misunderstandings between Catholics and Christians

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JaumeJ

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The problem with Catholicism is that there is nothing about it that resembles biblical Christianity at all. The Catholic Church has unfortunately deviated from God’s word, instead choosing to follow the traditions of men that have been passed down through the ages, all of which do not have any biblical support. When we trust what others say (no matter who they are), we open ourselves up to deception and people who are deceived often don't realize it, which is why we have the bible to look to as the authority in all things, that we may test everything against it. Afterall, the bible is God's word. God warned us of deception (Matthew 24:4 and 1 John 4:1). Some leaders out there are also deceived. They are what the bible describes as the blind leading the blind (Matthew 15:14).



We must always seek out the answers in God’s word. Why not go right to the source? Read His word and pray to Him. Ask Him to reveal the truth to you. He never fails and will never turn anyone away. He wants us to seek and promises that if we do so then we will find the truth. Matthew 7:7-8: “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened”. And, John 8:32: “…the truth shall set you free”. When we trust in another person to give it to us we will never find the truth.

Your points...

1. Sola Fide

The major difference between Catholicism and biblical Christianity is the topic of salvation. Catholics believe in faith + works to be saved, whereas the bible tells us it’s by faith alone. It is the grace of God, a gift from Him, not by anything we can do ourselves. We have filthy rags and are unworthy sinners. Why would God accept anything from us?

Grace is the gift and faith is the channel with which we receive it.

I think the problem is that many can’t accept the simplicity of it.

As for faith + works, it may seem like Paul and James disagree, but if you read closely it's very clear that they are saying the same thing, that works come after salvation, they are the fruit of salvation, they don't play a part in salvation, they come afterwards, prepared in advance for us by God. If someone does not bear this fruit then they're not really saved, as a saved person will produce works of the Holy Spirit)

James 2:26 – “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also"

James 2:17-19 – “Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works”. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well”

Ephesians 2:8-9 – “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them”


2. Sola Scriptura

The Bible is complete, authoritative and true. 2 Timothy 3:16: “All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness”

The Catholic church has made it's own traditions superior in authority to the bible. A lot of these traditions stand in opposition to the bible. The bible does not allow for traditions that contradict it's message. Scripture is true and everything should be compared to scripture.


3. Infant Baptism

Water baptism does not save anyone. It comes after salvation. It's an outward way of showing what's already happened inwardly, it's a testimony of our belief and a symbol of our relationship with Christ.

A baby does not yet understand these things, so baptism achieves nothing.

My family are all Catholics, including my husband and some of our friends. Only me and my immediate family are born again. My cousin's husband is an alter boy. As soon as their first child was born they were stressed about ensuring he got baptized immediately, as they said they were worried if anything happened to him he would go to hell. This shocked me. I personally do not believe God would send little babies to hell. Yes, we all inherited sin from Adam & Eve, but a baby cannot discern between it's left and right hand. God is a fair judge.

Infant baptism deceives many into thinking they are going to heaven so long as they do this ritual. This isn't what the bible teaches.


Actions do speak louder than words. Catholics claim to believe in the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice on the cross for all sins, but their actions say they don't and God knows it. These actions are all the things they cling to for salvation, things that God says cannot save us, as it's not of ourselves.

Imagine a set of monkey bars hanging high above hell. You are hanging onto the bars. God is standing in the middle between you and hell. Now, the monkey bars are the things you hold onto and have trust in, like penance, traditions, etc, etc. Now, if you let go of those monkey bars, would you TRUST that God would save you? Or would you rather cling to the monkey bars with no trust for God? - afterall, God says numerous times to have sole trust in him and nothing/no one else. After you die he will not catch you, as it'll be too late then.

Here is the Gospel explained very well! (NB: very graphic pictures used from 6:55-7:11)..........................

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdDzhT0MSc4[/video]
Are you sure you are in the correct room? You make too much sense. Yahweh bless you and keep you shining brightly, amen
 

Katy-follower

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Are you sure you are in the correct room? You make too much sense. Yahweh bless you and keep you shining brightly, amen
;) Just praying also that the rest of my family will turn to God before it's too late..
 

JaumeJ

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;) Just praying also that the rest of my family will turn to God before it's too late..
All one may do is try to be an example for family, at least this has been my experience. What Jesus (Yeshua) said really does apply, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country in his own family." Patience and lots of prayer. May Yahweh bless you and bring all of your family to Him in Jesus, amen.
 

Katy-follower

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All one may do is try to be an example for family, at least this has been my experience. What Jesus (Yeshua) said really does apply, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country in his own family." Patience and lots of prayer. May Yahweh bless you and bring all of your family to Him in Jesus, amen.
Thanks Jaume! I know that with God all things are possible :)
 

Dude653

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Praying to saints is all based on assumption. Let's say you are praying saint Billy Bob. How do you know Saint Billy Bob is even in heaven?
 

dscherck

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Praying to saints is all based on assumption. Let's say you are praying saint Billy Bob. How do you know Saint Billy Bob is even in heaven?
Because the Church says so. And the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth according to Scripture. So we can trust in His Church.
 

loveme1

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Because the Church says so. And the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth according to Scripture. So we can trust in His Church.
The catholic organisation is not Yahshua the Messiah's, I hope that very soon you will come to see that.

Almighty Yahvah God does not change, he detests idol worship or men exalting themselves, or removing his name from his people and changing his Sabbath?

Our Heavenly Father is long suffering and it is us that needs to change not Almighty Yahvah God.

Truth is acceoted not changed...................
 

JaumeJ

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Because the Church says so. And the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth according to Scripture. So we can trust in His Church.
I would like you to study and meditate on what you have posted here. One of the titles of Jesus besides Yeshua is Emet or Truth. All truth comes from Yahweh. No man, no group of men are able to seize the truth and dictate it. If any assembly believes it has the total Truth due to its own endeavor without Yahweh, I am afraid that assembly is an abomination in the sight of our Maker and His children.
If you are considering a retort including the assembly is the Body of Yeshua, please keep in mind He is the Head, and He is not yet returned.
 
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Thanks Jaume! I know that with God all things are possible :)
I have always looked at this passage as a promise from God and held onto that promise after being the last member of my family to believe. I often wonder what would happen if we believed with all our heart and held God to His great and precious promises and like Abraham never staggered or waivered, but trusted in the integrity of God that He is faithful who promised. All things are possible to him that believes, nothing magical or with flares, but child-like trust.

Acts 16:30-32

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
 
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I would like you to study and meditate on what you have posted here. One of the titles of Jesus besides Yeshua is Emet or Truth. All truth comes from Yahweh. No man, no group of men are able to seize the truth and dictate it. If any assembly believes it has the total Truth due to its own endeavor without Yahweh, I am afraid that assembly is an abomination in the sight of our Maker and His children.
If you are considering a retort including the assembly is the Body of Yeshua, please keep in mind He is the Head, and He is not yet returned.
Nah, The Church belongs to Christ and the Church can only teach whatever the Holy Spirit demands that it teach.
 
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hermanodaniel

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Nah, The Church belongs to Christ and the Church can only teach whatever the Holy Spirit demands that it teach.
Problem is that the Catholic church is not the church of Christ my friend.
 
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hermanodaniel

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Because the Church says so. And the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth according to Scripture. So we can trust in His Church.
Not the catholic church... the true church is the church that holds the Word above all. Jesus Christ is the Word of God and just as Jesus is the only way to the Father so is the Word the only way to GOD! Its that simple! Repent my friend Jesus loves you!
 

JaumeJ

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Nah, The Church belongs to Christ and the Church can only teach whatever the Holy Spirit demands that it teach.
It seem you and your church are denying individuals who are faithful of being taught personally of the Holy Spirit, as it is written that we have no need for any man to teach us anything for the Spirit Which we have received has taught us all we need for salvation. Anything more than this is done within any true assembly through members with various gifts of the Holy Spirit.
 
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I am a devout Catholic. I am curious what you find out what you think are the most difficult teachings of the Catholic Church.

I don't want to get into any discussions on this thread, I just want to hear from you personally what you disagree with from a theological perspective so I can know where to focus my studies.

try not to read other peoples responses until you have posted. Also try to list them in order with the teachings that you believe are least likely to be scripturaly supported at top.

The things I find most difficult with common protestant theology is
1) sola fide,
2) sola scriptura,
3) and the lack of infant baptism.
I thought Catholics were Christians.
 
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SantoSubito

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It seem you and your church are denying individuals who are faithful of being taught personally of the Holy Spirit, as it is written that we have no need for any man to teach us anything for the Spirit Which we have received has taught us all we need for salvation. Anything more than this is done within any true assembly through members with various gifts of the Holy Spirit.
True, an individual can be taught by the Holy Spirit but the promise of infallibility is given to the collective Church and not to the individuals that make it up. Even you, I believe, would acknowledge that you may have some things wrong.


1 Timothy 3:15: "But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth."
 

JaumeJ

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True, an individual can be taught by the Holy Spirit but the promise of infallibility is given to the collective Church and not to the individuals that make it up. Even you, I believe, would acknowledge that you may have some things wrong.


1 Timothy 3:15: "But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth."
This was taught in a non-catholic, non-papist assembly, they were disciples of Yeshua.
 

dscherck

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This was taught in a non-catholic, non-papist assembly, they were disciples of Yeshua.
And Yeshua established the Catholic Church and appointed Peter the first pope. So, it was taught in a Catholic/Papist assembly.
 

loveme1

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And Yeshua established the Catholic Church and appointed Peter the first pope. So, it was taught in a Catholic/Papist assembly.
the pagans have adopted peter as first pope etc...

He is a disciple of Yahshua the Messiah.
 

JaumeJ

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And Yeshua established the Catholic Church and appointed Peter the first pope. So, it was taught in a Catholic/Papist assembly.
Nothing is mentioned about the papist roman church.
Deu 30:3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
Deu 30:4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
Deu 30:5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. (This is not the carrying away to Babylon.)