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Yahshua the Messiah told the Jews to search the scriptures.......................
31If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
32There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
33Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
35He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
37And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41I receive not honour from men.
It is clear that the Scriptures are to be searched for the truth.
Yes, i never said it was directed to you and I, but it certainly can be used to see where the Messiah said the truth is...
The same could be said for you eating bread and drinking wine, it was not a direct commandment to you and I, Yahshua the Messiah was speaking to his disciples..........
You can not have it both ways my friend.
C
First of all i don't want any argument to all of ya people nor even you..I just want to share my own perspective about the christianity ok!And did i said in order to be saved u must read a bible?I've never said that! Lemme tell you this.Christianity is one of the largest and most powerful forces on the planet - indeed, it would probably dominate the planet if it were not for the fact that it is divided in so many different ways. But what sort of religion is Christianity?
There are many different classifications of religion, each with their own particular characteristics that distinguish them from one another. They are not, however, mutually exclusive any one religion can be a member of several different categories at the same time. Understanding the nature of Christianity and Christian belief can be greatly aided by having a better understanding of how and why it belongs to different religious groupings..Christianity is a salvation religion because it teaches a message of salvation which is supposed to apply to all of humanity. How salvation is achieved varies: some forms emphasize works, some emphasize faith, and some argue that salvation comes to all, regardless of the actual religion they follow. Whatever the exact circumstances, though, the long-term purpose of life is generally treated as reaching salvation and God..
I understand what people are trying to say when they eschew the term religion. The goal is to assure skeptics that we are not offering dead ritual and empty tradition. The goal is to paint a picture of a vibrant life with our Lord, Jesus Christ. I get that. However, I do not believe that it is wise, or necessary to commit logical fallacies, and make trite, nonsensical arguments in order to do so..As I've said earlier reading all of these comments can easily be bias..
P.S.This discussion is getting longer btw i don't want to make a debate to anyone nor to you ok!
God bless!
There are many different classifications of religion, each with their own particular characteristics that distinguish them from one another. They are not, however, mutually exclusive any one religion can be a member of several different categories at the same time. Understanding the nature of Christianity and Christian belief can be greatly aided by having a better understanding of how and why it belongs to different religious groupings..Christianity is a salvation religion because it teaches a message of salvation which is supposed to apply to all of humanity. How salvation is achieved varies: some forms emphasize works, some emphasize faith, and some argue that salvation comes to all, regardless of the actual religion they follow. Whatever the exact circumstances, though, the long-term purpose of life is generally treated as reaching salvation and God..
I understand what people are trying to say when they eschew the term religion. The goal is to assure skeptics that we are not offering dead ritual and empty tradition. The goal is to paint a picture of a vibrant life with our Lord, Jesus Christ. I get that. However, I do not believe that it is wise, or necessary to commit logical fallacies, and make trite, nonsensical arguments in order to do so..As I've said earlier reading all of these comments can easily be bias..
P.S.This discussion is getting longer btw i don't want to make a debate to anyone nor to you ok!
God bless!
S
I would say there is an important difference. Apparently the Apostles established the Eucharist in every church since it is related many times in their letters that they celebrated it and the Church is admonished many times to celebrate it. So it seems that the Eucharistic feast was a commandment to all Christians.
The Pharisees and the Bereans are pretty closely related here since they were both told to search the Scriptures to see if what Christ said was true (the prophecies concerning him mainly). Thats one reason why I never quite understood how the Bereans are a good poster child for Sola Scriptura when they would have been searching the OT prophecies to see if what Paul said about Christ was true, and not searching the Scriptures in a way Protestants would recognize as Sola Scriptura.
The Pharisees and the Bereans are pretty closely related here since they were both told to search the Scriptures to see if what Christ said was true (the prophecies concerning him mainly). Thats one reason why I never quite understood how the Bereans are a good poster child for Sola Scriptura when they would have been searching the OT prophecies to see if what Paul said about Christ was true, and not searching the Scriptures in a way Protestants would recognize as Sola Scriptura.
C
The following link is from the Vatican:
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Ten Commandments
Original Commandment:
You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a graven image,
or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,
or that is in the earth beneath,
or that is in the water under the earth;
you shall not bow down to them or serve them;
for I the LORD your God am a jealous God,
visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children to the third and the fourth
generation of those who hate me,
but showing steadfast love to thousands of those
who love me and keep my commandments.
Vaticans redition of that Comamndment:
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Am I missing something?
S
Yeah you are missing something your referring to the Catechetical formula for memorizing the the order and first words of each commandment.
In complete listings it's listed thus: You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a graven image.
Am I to assume that Protestants deleted the 9th commandment since "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife" becomes simply "Thou shalt not covet"?
In complete listings it's listed thus: You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself a graven image.
Am I to assume that Protestants deleted the 9th commandment since "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife" becomes simply "Thou shalt not covet"?
I believe the Writing was giving the benefit of a doubt to the reader that when it is written the TEN commandments, which it is, the reader understands there are numbers one through ten commandments. It is written. Did you Google the information on organized cruelty to animals by parrishes in Spain? You have been quiet on the subject.
S
Just like Exo 20:4 in the Catholic bible is the same and "Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image" is still there.
Just to prove it here's Exo 20:4 from the official bible of the Church, the Nova Vulgata: 4 Non facies tibi sculptile neque omnem similitudinem eorum, quae sunt in caelo desuper et quae in terra deorsum et quae in aquis sub terra.
And here is the translation of the same from the Douay-Rheims: 4Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.
Yes I know you posted it from the Vatican but even on the webpage it says that it's the Catechetical formula. Now has that proven sufficiently to you that we still have what you call the second commandment?
Just to prove it here's Exo 20:4 from the official bible of the Church, the Nova Vulgata: 4 Non facies tibi sculptile neque omnem similitudinem eorum, quae sunt in caelo desuper et quae in terra deorsum et quae in aquis sub terra.
And here is the translation of the same from the Douay-Rheims: 4Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.
Yes I know you posted it from the Vatican but even on the webpage it says that it's the Catechetical formula. Now has that proven sufficiently to you that we still have what you call the second commandment?
S
There are more than ten imperative statements in the passage we draw the ten commandments from. So in order to arrive at ten some have to be combined. Quite frankly I don't care if Spaniards have a longstanding tradition of throwing a goat out of a church tower in honor of a miraculous event in the life of a Saint (can't remember the story right now but I'll find it later).
Also I'm not entirely sure why you would object to the Catholic numbering since the traditional Jewish numbering of the commandments does the same thing.
Jewish numbering:
1. I am the Lord your God who brought you out of slavery in Egypt.
2. You shall have no other gods but me.
3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
4. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
5. Honor your father and mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.
Catholic/Orthodox/Lutheran numbering:
1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
4. Honor your father and your mother
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal
8. You shall not bear false witness
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods:
Protestant numbering:
1.You shall have no other gods but me.
2.You shall not make unto you any graven images
3.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
4.You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
5.Honor your mother and father
6.You shall not murder
7.You shall not commit adultery
8.You shall not steal
9.You shall not bear false witness
10.You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
In this regard Protestants do not consider "I am the Lord thy God" a commandment and so they split the first commandment into two (in the Catholic numbering; it's the second commandment according to the Jewish numbering).
Also I'm not entirely sure why you would object to the Catholic numbering since the traditional Jewish numbering of the commandments does the same thing.
Jewish numbering:
1. I am the Lord your God who brought you out of slavery in Egypt.
2. You shall have no other gods but me.
3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
4. You shall remember and keep the Sabbath day holy.
5. Honor your father and mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.
Catholic/Orthodox/Lutheran numbering:
1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
4. Honor your father and your mother
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
7. You shall not steal
8. You shall not bear false witness
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods:
Protestant numbering:
1.You shall have no other gods but me.
2.You shall not make unto you any graven images
3.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
4.You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
5.Honor your mother and father
6.You shall not murder
7.You shall not commit adultery
8.You shall not steal
9.You shall not bear false witness
10.You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
In this regard Protestants do not consider "I am the Lord thy God" a commandment and so they split the first commandment into two (in the Catholic numbering; it's the second commandment according to the Jewish numbering).
E
There are three things there
1. You shall make an image of anything on earth or in heaven
2. You shall not bow down and worship any image which was made by other people, which you did not make.
The problem comes in when we try to twist what is said, and say God did not say we shall not make one ( when he clearly did) he said we shall not worship one, insinuating it is ok to make them. Not ok to worship them.
1. You shall make an image of anything on earth or in heaven
2. You shall not bow down and worship any image which was made by other people, which you did not make.
The problem comes in when we try to twist what is said, and say God did not say we shall not make one ( when he clearly did) he said we shall not worship one, insinuating it is ok to make them. Not ok to worship them.
E
Lets look what the command says about covet.
17 “(A)You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; (B)you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or ANYTHING THAT BELONGS to your neighbor.”
Hmm, seems the protestants did not change anything, they just made it simple.
You almost had me fooled there. Thank God for his word I could check what you said.
17 “(A)You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; (B)you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or ANYTHING THAT BELONGS to your neighbor.”
Hmm, seems the protestants did not change anything, they just made it simple.
You almost had me fooled there. Thank God for his word I could check what you said.
