Jesus is a God of conditional Love, not unconditional love.

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Blain

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That is true love and faith you have. you understand the situation we sinners were in and you are grateful for god's love. you are a true beleiver.
 
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Ozell considers himself a master in the Word.

Yet in all his readings I wonder how it is that he missed grace.

Ask him about Acts 15. - And why it was that the apostles didn't require Titus to get circumcised, (if Jesus doesn't fulfill the law).
 
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Ozell considers himself a master in the Word.

Yet in all his readings I wonder how it is that he missed grace.

Ask him about Acts 15. - And why it was that the apostles didn't require Titus to get circumcised, (if Jesus doesn't fulfill the law).
Galatians 2:3 (KJV)
But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

Titus was circumcised
And I understand grace which is the blood of Jesus!
 
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Know first and foremost that it is through Yahshua the Messiah that we are forgiven.

We know we have sinned by the Law of Yahvah God.

So by the same knowledge we know what to strive for not to sin.

Let us not limit Mercy and Grace by our own walk in Faith.

Teach what is pleasing to Yahvah God.

In Spirit and Truth.

Love seeks to please.

I know how pleasing it is to be Forgiven for my sins, how i felt Love that i never knew existed when i called out and he came for this wretched disgraceful sinner and Comforted me and set me free from the darkness even after all my wrongs... he never gave up on me..
1 Thessalonians 4:1 (KJV)
Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.

We all have to walk and please God

Which is a condition
 
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That is true love and faith you have. you understand the situation we sinners were in and you are grateful for god's love. you are a true beleiver.
What is God's love you are so grateful of?

People on death row ad in prisons say the same thing

What makes your statement different from theirs?
 
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Luke 9:23 - Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me". In respect there is a condition. A daily decision to follow Jesus. ALL love is a decision, we act upon it - or we don't. To Love the Lord with all our heart and mind and soul and strength and Love our neighbor as ourselves is a daily decision to deny ourselves, our physical nature, and live a life of faith. The condition is commitment. As we grow closer to Jesus, Jesus grows closer to us. There is a mutual bonding. There is a point where the act of Love is unconditional. You do it because you want to. The commitment is conditional, Love is free.
What is this love thanks free?

How can it be unconditional ad conditional?it is one or the other, it can't be both
 
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No i will not, being a christian isn't about throwing scripture at each other. It is about love between us and god which Jesus died for. If you want scriptures go read the bible. And you don't use scripture's for the right reason, you dont do it out of love you do it for pride and for the sake of being right. You can pretend to be rightious because you know scripture but you are no better than the pharasee's because you don't have love when you teach scripture. Thus it is all usless and dumb.
You wrong again young man

Read what verses I put if you think you are a chrisitan read this
John 5:39 (KJV)
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Search th scriptures to be a follower of Jesus unless you read Gods's word you are fooling yourself

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

What are you studying to shew thyself approve?

I hope it's not a denominational doctrine

Where was the love that burned the people of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Where was your God's love?

You better read and understand
 
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But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:

Ozell; - - - - But Neither Titus,........, was Compelled to be circumcised.

Titus was not compelled!

Compel -

1. To force, drive, or constrain: Duty compelled the soldiers to volunteer for the mission.
2. To necessitate or pressure by force; exact: An energy crisis compels fuel conservation. See Synonyms at force.
3. To exert a strong, irresistible force on; sway: "The land, in a certain, very real way, compels the minds of the people" (Barry Lopez).


Reread Gal. 2:3 'But neither Titus, who was with me, being a greek, was COMPELLED to
be circumcised.'

Titus was not made to get circumcised because
the apostles at Jerusalem ordered that he shouldn't. - Acts Ch. 15.

You are always asking - 'where is it written';
well there, I just showed you.
 
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Exodus 20:6 (KJV)
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Notice the conditions for God's mercy
 
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Habakkuk 3:1-2,11-13,16 (KJV)
A prayer of Habakkuk the prophet upon Shigionoth. [2] O Lord , I have heard thy speech, and was afraid: O Lord , revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy. [11] The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. [12] Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger. [13] Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah. [16] When I heard, my belly trembled; my lips quivered at the voice: rottenness entered into my bones, and I trembled in myself, that I might rest in the day of trouble: when he cometh up unto the people, he will invade them with his troops.

Why is Jesus whom you all say is the God of unconditional love invading the earth with his troops?

Surely a God of love would not come with anger and a army

He dupes to come with love as you all tells this inaccurate story
 
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He comes with His army to deal with the murderers, the killers, the wolves.
He comes with His army to make the wrongs right.
He comes with His army to set justice upon the face of the earth.
How else will the meek inherit the earth?

Will it be by the keeping of the Mosaic Law?
How has that worked out?

And speaking of keeping the law, why did not the apostles compel Titus
to get circumcised?

-- I just want an answer to that question. - Why did the apostles NOT compel
Titus to get circumcised?
 
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'Where there is knowledge, it will pass away . .......... and these three remain; faith, hope, and love'
 
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Grace empowers us to do what the truth demands us to do.i dont think a child of God will have to worry about conndtions,if we r in him,though we r weak the zeal with in us would be to please him.
Like that old hymm which says my goal is God himself..
Last part is more convicting which says
Onething I know,i cannot say him nay;
Onething I do,i press towards my lord;
My God my glory here,from day to day,
And in the glory there my great reward.

whoever wrote that hymm must have known God on his knees
 
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He comes with His army to deal with the murderers, the killers, the wolves.
He comes with His army to make the wrongs right.
He comes with His army to set justice upon the face of the earth.
How else will the meek inherit the earth?

Will it be by the keeping of the Mosaic Law?
How has that worked out?

And speaking of keeping the law, why did not the apostles compel Titus
to get circumcised?

-- I just want an answer to that question. - Why did the apostles NOT compel
Titus to get circumcised?
RICK

Why do you think they did not? There is a law of circumcison for all males.
Titus had to be if he wa going to go out an teach with Paul and be around the apostles.

Galatians 2:3 (KJV)
But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:
Lets read something that will let you k ow why Titus was forced
Acts 10:28 (KJV)
And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.



So the God who loves everyone is coming back to set justice in the earth, to make wrong right and deal with the wicked, murderes and wolves. What do all these have in common? Sin

Tell me why your God of unconditional love is coming back to deal with all that you said if his love is unconditional?
It don't make sense!
 
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Ozell,
I proved that Titus didn't get circumcised by the very word itself.
If you can't recognize that fact I can't reason anymore with you.
Because you have chosen to believe fables instead of the Word of God.

See eight previous posts
up from this one.

And in good conscience tell me Titus was circumcised.
 

Blain

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You wrong again young man

Read what verses I put if you think you are a chrisitan read this
John 5:39 (KJV)
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Search th scriptures to be a follower of Jesus unless you read Gods's word you are fooling yourself

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

What are you studying to shew thyself approve?

I hope it's not a denominational doctrine

Where was the love that burned the people of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Where was your God's love?

You better read and understand
so let me ask you this, what reason do you have to think god's love is conditional? If anyone should think that it's me. My life has been wave after wave of tragidy. I had no child hood because of the child abuse being drugged by my parents being extreemly underfed having to be alone and sad because i had no one to help me, then i got cancer it was horrible i now have major brain damage from both my parents and cancer i cannot drive or hold a job because i am so stupid. do i blame god? do i say he has no love? no, i do not allow these things to lead me from the truth, uless you know what real pain is- how harsh life can be you have no reason and no place to say the things you say. You may know scripture but in faith and god you know nothing. If you know scripture and you have read it you are blind because wis word shows how god is the being of love. I am sick of your lies and you thinking you know what your talking about, if you want to slap god in the face, call his son a lier and take for granted what Jesus did for you then that's your problem but quit acting like you know because you have no idea what life can be and the pain and sadness it brings. I have only been a christian for three months but i never blamed god for all that happened to me
 

Blain

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so let me ask you this, what reason do you have to think god's love is conditional? If anyone should think that it's me. My life has been wave after wave of tragidy. I had no child hood because of the child abuse being drugged by my parents being extreemly underfed having to be alone and sad because i had no one to help me, then i got cancer it was horrible i now have major brain damage from both my parents and cancer i cannot drive or hold a job because i am so stupid. do i blame god? do i say he has no love? no, i do not allow these things to lead me from the truth, uless you know what real pain is- how harsh life can be you have no reason and no place to say the things you say. You may know scripture but in faith and god you know nothing. If you know scripture and you have read it you are blind because wis word shows how god is the being of love. I am sick of your lies and you thinking you know what your talking about, if you want to slap god in the face, call his son a lier and take for granted what Jesus did for you then that's your problem but quit acting like you know because you have no idea what life can be and the pain and sadness it brings. I have only been a christian for three months but i never blamed god for all that happened to me
I apolagize for my angered answerAs proverbs 15:18 says a hot tempered man stirs up dissension, But a patient man calms a quarrel. it is true i have had a painful life but i should not have used it as a reason to argue. But god shows us his love everday, just being alive is proof of his love. He is an allpowerful god, he could easily make us die anytime he wants, but allows us to live because he wants a loving relationship with us. if we cannot accept he loves us then what was the point of jesus dting on the cross?
 
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I apolagize for my angered answerAs proverbs 15:18 says a hot tempered man stirs up dissension, But a patient man calms a quarrel. it is true i have had a painful life but i should not have used it as a reason to argue. But god shows us his love everday, just being alive is proof of his love. He is an allpowerful god, he could easily make us die anytime he wants, but allows us to live because he wants a loving relationship with us. if we cannot accept he loves us then what was the point of jesus dting on the cross?
I feel for you dude.

You're looking in the mirror and trying to wipe off the fog. I respect that.

Nobody's perfect.
 
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Our Lost depraved condition or what we lack or even what we have of his Omnipotent Agape is simple and obvious it is this: that receiving His Omnipotent Agape will require us (which is a condition) to receive because we are not the source of our existance. He is the source of our existance and that in itself reqires conditions especially after we have bee separated from Him by our sins. Conditions to receive His love there is no offence or weakness in God having conditions but only because of our weakness and rebellion and sin, the remedy is receiving this is conditioned upon removal of our doubts and unbelief in Him and His Omnipotent Agape. This receiving has a great mystery this mystery is that after we receive we will not begrudge to give all that we receive of Him to Him and to others now and also in His Kingdom forever. There are many Conditions ifs and thens but the condition of our separation from Him caused by our sins does not cause God to shrink from offering to us himself and all of Himself.
 
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What is this love thanks free?

How can it be unconditional ad conditional?it is one or the other, it can't be both
It might be so far beyond us that mere reading scriputre is not and could not explain the real unmitigated Omnipotent Agape that eminates from Him, reading from even THE book can not describe all that is in the fullness of His presence. If one has been there then they may be able to witness and testify of it , we do have the testimony of one who came from heaven and did not fill all the world with books to describe it but did one simple act to show AND ACCOMPLISHED IT (on the cross)