the line of Seth truly called on the name of the Lord has been questioned by some.


Companion Bible
Appendix #21
21. ENOS. (Gen_4:26.)
"CALLING ON THE NAME OF THE LORD."


"Then began men to call upon the name of Jehovah." If this refers to Divine worship it is not true: for Abel and Cain both began, and their descendants doubtless followed their example.
What was really begun was the profanation of the Name of Jehovah. They began to call something by the Name of Jehovah. The A. V. suggests "themselves", in the margin. But the majority of the ancient Jewish commentators supply the Ellipsis by the words "their gods"; suggesting that they called the stars and idols their gods, and worshipped them.
The Targum of Onkelos explains it:
"then in his days the sons of men desisted from praying in the Name of the Lord."
The Targum of Jonathan says:
"That was the generation in whose days they began to err, and to make themselves idols, and surnamed their idols by the Name of the Word of the Lord."
Kimchi, Rashi, and other ancient Jewish commentators agree with this. Rashi says:
"Then was there profanation in calling on the Name of the Lord."
Jerome says that this was the opinion of many Jews in his days. Maimonides, in his Commentary on the Mishna (a constituent part of the Talmud), A.D. 1168, in a long treatise on idolatry, gives the most probably account of the origin of idolatry in the days of Enos. The name Enos agrees with this, for his name means frail, weak, sickly, incurable. The sons of men, as "Enosh", are so called for a similar reason (Job_7:17; Job_15:14. Psa_9:20; Psa_103:15. Dan_2:43). See Ap. 14.
If Jonathan, the grandson of Moses, became the first idolatrous priest in Israel (see notes on Jdg_18:30), what wonder that Enos, the grandson of Adam, introduced idolatry among mankind.
Moreover, what "ungodliness" did Enoch, "the seventh from Adam" have to prophesy about in Jud_1:14-15, if purity of worship was begun in the days of Enos, instead of profanation in calling on the Name of the Lord? Surely this is sufficient evidence that this profanation of the Name of the Lord was the reason why Enoch was raised up to prophesy against it.
 

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This subject came up once before and this was a response by gotime

Originally Posted by gotime

It appears to me that some here are making assumptions and displaying them as if they were fact. let us take a closer look at the scripture. First I will post the scripture in question.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; f
or it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Gen 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

I would like to take note of the context. Who is God upset with?

"...My spirit shall not always strive with man , for that he also is flesh..."
"...bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth..."
"And it repented the LORD that he had made man..."
"And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."
"...for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth."
"...The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

Answer: God is upset with man/flesh. there is no mention of spiritual beings here whatsoever.

One more question before we look at the sons of God in question here. what was the result of this union of sons of God with daughters of men?


Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God , even to them that believe on his name:

Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God .

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
To me this says that 1. angels can be called sons of God (so far nothing against the sons of God being angels here), that 2. any person directly created by God (i.e. Adam) could be called a son of God or 3. that any person who is spiritually reborn is a son of God.

Also the language of Genesis 6:4 mentions giants before the Flood (that were wiped out) and giants after the Flood that sprang back up again for some reason. Then it seems to give a qualifier for how the giants sprang back up and that qualifier is this: when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Why the contrast between the words God and men here? Could not the sons of God intermarry with the daughters of God and bare mighty children? Why only with the daughters of men? That's a silly question, because the qualifying word "mighty" here indicates something more than human might. That then shifts the focus onto the sons of God being the ones to provide the daughters of men with mightier offspring than regular humans. So why again isn't there any mention of the sons of God intermarrying with the daughters of God and providing mighty offspring? Seems the more logical choice of words if they were both of God (i.e. the implication being that Christians rear exceptionally mighty offspring). But perhaps there is no mention of the daughters of God because the sons of God was a term that referred to something superhuman as their resulting offspring implies.

I'd also like to post a verse. Ezekiel 1:20, when describing a certain type of angelic being, states, "Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels." What? These angelic beings are "living" and have spirits? Doesn't that imply that is has a body as well? After all it did just draw a contrast between "them" and their "spirit" and gave evidence that their spirit was encased in some sort of vehicle.

So what we know is that angels can be called the sons of God, at least some of them have corporeal bodies, and the mating of the sons of God with the daughters of men produced offspring with abilities that were described as mighty and worthy of renown. Not only that but it is implied that these "giants" came from such a union.

That's how I see it.
 
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Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
 
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Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
IN HEAVEN.....these angels were on EARTH :)

We wont marry in heaven either, but we do on earth
 

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Mat 22:30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mat 22:31But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
I wonder if that's something specific to the angels in heaven or if it refers to the fallen angels on this earth as well. I have to think that if God, who is spirit, can give a child to a woman (e.g. Isaac, Samson, Jesus, John the Baptist, etc.) then an angel - who seems to be both spirit and body - also could if all conditions were satisfied. Oh, not to mention that the angels - when described on this earth - often appear as men (those at the tomb, those with Abraham, etc.). So if some of the angels appeared as men on this earth, then does that mean they have the full functionality of men while on the earth?
 
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Oh, not to mention that the angels - when described on this earth - often appear as men (those at the tomb, those with Abraham, etc.). So if angels appear as men on this earth, then does that mean they have the full functionality of men while on the earth?
Abraham offered milk, butter, and meat "and they did eat".
 
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If the "sons of god" were human men, where did the giants come from?
 

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If the "sons of god" were human men, where did the giants come from?
Good question. Where do the giant people now come from? The ones over 8ft tall? Almost 9ft tall? The record for tallest person seems to be getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Do you think this may be one of the signs we can look to "as in the time of Noah"??

If sons of God were not human men how come the term is not used until after men start to call on the name of the Lord? Surely angels existed before men called on the name of the Lord?

Genesis 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.


1 John 3:1,2
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.