Christmas is Indeed of Pagan Origin

[RachelBibleStudent]

Do you have any scripture as to proven that this is junk because I have EVERY PROOF that it is'nt


Tammuz Ezekiel 8:14

14Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.


Queen Mother of Heaven


Jer 7:18


18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jeremiah 44:18

18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.




Act 7:43


43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.




Is this fabricated junk?


Now research about the many names under the queen mother of heaven and Tammuz and Moloch

ezekiel 8 only proves that in old testament times some people worshipped tammuz and some people worshipped the sun...you have not proven that this has anything to do with nimrod or 'semiramis' or christmas...

jeremiah 7 and jeremiah 44 only prove that in old testament times some people worshipped a deity called the 'queen of heaven' along with other gods...again you have not proven that this has anything to do with 'semiramis' or nimrod or christmas...

acts 7 only proves that in old testament times some people worshipped a deity called molech and a star deity that the greeks called remphan...yet again you have not proven that this has anything to do with nimrod or 'semiramis' or christmas...

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

tammuz has no connection with nimrod either...also there is absolutely -no- biblical or historical evidence that -any- of the pagan deities you listed have any connection with nimrod...

nimrod isn't even mentioned in any ancient texts besides the bible...so we have no record of -anything- he did outside of what the bible specifically says...and 'semiramis' as you understand her -never even existed-

you need to study a lot more history and a lot less hislop...

Really, it is just mother-child worship ... more so in the case of an 'Emmanuel' child which is Mithra ... I think we see that in Black and White in the current US President -- it could be current events and simple observation rather than history, it is just that history gives us long term perspective. With 'single-mom' worship and alms from the government, a 40 percent illegitimacy rate ensues, to say nothing of the 45 MILLION Aborted infants who were not worshiped at the time by their mothers.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

now here is some research for you to do...

find -any- mention of nimrod in -any- ancient mesopotamian text...and by 'ancient mesopotamian text' i don't mean modern books that make claims based on unspecified 'babylonian' sources...i mean actual texts produced by an ancient mesopotamian civilization and referenced by name...

you can start searching for nonexistent mentions of nimrod in the various mesopotamian king lists...

once you give up on that...you can discover who the historical 'semiramis' actually was...find out her original assyrian name...and who her -real- husband and son were...you can also determine when she lived...

if you make an honest attempt to study documented history instead of falling for junk history...you will find that the claims you have been promoting are complete fabrications...

and if you ask nicely i might even tell you how they were fabricated...

 

[kenisyes]

I personally celebrate those holy days according to what I have prior messaged you. For instance, I just celebrated with my family the feast of dedication. I educated my oldest son about the history of the Maccabees during the reign of Antiochus of Epiphanes located in the Apocrypha 1 and 2 Maccabees and throughout the KJV. The Apocrypha has missing books of the bible taken out by the Roman Catholic Church in 1928. Books like the rest of Esther, Wisdom of Solomon, and other books in which the bible reverenced through historical scripture.


I had a feast during that day and reflected with my family why we celebrate this day. We also exchanged gifts throughout the 8 day period.

Next is the celebration of Purim: This would be celebrated by exchanging gifts and feasting

passover: This is another 8 day celebration. Christ should really be reverenced on this day because symbolically he was the ultimate lamb sacrifice for our sin. So we feast, people perform, people are getting baptised etc . This year our family went to New York to the passover feast and feast of unleavened breads.

Reading is a good start. The New York experience is even better. Have you ever done anything with Messianic Jews? Christians (meaning gentiles), IMO, talk too much about heaven, and not how much God wants to share His love on earth. We don't really know how to CELEBRATE God. Have a look at how we do http://www.kenbehrens.com/Tabernacles.pdf

 

[zone]

Being a follower of Christ in which I have been awakened to the true gospel, my purpose is to expose the LIES that we all have encountered that Satan has used to ensnare us. This is what Christ and his disciples were doing. For me to know the true gospel and not spread to the masses who may be looking for the truth would deem me as a false follower of Christ.

could you please present the true gospel in a single post?
everything needed to bring one to repentance and the forgiveness of sins, for salvation of their souls.
just one post please.
thank you.
zone

 

[zone]

I had a feast during that day and reflected with my family why we celebrate this day. We also exchanged gifts throughout the 8 day period.

Next is the celebration of Purim: This would be celebrated by exchanging gifts and feasting

you claim to be a true follower of Christ and celebrate the filthy pagan kabbalistic holiday of Purim?
i don't think so.

subscribing to your threads...

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

It doesn't have to be 'nim rod' and 'tamuz' ... it could be the magic baby "Adam" [Lanza] of GE Meatball Fame, JACK [welch] and JEFF [Immelt] who killed Noah and Jack and several others and the weeping occurs outside the NY City Bedroom community of New Town. It's illegitimacy, mother worship, impregnate them, hide them away, empower and enrich them, and then, too often, kill the illigitimate child and many other children in christmas ritual child sacrifice. It is all "to amuse" (T-amuz).

 

[zone]

Purim:
"In any event, whatever the true history of the festival of Purim, it had long become established by the second century of the Common Era when a whole tractate of the Talmud, called the Megillah, was devoted to the details of the observance."

Purim Origins - My Jewish Learning < click

 

[zone]

Christians we need to wake up!

please tell me all about your holy holiday PURIM.
i'll wait here.

 

[servantotehmosthigh]

you claim to be a true follower of Christ and celebrate the filthy pagan kabbalistic holiday of Purim?
i don't think so.

subscribing to your threads...

Esther 9:26


26Wherefore they called these days Purim after the name of Pur. Therefore for all the words of this letter, and of that which they had seen concerning this matter, and which had come unto them,
27 The Jews ordained, and took upon them, and upon their seed, and upon all such as joined themselves unto them, so as it should not fail, that they would keep these two days according to their writing, and according to their appointed time every year;
28 And that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city; and that these days of Purim should not fail from among the Jews, nor the memorial of them perish from their seed.
29 Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote with all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim.



These are real holy days spoken of in the Bible NOT of Kabbalistic origin pertaining to how the Queen Esther saved the Jews

Please dont be deceived but seek out the words of the book

 

[zone]

Esther 9:26
26Wherefore they called these days Purim after the name of Pur. Therefore for all the words of this letter, and of that which they had seen concerning this matter, and which had come unto them,
27 The Jews ordained, and took upon them, and upon their seed, and upon all such as joined themselves unto them, so as it should not fail, that they would keep these two days according to their writing, and according to their appointed time every year;
28 And that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city; and that these days of Purim should not fail from among the Jews, nor the memorial of them perish from their seed.
29 Then Esther the queen, the daughter of Abihail, and Mordecai the Jew, wrote with all authority, to confirm this second letter of Purim.

These are real holy days spoken of in the Bible NOT of Kabbalistic origin pertaining to how the Queen Esther saved the Jews

Please dont be deceived but seek out the words of the book

i see.
and what do you do and eat on that day? what is celebrated?

i already know so let's have it straight up. yes dear....i know all about it.

show it to me in the New Testament.
second thought....don't touch the Clean thing with your unclean thing....

so tell me about the celebration....

 

[servantotehmosthigh]

please tell me all about your holy holiday PURIM.
i'll wait here.

So the MY jewishlearning.com A commerical web based source- not credible over the BIBLE is proof to your rebuttable

Psalms 118


8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.


8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.


Col 2:8

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

you claim to be a true follower of Christ and celebrate the filthy pagan kabbalistic holiday of Purim?

esther 9:18-22..."The Jews in Susa, however, had assembled on the thirteenth and fourteenth, and then on the fifteenth they rested and made it a day of feasting and joy. That is why rural Jews&#8212;those living in villages&#8212;observe the fourteenth of the month of Adar as a day of joy and feasting, a day for giving presents to each other. Mordecai recorded these events, and he sent letters to all the Jews throughout the provinces of King Xerxes, near and far, to have them celebrate annually the fourteenth and fifteenth days of the month of Adar as the time when the Jews got relief from their enemies, and as the month when their sorrow was turned into joy and their mourning into a day of celebration. He wrote them to observe the days as days of feasting and joy and giving presents of food to one another and gifts to the poor."

you can debate the way purim is traditionally celebrated in later judaism...but the holiday itself is biblical...

it can however be conceded that even in the bible the observance of purim was not commanded by God but recommended by a godly jew instead...

 

[servantotehmosthigh]

i see.
and what do you do and eat on that day? what is celebrated?

i already know so let's have it straight up. yes dear....i know all about it.

show it to me in the New Testament.
second thought....don't touch the Clean thing with your unclean thing....

so tell me about the celebration....

Ooh so I thought you diidn't know Lol!


The holy day is not mentioned in the New testament. However because it i not in there does not mean that it is done away with like many also believe that the commandments are done away with but that's another thread.


I celebrate the holy day with feast and remembrance eating clean foods according to Lev chapt 11. Also around this holy we exchange gifts

 

[zone]

So the MY jewishlearning.com A commerical web based source- not credible over the BIBLE is proof to your rebuttable
Psalms 118
8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:8

how dare you quote my Lord's Scriptures while mixing it with that trash.

~

The Purim Drunk
By Yanki Tauber

Question:

Are Jews actually supposed to get drunk on Purim? I understand there is a statement in the Talmud to that effect, but perhaps it is not to be taken literally? It seems such an unJewish thing to do! Surely there are other, more refined and more spiritual ways of celebrating and showing joy!

Answer:

The source of this practice is a passage from the Talmudic tractate Megillah (7b):

Rava said: A person is obligated to drink on Purim until he does not know the difference between "cursed be Haman" and "blessed be Mordechai"

The issue of whether and how Rava&#8217;s statement should be implemented in practice is a matter of disagreement between various Halachic authorities. The question, however, is not what Rava means, but whether or not the Talmud contains another opinion, contrary to Rava&#8217;s (see Ran and Baal HaMaor on Talmud, Megillah 7b; Bach and Beit Yosef on the Tur, Orach Chaim, 695).

Many of the greatest Halachists follow Rava&#8217;s ruling. Maimonides writes: "What is the obligation of the [Purim] feast? That one should eat meat ... and drink wine until he is drunk and falls asleep from drunkenness" (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Megillah, 2:15). The Rif, Rosh, Tur and Shulchan Aruch all cite Rava&#8217;s dictum without any qualification. The Rama, on the other hand, comments that "There are others who say that one need not become that drunk, but rather that one should drink more than is one&#8217;s custom." The Rama concludes: "Whether one drinks more or drinks less, the main thing is that his intention is for the sake of Heaven."

......

But there is one day in the year in which we enjoy direct, immediate access to these truths. This day is Purim. The Jew who rejoices on Purim--who rejoices in his bond with G-d without equivocation--has no need for reason. For he is in touch with his truest self--a self before which his animalistic drives are neutralized, a self which requires no medium by which to express itself and no intermediaries by which to relate to its source in G-d.

The Jew who rejoices on Purim no longer requires the mind to tell him the difference between "cursed be Haman" and "blessed be Mordechai"; he is above it all, relating to the divine truth that transcends the bifurcation of good and evil. For the Jew who rejoices on Purim, the mind is utterly superfluous, something which only encumbers the outpouring of his soul, something which only quantifies and qualifies that which is infinite and all-pervading. So he puts his mind to sleep for a few hours, in order to allow his true self to emerge

The Purim Drunk - Lessons and Insights < click

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

show it to me in the New Testament.

actually it is very likely that purim was the 'feast of the jews' that jesus attended in jerusalem in john 5:1...no other known feast fits the time frame...

 

[servantotehmosthigh]

could you please present the true gospel in a single post?
everything needed to bring one to repentance and the forgiveness of sins, for salvation of their souls.
just one post please.
thank you.
zone

Unfortunately, it would have to several thread for that

But honestly for one to come to repentance one must want to the seek the truth of God in their heart, they must want something more in order to feel a completeness in life. People who don't have a personal relationship with God they will always have a avoid in their regardless of their personal success. everyone was born of a higher purpose in life it's up to us if we want to utilize it through the works of the living God or through Satan

 

[zone]

Unfortunately, it would have to several thread for that

But honestly for one to come to repentance one must want to the seek the truth of God in their heart, they must want something more in order to feel a completeness in life. People who don't have a personal relationship with God they will always have a avoid in their regardless of their personal success. everyone was born of a higher purpose in life it's up to us if we want to utilize it through the works of the living God or through Satan

what is that higher purpose. please do tell.

i thought you said you knew the true gospel?

go for it.

this is your thread. or make as many as you like.
you said you know the true Gospel.
let's have it.

btw: when you celebrate purim, will you be cursing the jews' enemies?
just a yes or no please.

 

[servantotehmosthigh]

how dare you quote my Lord's Scriptures while mixing it with that trash.

~

The Purim Drunk
By Yanki Tauber

Question:

Are Jews actually supposed to get drunk on Purim? I understand there is a statement in the Talmud to that effect, but perhaps it is not to be taken literally? It seems such an unJewish thing to do! Surely there are other, more refined and more spiritual ways of celebrating and showing joy!

Answer:

The source of this practice is a passage from the Talmudic tractate Megillah (7b):

Rava said: A person is obligated to drink on Purim until he does not know the difference between "cursed be Haman" and "blessed be Mordechai"

The issue of whether and how Rava’s statement should be implemented in practice is a matter of disagreement between various Halachic authorities. The question, however, is not what Rava means, but whether or not the Talmud contains another opinion, contrary to Rava’s (see Ran and Baal HaMaor on Talmud, Megillah 7b; Bach and Beit Yosef on the Tur, Orach Chaim, 695).

Many of the greatest Halachists follow Rava’s ruling. Maimonides writes: "What is the obligation of the [Purim] feast? That one should eat meat ... and drink wine until he is drunk and falls asleep from drunkenness" (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Megillah, 2:15). The Rif, Rosh, Tur and Shulchan Aruch all cite Rava’s dictum without any qualification. The Rama, on the other hand, comments that "There are others who say that one need not become that drunk, but rather that one should drink more than is one’s custom." The Rama concludes: "Whether one drinks more or drinks less, the main thing is that his intention is for the sake of Heaven."

......

But there is one day in the year in which we enjoy direct, immediate access to these truths. This day is Purim. The Jew who rejoices on Purim--who rejoices in his bond with G-d without equivocation--has no need for reason. For he is in touch with his truest self--a self before which his animalistic drives are neutralized, a self which requires no medium by which to express itself and no intermediaries by which to relate to its source in G-d.

The Jew who rejoices on Purim no longer requires the mind to tell him the difference between "cursed be Haman" and "blessed be Mordechai"; he is above it all, relating to the divine truth that transcends the bifurcation of good and evil. For the Jew who rejoices on Purim, the mind is utterly superfluous, something which only encumbers the outpouring of his soul, something which only quantifies and qualifies that which is infinite and all-pervading. So he puts his mind to sleep for a few hours, in order to allow his true self to emerge

The Purim Drunk - Lessons and Insights < click

Wait a sec.. LOl you say How I mix the scripture with trash when the trash you are claiming to be is all scripture? Then you rebut with some .COM mess which is full pf philosophies which is REALLY TRASH! During Babylonian captivity of the Jews many of deities and ideologies were being reverenced hence why you would find things in the kabbala and other things. the Jews had once followed after the other nation gods throughout each captivity Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Grecian, and lastly Roman that is why you will examine how some of the Hebrews dealt with this mess, which is why they were slaves the longest due to the curses God put on them explained in Deut28. But I thought you knew this history. Either you adhere to scripture inspired by God or man

 

[zone]

Wait a sec.. LOl you say How I mix the scripture with trash when the trash you are claiming to be is all scripture? Then you rebut with some .COM mess which is full pf philosophies which is REALLY TRASH! During Babylonian captivity of the Jews many of deities and ideologies were being reverenced hence why you would find things in the kabbala and other things. the Jews had once followed after the other nation gods throughout each captivity Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, Grecian, and lastly Roman that is why you will examine how some of the Hebrews dealt with this mess, which is why they were slaves the longest due to the curses God put on them explained in Deut28. But I thought you knew this history. Either you adhere to scripture inspired by God or man

why are YOU celebrating Purim?

just explain it nice and simple for us.

exchanging gifts and all.

are you cursing the jews' enemies?