once saved always saved saved is a doctrine of the devil

[Tan]

Are we to believe that as soon as we accept Jesus in our lives that our salvation is secure? Again people are quick to run to the Apostle Paul’s writing, grabbing a couple of verse that preachers have grossly mistaught. And they have built a false teaching regarding “once saved always saved”. Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord. People are being taught that once you are quote “saved” that you can never fall to the spiritually lost condition. This is not true and totally unbiblical; this teaching is a damnable heresy brought in by man. To teach someone that all they have to do is believe on Christ and you are saved is a doctrine of the devil. Many who teach eternal security teach that once a man is saved no matter how wicked he becomes he is still saved. Thus the teaching “once saved always saved”. Then you asked them what are you saved from? Or how did you obtain your salvation? And most cannot answer these questions. Some even say that sense I have been “saved” I am living a sinless life.
(1John:1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. According to bible you can’t be living a sinless life, because if you make such a statement, you just lied

Paul said in (1Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means

 

[mule]

I am not a once saved always saved person -- but doctrine of the devil PLEASE !! haha

 

[Red33]

Are we to believe that as soon as we accept Jesus in our lives that our salvation is secure? Again people are quick to run to the Apostle Paul’s writing, grabbing a couple of verse that preachers have grossly mistaught. And they have built a false teaching regarding “once saved always saved”. Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord. People are being taught that once you are quote “saved” that you can never fall to the spiritually lost condition. This is not true and totally unbiblical; this teaching is a damnable heresy brought in by man. To teach someone that all they have to do is believe on Christ and you are saved is a doctrine of the devil. Many who teach eternal security teach that once a man is saved no matter how wicked he becomes he is still saved. Thus the teaching “once saved always saved”. Then you asked them what are you saved from? Or how did you obtain your salvation? And most cannot answer these questions. Some even say that sense I have been “saved” I am living a sinless life.
(1John:1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. According to bible you can’t be living a sinless life, because if you make such a statement, you just lied

Paul said in (1Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means

Do you hold some kind of grudge against the grace of God and the finished work that Christ accomplished on the cross for us and as us through His death, burial and resurrection? There has never been a person born who was able to keep himself from sin, so what makes you think that man has the ability to keep himself in the salvation of God that comes by grace through faith? Man cannot keep himself any more than he could pay for his own sins and be justified. Christ as a perfect sacrifice with His own blood had to do that for sinful man.

The only part that sinful man could do is believe what Christ did and accept it by faith. It's called 'trusting God'. The rest is up to God who first begins a work in the believer and continues that work unto the day of redemption. Our job is to walk by faith as a justified sinner and put on Christ as we grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord. God is very secure in the power of His own salvation He has provided sinful man and in His ability to keep that salvation for those who believe upon His Son. Man is the one that has a problem believing and accepting this great salvation by faith and believing that God can saved them to the uttermost.

 

[Dude653]

Im not sure that I believe once saved always saved. Doesnt that imply that all you have to do is confess Christ, and you can live any kind of way and expect God to have grace for that??

 

[Bookends]

Ignorance never settles a question.

 

[Bookends]

According to bible you can’t be living a sinless life,

This is where your error lies.

read my post Refute this, the law was made to be broken!!

 

[Tan]

Do you hold some kind of grudge against the grace of God and the finished work that Christ accomplished on the cross for us and as us through His death, burial and resurrection? There has never been a person born who was able to keep himself from sin, so what makes you think that man has the ability to keep himself in the salvation of God that comes by grace through faith? Man cannot keep himself any more than he could pay for his own sins and be justified. Christ as a perfect sacrifice with His own blood had to do that for sinful man.

The only part that sinful man could do is believe what Christ did and accept it by faith. It's called 'trusting God'. The rest is up to God who first begins a work in the believer and continues that work unto the day of redemption. Our job is to walk by faith as a justified sinner and put on Christ as we grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord. God is very secure in the power of His own salvation He has provided sinful man and in His ability to keep that salvation for those who believe upon His Son. Man is the one that has a problem believing and accepting this great salvation by faith and believing that God can saved them to the uttermost.

Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

 

[Tan]

Im not sure that I believe once saved always saved. Doesnt that imply that all you have to do is confess Christ, and you can live any kind of way and expect God to have grace for that??

You are correct and I agree with you. Paul said in Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Paul said, "as ye have always obeyed," people today don't think about all the writing of Pauls, never comes to mind Obey what? Paul said," work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" This is serious business, understanding the fear of God...Jesus said in Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, fear him.

 

[Tan]

This is where your error lies.

read my post Refute this, the law was made to be broken!!

Which law?

 

[Red33]

Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

You have no idea what salvation by grace is all about nor do you have any idea who the Lamb of God is who took away the sins of the world. You have alot of 'fowl' air that you are breathing on this site and there are others just like you that have never been translated from the power of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear Son. That's my judgment and if others don't like it complain to God about it.

 

[Tan]

You have no idea what salvation by grace is all about nor do you have any idea who the Lamb of God is who took away the sins of the world. You have alot of 'fowl' air that you are breathing on this site and there are others just like you that have never been translated from the power of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear Son. That's my judgment and if others don't like it complain to God about it.

Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. I understand you disagree, but prove to me I have no idea what salvation by grace means...prove it like Paul said, don't get upset, get in to that Bible using scriptures and verses to do so, not just cheap talk, scriptures and verses!

 

[Bookends]

Im not sure that I believe once saved always saved. Doesnt that imply that all you have to do is confess Christ, and you can live any kind of way and expect God to have grace for that??

not at all, read my post Refute this, the LAW was made to be broken and tell me what you think.

 

[Red33]

Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. I understand you disagree, but prove to me I have no idea what salvation by grace means...prove it like Paul said, don't get upset, get in to that Bible using scriptures and verses to do so, not just cheap talk, scriptures and verses![/quote

If I have done it once I have done it 100 times and those who will not receive it are those that do not want to believe it. Are you any different? If God can't convince you of the truth of His grace that has come through His Son, how will I? You have established your heart with your own doctrine and not the doctrine of Christ. Either God approves us through grace and truth or we are disapproved.

 

[Blain]

ok why is there an argument bout this? this is what i know, you accept christ into your life and you believe in him and what he has done and because of that we can bow down before god with no shame and we are clean. If you truly love him even if you have a spiritual crises you will never give up, loving god makes you keep his laws naturally. he molds you into what he desire you to be. If you give up on him then that is your decision but he won't give up on you. And as for something to be a doctrine of the devil that seems to me to be more of an opinion than a fact, true enough the devil loves to use scripture to trick us but that is why you ask god for wisdom and insight so if the devil does try you will see his trick. Taking scripture out of context is very common so ask yourself honestly is this your opinion or god's?

 

[moment_of_faith]

John 10: 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, 29 for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else.[d] No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand. 30 The Father and I are one.”

 

[Bookends]

Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

Yeah, if the Israelites couldn't obey the LAW, what makes you think you can do it.

 

[Bookends]

You are correct and I agree with you. Paul said in Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Paul said, "as ye have always obeyed," people today don't think about all the writing of Pauls, never comes to mind Obey what? Paul said," work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" This is serious business, understanding the fear of God...Jesus said in Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, fear him.

First Luke 12:5 is talking about something entirely different. In Phil. 2:12 Paul is not talking about eternal salvation, His talking about our inner man. Once we honestly see our sin, repent and receive Jesus authentically, we are covered with the Blood of Jesus, its a done deal. Now Christ needs to change the inner man, this is the transformation that takes place, it's a life long process. You have to interpret scripture in light of scripture, otherwise you end up with contradictions, example

1 John 1:10
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

What you are using is what I call scriptorture!

 

[Bookends]

Which law?

The 10 commantments, which summarizes the moral law.

 

[starfield]

(1John:1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. According to bible you can’t be living a sinless life, because if you make such a statement, you just lied

I wholeheartedly agree that those who say they are saved while living in sin are only deceiving themselves, however I disagree with the underlined statement above. In that passage John was in no way suggesting that Christians can live in sin and be justified. He was telling believers that if they do sin, they shouldn't conceal it by saying they are in right terms with God (that would make them a liar) but should confess and forsake those sins.

Once you become a new creature in Christ you are no longer condemned as a sinner because you don't have fellowship with darkness. You can't serve two masters, Satan and the Holy one of Israel. God is holy and expects us to be holy (1 Peter 1:15-16 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.)

1 John 1:6- If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 2:1-2 - My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Scriptures interpret scriptures.

 

[Bookends]

Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

If I quote you 1 John 1:10 then we have a contradiction.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Interpret the scripture in light of scripture my friend. A better understanding of 1 John 3:4 is this:
1 John 3


Amplified Bible (AMP)


3 See what [an incredible] quality of love the Father has given (shown, bestowed on) us, that we should [be permitted to] be named and called and counted the children of God! And so we are! The reason that the world does not know (recognize, acknowledge) us is that it does not know (recognize, acknowledge) Him.
2 Beloved, we are [even here and] now God’s children; it is not yet disclosed (made clear) what we shall be [hereafter], but we know that when He comes and is manifested (THE 2nd COMING), we shall [as God’s children] resemble and be like Him (AFTER THE 2nd COMING, when are raised with incorruptible bodies), for we shall see Him (literally see HIM) just as He [really] is.
3 And everyone who has this hope [resting](FAITH) on Him cleanses (purifies) himself just as He is pure (chaste, undefiled, guiltless). (His blood does all the work through our faith in Him, not spurious faith, a real one)

4 Everyone who commits (practices) (this is a continuous offense without remorse) sin is guilty of lawlessness; for [that is what] sin is, lawlessness (the breaking, violating of God’s law by transgression or neglect—being unrestrained and unregulated by His commands and His will).
and
5 You know that He appeared in visible form and became Man to take away [upon Himself] sins, and in Him there is no sin [essentially and forever].

You render another classic example of SCRIPTORTURE!