Christmas is Indeed of Pagan Origin

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zone

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hopesprings

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oh boy...this thread really brings to mind 1 Cor. 10:29...
 
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servantotehmosthigh

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servantotehmosthigh

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oh stop.
we've all been here done this.
PREACH JESUS CHRIST.

don't be fanatical.
have a gingerbread man
God Bless.


These words are from the Most High's mouth not mine. Christ was preaching what his father was telling us. The same truth that end up getting him crucified. So if you are looking for Christ teaching its in the bible. So if you are rejecting the father's teaching, you are rejecting Christ teaching vice versa
 

zone

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These words are from the Most High's mouth not mine. Christ was preaching what his father was telling us. The same truth that end up getting him crucified. So if you are looking for Christ teaching its in the bible. So if you are rejecting the father's teaching, you are rejecting Christ teaching vice versa
mkay.
ya caught me.
*hands up in air*



the idol of candy cane.
busted.

~

servantotehmosthigh....rly, just hushy now, k?
cuz somewhere down the road you'll be embarrassed by all this.

anyhoo.
 
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kenisyes

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servantotehmosthigh;859180[FONT=arial said:
Passover, Pentecost, Purim, Feast of Dedication, Feast of Tabernacles, Day of Atonement, Blowing of Trumpets
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So how do you celebrate these feasts?
 
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kenisyes

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conceived c. Dec 25, born c. Sept 29
That explains John 7:8. "My time has not fully come". He stayed at home to celebrate His 30-th birthday (the official date when He was "supposed to start a public ministry" if He cared to).
 
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I keep hearing the phrase, "pagan origins" What's that got to do with anything? There are some religions out there that had "Christian origins", but they're no longer Christian. Their origins changed nothing. Their origins mean nothing.
So how does pagan origins mean anything for Christmas today? Do we serve these gods? I do agree that there is a Santa idolatry, but the rest has no bearing at all on the church.
What would you do if there was a religion that had pagan origins, but was completely changed into Christianity? Would we bomb it with insults because it had pagan origins? Would we judge it to Hell because of its origins?
 
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these are typical urban legends about christmas...all of them are nonsense...

the passage from jeremiah is about making an asherah idol...which had no resemblance to a christmas tree...

there is -zero- evidence that there was ever a person named 'semiramis' associated with nimrod...not in the bible or in -any- historical record...

the kind of decree augustus issued was -not- a typical annual taxation...it was a decree for a special census and tax that did not take place regularly...so it cannot just be linked to the harvest...regular taxes on harvests were done by herod without the emperor's decree...

also some shepherds actually -are- known to have kept their flocks in the fields all through the winter...especially shepherds in the areas close to towns where they could bring their sheep into town for shelter within a few hours if necessary... additionally there were special flocks of sheep raised for temple sacrifices that were kept in the fields year round...

finally there -is- one calculation that gives a date in late december for jesus' birth...it is based on the biblical mention of zechariah's priestly division combined with josephus' mention of a specific priestly division serving on a date that has been historically established... the calculation is not absolutely certain but it is at least as likely as the similar calculations that put jesus' birth during the feast of tabernacles...
Let's call him Tamuz then, shall we ... lots of mom's wailing at the wall this Christmas season of the child sacrifice gods ...
Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was
toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Ezekiel 8:14


And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at
the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were
about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the
LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Ezekial 8:16

 
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Let's call him Tamuz then, shall we ... lots of mom's wailing at the wall this Christmas season of the child sacrifice gods ...
Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was
toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Ezekiel 8:14


And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at
the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were
about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the
LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Ezekial 8:16

They might be wailing in the Walmart checkout aisle. Otherwise, I don't have a clue what you're talking about.
 
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hopesprings

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These verses do not declare your position to be right. But, I think you must have been responding to my signature instead of my actual post. :) no matter.

If you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit, for celebrating Christmas, fine. Then don't celebrate it. That is between you and God. If I haven't been convicted by the Holy Spirit for celebrating Christmas, then fine. That is between me and God. It doesn't really matter if Christmas has pagan origins or not; our family celebrates the birth of Christ on that day. And, we are free to do that or free to choose a different day, or not at all.
1 Cor. 10:29 says 'why should my liberty be determined by someone else's conscience.'

As for the last sentence of your post - I don't understand why some Christian's feel the need to evaluate anothers faith based on the smallest amount of evidence possible. Is it just me, or is there a common occurance of telling people to 'repent' or 'wake up' because they're beliefs differ in some very small ways?

So...I will say...I am saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved. :D
 
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Eccl12and13

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Christmas is not pagan, santa claus is token from St.Nicolas. who gave children toys. no complicated. As the Holy Roman Catholic Church teaches, and that church was started by the lord himself.


Really? The RCC was started by the LORD? Did God also instruct us to pray to Mary, believe in purgatory, and tell men and women not to marry?


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servantotehmosthigh

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These verses do not declare your position to be right. But, I think you must have been responding to my signature instead of my actual post. :) no matter.

If you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit, for celebrating Christmas, fine. Then don't celebrate it. That is between you and God. If I haven't been convicted by the Holy Spirit for celebrating Christmas, then fine. That is between me and God. It doesn't really matter if Christmas has pagan origins or not; our family celebrates the birth of Christ on that day. And, we are free to do that or free to choose a different day, or not at all.
1 Cor. 10:29 says 'why should my liberty be determined by someone else's conscience.'

As for the last sentence of your post - I don't understand why some Christian's feel the need to evaluate anothers faith based on the smallest amount of evidence possible. Is it just me, or is there a common occurance of telling people to 'repent' or 'wake up' because they're beliefs differ in some very small ways?

So...I will say...I am saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved. :D

First and for most I respect your comment but all in all I am not here to condemn people all I am doing as a follower of Christ is EXPOSING THE LIES THAT SATAN has established starting with the infiltration of the church starting with Constantine. Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Christ warned us of this in Matthew 24

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.


24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.


Also in 1 John 4- about false prophets
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.




Therefore, we were warned that many false prophets teaching in the name of Christ have gone out in the world and in the same tongue have deceived the masses. We are now in the era of learning the truth in which many people: Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc have begun to acknowledge the true gospel and therefore have denounced their religion and are now living in the ways of the lord. Being a follower of Christ in which I have been awakened to the true gospel, my purpose is to expose the LIES that we all have encountered that Satan has used to ensnare us. This is what Christ and his disciples were doing. For me to know the true gospel and not spread to the masses who may be looking for the truth would deem me as a false follower of Christ.





You have to remember Christ taught everyone; he did not stand up on the pulpit looking down on people, he taught in the highways and byways healing everyone who were willing to be healed spiritually, physically. So that I am putting this info out backed by scripture it's just for those who are simply needing answers in which the Most may lead them to find it. So it 's up to you or whomever to accept it or just move it on if it does not agree to you regardless of scripture. After all we all have free will to choose or reject anything
 
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[/indent] They might be wailing in the Walmart checkout aisle. Otherwise, I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I made a comment about Nimrod worship on Christmas. Nimrod had other deity names through different nations as explained above. Tammuz is one of those dieities worshipped in which he also ignorantly reverenced around Easter. Odin another name if I can reflect story is similar to the story of Santa Claus. The problem is that these dieties are being ignorantly reverenced in the act of reverencing Christ. It's not to blame anyone because this was Satan's tactic to infiltrate the true doctrine of Christianity. Christ warns us about this in Matthew 24 and 1 John 4 . Something to definitely look into if you want the truth
 
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Let's call him Tamuz then, shall we ... lots of mom's wailing at the wall this Christmas season of the child sacrifice gods ...
Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was
toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. Ezekiel 8:14


And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at
the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were
about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the
LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Ezekial 8:16

tammuz has no connection with nimrod either...also there is absolutely -no- biblical or historical evidence that -any- of the pagan deities you listed have any connection with nimrod...

nimrod isn't even mentioned in any ancient texts besides the bible...so we have no record of -anything- he did outside of what the bible specifically says...and 'semiramis' as you understand her -never even existed-

you need to study a lot more history and a lot less hislop...
 
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I made a comment about Nimrod worship on Christmas. Nimrod had other deity names through different nations as explained above. Tammuz is one of those dieities worshipped in which he also ignorantly reverenced around Easter. Odin another name if I can reflect story is similar to the story of Santa Claus. The problem is that these dieties are being ignorantly reverenced in the act of reverencing Christ. It's not to blame anyone because this was Satan's tactic to infiltrate the true doctrine of Christianity. Christ warns us about this in Matthew 24 and 1 John 4 . Something to definitely look into if you want the truth
it is impossible to overstate how -completely made up- this stuff is...unfortunately you have fallen for totally fabricated junk history...
 
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servantotehmosthigh

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So how do you celebrate these feasts?

Throughout the bible starting in the book of Lev it tells us how to celebrate these feasts

Passover

We celebrate the Passover by making a Holy Convocation and eating lamb made with fire, bitter herbs and unleavened bread. This should be done as closely as possible to how our fathers did it in Exodus the 12th chapter. We don’t deal with the sacrificial part of it because Christ fulfilled this by dying for our sins on the cross. “Exo 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Exo 12:9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.”
The feast of Unleavened Bread should be celebrated by removing leaven (yeast) from our homes so we don’t consume anything with leaven for seven days. For seven days we are to feast and celebrate but the 1st and 7th day shall be a Holy Covocation (gathering).
“Exo 12:19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land. Exo 12:20 Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread.”


Pentecost

Today we celebrate this by feasting and remembering the feast of First Fruits (Pentecost) in which the Disciples received the gift of the Holy Spirit and began to speak with different tongue and all men of all nations understood them as if they spoke in their native tongue in which they were born.
Act 20:16 For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.


Blowing of Trumpets
We are to have a Holy Convocation and to feast unto the Most High.


Day of Atonement


We are to have a Holy Convocation in which we do no servile work and afflict our souls with fasting and prayer. A guide to how to fast is shown in these scripture: (Isaiah 58:1-14 and Matthew 6:16-18)


Feast of Tabernacles


We celebrate this feast by not doing any servile work on the 1st or 8th day of the feast and having holy Convocations in which we come together with church and feast. We are also to dwell in booths or tabernacles as our forefathers did.


Feast of Dedication



We are to feast and have a Holy Convocation to the Most High and read through the scriptures showing how we regained control of our temple.


Purim


This Holy Day is celebrated by feasting and reading through the scriptures to get the history of the events that lead to the Jews being saved from their enemies by the Most High and Mordecia and Esther. It is also a time to send gifts to each other.
“Est 9:19 Therefore the Jews of the villages, that dwelt in the unwalled towns, made the fourteenth day of the month Adar a day of gladness and feasting, and a good day, and of sending portions one to another.”
 
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I'm sorry, I think you misunderstood. I mean how do you personally celebrate these feasts?
 
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servantotehmosthigh

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it is impossible to overstate how -completely made up- this stuff is...unfortunately you have fallen for totally fabricated junk history...
Do you have any scripture as to proven that this is junk because I have EVERY PROOF that it is'nt


Tammuz Ezekiel 8:14

14Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.


Queen Mother of Heaven


Jer 7:18


18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jeremiah 44:18

18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.




Act 7:43


43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.




Is this fabricated junk?


Now research about the many names under the queen mother of heaven and Tammuz and Moloch
 
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servantotehmosthigh

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I'm sorry, I think you misunderstood. I mean how do you personally celebrate these feasts?


I personally celebrate those holy days according to what I have prior messaged you. For instance, I just celebrated with my family the feast of dedication. I educated my oldest son about the history of the Maccabees during the reign of Antiochus of Epiphanes located in the Apocrypha 1 and 2 Maccabees and throughout the KJV. The Apocrypha has missing books of the bible taken out by the Roman Catholic Church in 1928. Books like the rest of Esther, Wisdom of Solomon, and other books in which the bible reverenced through historical scripture.


I had a feast during that day and reflected with my family why we celebrate this day. We also exchanged gifts throughout the 8 day period.

Next is the celebration of Purim: This would be celebrated by exchanging gifts and feasting

passover: This is another 8 day celebration. Christ should really be reverenced on this day because symbolically he was the ultimate lamb sacrifice for our sin. So we feast, people perform, people are getting baptised etc . This year our family went to New York to the passover feast and feast of unleavened breads.