So apparently I am no longer a Christian, because I am Intersex

[Strickalator]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to let you know that 6 months ago I found out from a doctor I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (either mild or partial). It has only confirmed what I knew all my life that I was not a typical male. I have feminine features and gynecomastia and other things (which I wont mention) that did not make sense as to me being a typical male. I then learn that there are women who have complete AIS and even though they have xy chromosomes, there bodies convert all testosterone into estrogen. These women look, act and feel and appear and sound like a woman in every way, they even look more feminine than most women due to the condition.

So now some of my family and friends are telling me I am no longer a Christian, because I am intersex and have always felt like a woman inside and that i have never really felt male even though I was raised male. I mean how in 6 months could I go from serving the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved since I was 16, and now I am no longer saved and will go to hell because I learned i am intersex and told them I have always felt different?

How could that change my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been the same person I have always been. Can anyone explain to me why I am being treated this way?

 

[HumbledOutright]

You have a physical medical condition which is not your fault. There are many transexuals whose condition is purely psychological and they need psychiatric counseling. Removing pieces of their anatomy, re-packaging them and convincing the rest of the planet to call them something else will not resolve any issues.
A common trick these days is to try and re-invent the human race - that is why homosexuality is being portrayed as 'normal' or 'alternative' and why 'adultery' is renamed as 'fashionable' or 'liberating'. God created human beings and he sets the standards and not us. You yourself admit that you have a 'syndrome'. The day that you portray your syndrome as 'alternative' or 'fashionable' and push it onto others will be the day that you are forgetting God's word.
You're still saved, you're still a Christian and Jesus still loves you.

 

[Ariel82]

Eunuchs from birth?

 

[BishopSEH]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to let you know that 6 months ago I found out from a doctor I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (either mild or partial). It has only confirmed what I knew all my life that I was not a typical male. I have feminine features and gynecomastia and other things (which I wont mention) that did not make sense as to me being a typical male. I then learn that there are women who have complete AIS and even though they have xy chromosomes, there bodies convert all testosterone into estrogen. These women look, act and feel and appear and sound like a woman in every way, they even look more feminine than most women due to the condition.

So now some of my family and friends are telling me I am no longer a Christian, because I am intersex and have always felt like a woman inside and that i have never really felt male even though I was raised male. I mean how in 6 months could I go from serving the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved since I was 16, and now I am no longer saved and will go to hell because I learned i am intersex and told them I have always felt different?

How could that change my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been the same person I have always been. Can anyone explain to me why I am being treated this way?

I guess the relevant question is what are you going to do with this information? Do you intend to undergo gender reassignment (sex change)? Are you persuing relations of the same apparent gender? Do you into to if not already?

There is a gift of the Holy Spirit called voluntary celibacy. It is exactly what it sounds like. you would give up any and all sexual relationships for the rest of your life. This would make issue pertaining to AIS and specifically the female characteristics which go along with it moot and allow you to lead a relatively normal life in all regard except sexual relations.

That aside, a genetic abnormality does not negate the gift of salvation. As your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit I would caution you to be careful with the feelings that this condition might bring into the foreground of your life. As always pray to the Lord for wisdom concerning His plan for you and follow it. Also pray for those that would condemn you for something which you have no control over and can not fix. Last, practice forgiveness for those that judge in ignorance. They don't know what you have to deal with and quite honestly they are probably more than a little confused and that can cause fear.

Be at peace. The Lord will not abandon you, will not forsake you. you simply have a special challenge in your life that others do not. Are you up to this challenge the Lord has gifted you with?

In Christ,

Bishop SEH

 

[crossnote]

stick with what Scripture says a Christian is not your friends
Remind them that Jesus saves sinners not the self righteous .

 

[Strickalator]

There is a gift of the Holy Spirit called voluntary celibacy. It is exactly what it sounds like. you would give up any and all sexual relationships for the rest of your life. This would make issue pertaining to AIS and specifically the female characteristics which go along with it moot and allow you to lead a relatively normal life in all regard except sexual relations.

I have dated women always and have been attracted to women always, I don't want to be alone, I need a wife. I am 40 years old and still searching. What If I had Down's syndrome and that is also a condition, am I not allowed to love and be loved in return, just because i have a condition? That makes no sense.

 

[HumbledOutright]

I have dated women always and have been attracted to women always, I don't want to be alone, I need a wife. I am 40 years old and still searching. What If I had Down's syndrome and that is also a condition, am I not allowed to love and be loved in return, just because i have a condition? That makes no sense.

If you want a wife then find a wife. Your condition does not mean that you can't get married and have a normal sex life. Others on this forum may be telling you that, but I'm not. You were born a man and raised a man, therefore you're a man, just an effeminate one with a medical condition.

 

[DavEtheBravE]

Is Shouldnt change anything cause God loves you like hes always have and I do Too your different so what your still a child of God and in actuality your know different from us... I pray that your family will see it the same way.

Stay blessed

 

[Strickalator]

No that is not it at all, women who have AIS are women just as much as men who have XX male syndrome (also called de la Chapelle syndrome are men.
You don't seem to understand the complexity of intersex conditions, 1 in 2000 births have this.

I saw a video on you tube of a woman who has AIS, doctors performed surgery on her to remove internal gonads , other than that she developed breasts, a female voice, a female body and a female mind.

Men who have XX Chromosomes male syndrome are not women, they develop as men.



Are you going to sit there and tell me that woman is not a woman?

 

[HumbledOutright]

People are telling you different things here. God decides who has received salvation, not people. Salvation is not determined by winning popularity contests.

Pray to Jesus for advice and he will tell you what to do.

 

[nathan3]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to let you know that 6 months ago I found out from a doctor I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (either mild or partial). It has only confirmed what I knew all my life that I was not a typical male. I have feminine features and gynecomastia and other things (which I wont mention) that did not make sense as to me being a typical male. I then learn that there are women who have complete AIS and even though they have xy chromosomes, there bodies convert all testosterone into estrogen. These women look, act and feel and appear and sound like a woman in every way, they even look more feminine than most women due to the condition.

So now some of my family and friends are telling me I am no longer a Christian, because I am intersex and have always felt like a woman inside and that i have never really felt male even though I was raised male. I mean how in 6 months could I go from serving the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved since I was 16, and now I am no longer saved and will go to hell because I learned i am intersex and told them I have always felt different?

How could that change my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been the same person I have always been. Can anyone explain to me why I am being treated this way?

Well look at it this way. If there is a imbalance chemical or otherwise; God will know. it is hard to believe that you would be deemed fit for hell because of a physical condition. Either way the scriptures often tell us ; that it is our bodies, that often cause most of the sin we do. Your case being what it is still involves the body; you being a higher person as a Christian then flesh alone should think more as best you can on the spiritual not the physical. God knows all, so i would continue on being Christian following the commandments of God. Don't let something as temporary as the body define who you are. Because as a Christian you are more then a just a body but a child of God.

 

[Strickalator]

Well I am going to just further along my body to how I feel internally, I am going to treat my condition with hormones and hair removal and have other surgeries done. Just like any other condition I am going to do whatever i can to feel better about myself.

So yes I am a woman inside and partially outside. But I am not attracted to men, I was not hard wired that way, so i will still be with a woman. I have already come to a happy spiritual place with all of this. I read a book called "Transgender Journeys, that talks about intersex women and transgender woman from 2 Christian Authors" I also read a book called "what the bible really says about homosexuality"
written by a priest and a pastor.

Judge me if you wish, but I am still a Christian, I would not deny Christ before men, and would gladly give my life to tell others the good news of salvation. I am not oppressed or possessed by demons, I am not seeking to deceive people, I am a child of God.

 

[HumbledOutright]

I have an opinion (maybe a foolish one) that when God says that he finds homosexual acts abhorrent then he mainly means sodomy. After all, he didn't design our bodies to be used in that way. To put it graphically, one orifice was designed for one thing and another orifice for a completely different function!
If you intend to marry and not indulge in sodomy and if your marriage is to a woman and you fulfill your physical marital duty as a man would, then there is probably no big issue here. I know that I am simplifying matters here (as I'm sure that sodomy is not the only sexual practise that God disapproves of), but at the end of the day it's down to you.

 

[Tommy4Christ]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to let you know that 6 months ago I found out from a doctor I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (either mild or partial). It has only confirmed what I knew all my life that I was not a typical male. I have feminine features and gynecomastia and other things (which I wont mention) that did not make sense as to me being a typical male. I then learn that there are women who have complete AIS and even though they have xy chromosomes, there bodies convert all testosterone into estrogen. These women look, act and feel and appear and sound like a woman in every way, they even look more feminine than most women due to the condition.

So now some of my family and friends are telling me I am no longer a Christian, because I am intersex and have always felt like a woman inside and that i have never really felt male even though I was raised male. I mean how in 6 months could I go from serving the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved since I was 16, and now I am no longer saved and will go to hell because I learned i am intersex and told them I have always felt different?

How could that change my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been the same person I have always been. Can anyone explain to me why I am being treated this way?

I am not sure why you have female hormones, but I will tell you that just because you have these genetic flaws, doesnt mean you are not a Christian!

Many of us have many genetic and physical flaws, so I dont know if you are a man or a woman, but I would encourage you to make sure you are in the faith, because being a certian type of person, such as a lesbian, homosexual, fornicatior, pervert, etc, are all choices that are made to live this way, which is total rebellion to God.

Be content where God has you, do not act out on your hormones weather you are a man or a woman, crucify your flesh with Christ in repentance, and go and sin no more!

A Saint or an aint?​

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow(obey) Me.​

Either you are one or the other, no such things as a sinning saint! A saint is walking in the present tense with Christ, being obedient, pure in heart and deed, and listening to His voice, then they follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23-24.

Luke 9:23 And He said to all, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Luke 9:24 For whoever will save his life shall lose it, but whoever will lose his life for My sake, he shall save it.

A real saint as described in the Bible has crucified his flesh with Christ, Galatians 2-20,

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith(obedience) toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.


Once and for all, hence I have been crucified, and thus they now walk in newness of life, 2 Corinthians 5-17.

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.


Cleansed and purified of all willful sin, through a real repentance and faith. 2 Corinthians 7-10-11.

2Co 7:10 For the grief according to God works repentance to salvation, not to be regretted, but the grief of the world works out death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this same thing (you being grieved according to God); how much it worked out earnestness in you; but also defense; but also indignation; but also fear; but also desire; but also zeal; but also vengeance! In everything you approved yourselves to be clear (pure) in the matter.



They must remain diligent and faithful to the truth, obey from the heart, and keep themselves undefiled from the world and its false ways! 1 John 2-15-17.

1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,
1Jn 2:16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever.



You are not a saint without actually doing the works of righteousness(doing what is right) Jesus didn’t obey for you, but made a way, through His bold example for us to follow, He said His sheep follow Him and His steps and ways, which leads to eternal life. But sadly most churches teaches Jesus did it all for them, He took their place, and a real Christian is actually a sinner, but called a saint because they believe in Jesus!

Rom 8:4 So that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us,who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

It’s simple, obedience matters, those who count the cost and endure to the end will inherit eternal life, as you walk in the spirit, and not the flesh, walking as Jesus walked, in sincerity, purity and love!

A real saint will not be perfect as some think perfection is( as perfect as God) BUT will be living the crucified life, that only comes through repentance and faith both proven by deeds! And these deeds include obeying Jesus from the heart, abstaining from all appearances of evil, departing from iniquity, counting the cost, and most of all, crucifying your flesh with Christ once and for all, not because He did it for you, but because He commands you to do it, and a real saint will never argue in favor of sin!

Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the fleshwith its passions and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Tommy 8-18-12

Many will say this way is too difficult, and will come up with many excuses why they can’t obey and follow Jesus on the narrow road, but Jesus made it perfectly clear when He said, strive to enter the narrow gate, where the professing church says, it’s done for you, you cannot obey God, and to fear Him isn't important, just believe all is done, you do nothing but trust it has been done for you! Does this sound like the narrow way Jesus preached in the word?

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[savedNblessed]

You have a physical medical condition which is not your fault. There are many transexuals whose condition is purely psychological and they need psychiatric counseling. Removing pieces of their anatomy, re-packaging them and convincing the rest of the planet to call them something else will not resolve any issues.
A common trick these days is to try and re-invent the human race - that is why homosexuality is being portrayed as 'normal' or 'alternative' and why 'adultery' is renamed as 'fashionable' or 'liberating'. God created human beings and he sets the standards and not us. You yourself admit that you have a 'syndrome'. The day that you portray your syndrome as 'alternative' or 'fashionable' and push it onto others will be the day that you are forgetting God's word.
You're still saved, you're still a Christian and Jesus still loves you.

I agree 100%

 

[crossnote]

stick with what Scripture says a Christian is not your friends
Remind them that Jesus saves sinners not the self righteous .

I bungled the. wording, it should have read...

"Stick with what Scripture says over what your friends say.
Remind them that Jesus. came to save sinners...not the self righteous. "

 

[resurrection33]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to let you know that 6 months ago I found out from a doctor I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (either mild or partial). It has only confirmed what I knew all my life that I was not a typical male. I have feminine features and gynecomastia and other things (which I wont mention) that did not make sense as to me being a typical male. I then learn that there are women who have complete AIS and even though they have xy chromosomes, there bodies convert all testosterone into estrogen. These women look, act and feel and appear and sound like a woman in every way, they even look more feminine than most women due to the condition.

So now some of my family and friends are telling me I am no longer a Christian, because I am intersex and have always felt like a woman inside and that i have never really felt male even though I was raised male. I mean how in 6 months could I go from serving the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved since I was 16, and now I am no longer saved and will go to hell because I learned i am intersex and told them I have always felt different?

How could that change my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been the same person I have always been. Can anyone explain to me why I am being treated this way?

If you were born male, you are male. Serve the Lord and enjoy life.

 

[resurrection33]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to let you know that 6 months ago I found out from a doctor I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (either mild or partial). It has only confirmed what I knew all my life that I was not a typical male. I have feminine features and gynecomastia and other things (which I wont mention) that did not make sense as to me being a typical male. I then learn that there are women who have complete AIS and even though they have xy chromosomes, there bodies convert all testosterone into estrogen. These women look, act and feel and appear and sound like a woman in every way, they even look more feminine than most women due to the condition.

So now some of my family and friends are telling me I am no longer a Christian, because I am intersex and have always felt like a woman inside and that i have never really felt male even though I was raised male. I mean how in 6 months could I go from serving the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved since I was 16, and now I am no longer saved and will go to hell because I learned i am intersex and told them I have always felt different?

How could that change my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been the same person I have always been. Can anyone explain to me why I am being treated this way?

Let me add to my last post in which I said:

If you were born male, you are male. Serve the Lord and enjoy life.

As long as you stay away from lust, I see no problem.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to let you know that 6 months ago I found out from a doctor I have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (either mild or partial). It has only confirmed what I knew all my life that I was not a typical male. I have feminine features and gynecomastia and other things (which I wont mention) that did not make sense as to me being a typical male. I then learn that there are women who have complete AIS and even though they have xy chromosomes, there bodies convert all testosterone into estrogen. These women look, act and feel and appear and sound like a woman in every way, they even look more feminine than most women due to the condition.

So now some of my family and friends are telling me I am no longer a Christian, because I am intersex and have always felt like a woman inside and that i have never really felt male even though I was raised male. I mean how in 6 months could I go from serving the Lord Jesus Christ and being saved since I was 16, and now I am no longer saved and will go to hell because I learned i am intersex and told them I have always felt different?

How could that change my personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have been the same person I have always been. Can anyone explain to me why I am being treated this way?

It is obvious that fear is the reason for others judgement toward you, which no one can judge your only judge and master and maker is Jesus, why did this happen that your physical body is not defined in primary and secondary functions of sexuallity, it is a gift for you to chose and that others also are confronted to chose. Now the choice is whether you or they chose Agape Love both for yourself and for others, God has given you this limitation so that in this life and in the eternal ages you can minister to those with like conditions and also proclaim to the eternall ages the powerful Agape( divine) Love others have not experienced because of your condition and His ministry to you and through you to others.
God bless you in Agape (divine) Love always

 

[Strickalator]

I just want to let you all know that I also now consider myself transgender, because simply I have to make my body line up with the way i feel inside, I spent many months praying to God to take it away, he never did and this is on top of being intersex.

I am sure most of you will not accept this, but I also will still be seeking a wife, as a woman in mind body and spirit, does that label me as a lesbian? Yeah I guess it does, but my pastor at a UCC Church is also a Lesbian, she is not filled with demons or preaching a false gospel, she does the same thing any other pastor would do.

Let me share with you a vision/dream that I had just a month ago or so:

I had a dream that was so amazing and so spiritual and an answer to my deepest subconscious question. OK I started out looking for a girl named Abby, in this area of the world I had never seen before, it was a mix of different types of buildings, with clouds and water rushing by under my feet alongside the buildings, she was there looking for someone or something, and i was trying to find her, but my attention turned to the North and directly in front.

I looked up and saw more majestic white houses (sort of like what might be described as new Jerusalem...only thing it looked like) and I saw a huge wall of water rushing towards me. It was almost on me when I became aware of the presence of God. I asked the question I had been wanting to ask him/her all this time. I said out-loud "Is it OK for me to be a woman"?

In a female voice (the first time I had ever heard God speak as a woman) She/He said to me in a booming voice that hit me as the water rushed past my body and engulfed me..

"It is not OK for you to be a Man"!

I was shocked! I said again "Did you just say its not ok for me to be a man"? Again the voice said "Yes" I asked again because the end of the sentence when God said "man" got cut off by the rushing water sound.

Wow what a truly amazing thing to happen to me~ Then after i came back down from the higher area or plains, I was then surrounded by women who were showing me new technologies to transform my body,hair,makeup, and well just about everything! I saw myself as a complete woman with long dark hair and tan skin and very elegant and happy.

The thing is I was asking God to tell me and I had just figured he/she would never do that and I gave up sort of in waiting for an answer. Then this happens! I am truly amazed and so at peace right now, you just have no idea how this feels. I had been actually praying for something like this to happen.

I had not even considered that God would ever speak in a female voice, I only ever heard God once as a male voice and that was back in 2000 in a dream. What was interesting is how God responded to me. She/he did not answer me with a yes or a no. It was as if God was trying to get the point across in a more vivid and intense way!


So you can probably go and tell me it was not God, but I know the difference between God and my own subconcious, once before I had a dream and God spoke to me in a booming male voice and told me "I know who you are, then said my name" see i was about to change my name and God didn't want me to hide and run away from my problems.

If you were born male, you are male. Serve the Lord and enjoy life.

Not everyone is born xy male or xx female, there are many intersex conditions , whether they are hormonal or chromosomal, please do your research. Also people who are Transgender have a Neurological difference between their mind and the body they have, now while not the same as intersex, they are valid and God does not judge them for the way they are.