Flesh

[peacefulbeliever]

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. . . .For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

We have been justified, and made righteous not by anything that we have done in the flesh but by our belief in the only begotten Son of God.

Our standing [fellowship] with God fluctuates but our sonship remains. . .Sometimes in our walk we will fall - that results in broken fellowship but we are still God's sons/daughters. . .to restore that standing/fellowship . . we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. . .we are restored back into that fellowship with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. . . Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

 

[homwardbound]

We agree, if a person follows after the Spirit they will not err/sin
But does a convert, without deviation always follow after the Holy Spirit?

I believe Mark, as you conitnue to move froward, forgetting what is behind moving forward toward the mark in understanding the finished work that is finished in you by God you will forsake sin more and more by God and realizing this truth as I have moved and had my being in him I have left Alcohol, smoking, drugs, anger, sex even in thought of it but I have an unfair advantage in the sex category, I lost my penis in surgery very recently last Nov. therefore the spirit of adultery has no more dominion over me. This I say thank you in as it says in the word to say thank you in all things, this would and does include whether one sins again or not. Because if you say thank you for all things, then you are opened up to be taught from God the Holy Ghost truth and will learn how to trust in him and not do it again by and through trust no self-effort in the way anylonger

 

[mark54]

I believe Mark, as you conitnue to move froward, forgetting what is behind moving forward toward the mark in understanding the finished work that is finished in you by God you will forsake sin more and more by God and realizing this truth as I have moved and had my being in him I have left Alcohol, smoking, drugs, anger, sex even in thought of it but I have an unfair advantage in the sex category, I lost my penis in surgery very recently last Nov. therefore the spirit of adultery has no more dominion over me. This I say thank you in as it says in the word to say thank you in all things, this would and does include whether one sins again or not. Because if you say thank you for all things, then you are opened up to be taught from God the Holy Ghost truth and will learn how to trust in him and not do it again by and through trust no self-effort in the way anylonger

I am sorry to hear of your surgery
From what you have written, you may(if you have not already) be interested to read the books of 'Merlin Carothers'
The first is 'Prison to Praise', then 'Power in Praise' but there are others after these.
It is great to know of the things that no longer afflict you in your walk

 

[homwardbound]

Romans 6:10-11.....What scripture are you quoting?


10 For in light of the fact that He died, He died to sin once for all; but in light of the fact that He lives, He lives to God.
11 So, you too consider yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Yes absolutely so do you believe this and therefore are learning as this is true with the believer from God's vantage point thenas you continue to trust Father see thyou as Father has done for you already made you perfect and forever Holy in his sight because of his son Christ Jesus. As paul said a woman is bound to the law as long as her husband liveth, but if he dies then she is freed from the law to marry another. So it as the same with Christ he died to the law once and for all therefore you are free to marry another Christ and thus by God the Father you are made perfect in and fom him. This is the good news, we are justified by faith in this truth, and it is the truth that sets one free from the bondage of sin. Therefore if anyone here is in bondage still then there might be error in your truth and need to rethink your truth

 

[homwardbound]

Romans 8 13-15


13 for if you live according to the flesh, you are going to die. But if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live.

14 All those led by God’s Spirit are God’s sons.

15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry out, "•Abba, Father!"

Solet us all excercise this truth and be free in the spirit of God's love 1 cor 13 love

 

[homwardbound]

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. . . .For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

We have been justified, and made righteous not by anything that we have done in the flesh but by our belief in the only begotten Son of God.

Our standing [fellowship] with God fluctuates but our sonship remains. . .Sometimes in our walk we will fall - that results in broken fellowship but we are still God's sons/daughters. . .to restore that standing/fellowship . . we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. . .we are restored back into that fellowship with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. . . Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Thank God that if we do sin that we have an advocate Jesus Christ the righteous therefore in ones time of need we can approach the thone of grace in confidence not for forgiveness or confession to Father but for thank you that that sin I just committed is behind his back never to see again , I thank you for this and do not want to do this again, so Father since you I already took all sin away through your Son Jesus, will you teach me how to say no in the future. Father answers and says yes my Son, my Daughter, now that you have gotten pst being forgiven and or confessing to me, You go now and trust me to show you by trust in me and you will see when flesh arises to take you captive through the thought process and when you see this you won't go there in thought any more and therefore it won't take you captive anymore. For as a man thinks therefore he will perform as James says it so well frist one has the thought then they think about and then sin is born. Therefore renew your mind and see from God's vantage point

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

by not dying to the flesh where all sin has been condemned to and dealt with by Christ Jesus at the cross. Better put not reckoning thyself dead to sin Romans 6:11 is this the reason or what is the reason that we still sin is it because of the flesh nature? and if we are in the Spirit and cannot sinin the Spirit can we ever stay in the Spirit constant and all things are possible?

Hello brother ... a person that is still living after the flesh has to come to the place where they moritify their members for we know if we live after the flesh we shall die. the bible talks about striving to enter into his rest, but this striving is striving by faith, by coming to a place where we are just believing. Its coming to the place where the darts of the enemy have no more moment in our lives. So comforted by the keeping power of God we know we cant back slide. Now can a man believe that he is dead with Christ and alive unto him with sin still manifesting in his life? No.. Now what shall the man do with the verse that says reckon themselves dead?? He should work that measure of faith given to him to believe that steadfast! He should reckon himself dead to sin. This is what will get him there! Its just the opposite its not a man trying to clean himself up in his own strength and then say to himself now im dead because the man will never get there he will always see lack. If we follow the lords instructions though this is what causes us to be clean. We come to the place of being clean by just believing what Jesus says about us. We are justified sanctified purified , complete in him. If a man repents and believes what Jesus says about him it is done unto the man. Its not a strange thing that the enemy comes with the opposite telling the man your not there yet. As long as the man still thinks he lacks he is still receiving the lies from the enemy ,but God is faithful to remove all the doubt and fear if a man will humble down and confess if he lacks. What should a man do?? just repent and believe the gospel. If you continue in my word then you are my disciples indeed and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

 

[homwardbound]

I am sorry to hear of your surgery
From what you have written, you may(if you have not already) be interested to read the books of 'Merlin Carothers'
The first is 'Prison to Praise', then 'Power in Praise' but there are others after these.
It is great to know of the things that no longer afflict you in your walk

Thank you for the books suggestion, at this time I have no money no income and am living completely by the grace of God

For years I hated for this by and of itself to pop up on its own and take me captive from time to time, sometimes not bothering me for at least a month longest ever gone three months this was while in boot camp. But I tell my experience was feeling Good, then feeling bad and angered over it when ever I masturbated and read James about how sin was born but just didn't grasp it until now, and it was because I was working at it in the enrgy of my own flesh tryiong to forsake the thought of it, I was deceived by trying to behave and it slew me everytime and thus I was from this angry a lot behind closed doors as I suspect a lot of believers that really desire to know God personally and are convicted in shame and angry as I was behind closed doors.
I am here to tell every one that God is able to get everyone to quit it is a matter of ones conscience being purged from sin and only God can do this in anyone that will ask and it shall be done. therefore one learns to take all thoughts captive to the same obedience as Christ did and it was never of Christ himself it was by and through trust in his Father through and by the Holy Ghost. The same Holy Ghost he sent to the disciples and now us this day from the first day of belief. therefore this is what we all are to learn is trust listen and therefore we do as in the love that is shed abroad in our hearts God getting allthe glory

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

meant to say..Its just the opposite its not a man trying to clean himself up in his own strength and waiting to see himself dead because the man will never get there he will always see lack.

 

[homwardbound]

by not dying to the flesh where all sin has been condemned to and dealt with by Christ Jesus at the cross. Better put not reckoning thyself dead to sin Romans 6:11 is this the reason or what is the reason that we still sin is it because of the flesh nature? and if we are in the Spirit and cannot sinin the Spirit can we ever stay in the Spirit constant and all things are possible?

Hello brother ... a person that is still living after the flesh has to come to the place where they moritify their members for we know if we live after the flesh we shall die. the bible talks about striving to enter into his rest, but this striving is striving by faith, by coming to a place where we are just believing. Its coming to the place where the darts of the enemy have no more moment in our lives. So comforted by the keeping power of God we know we cant back slide. Now can a man believe that he is dead with Christ and alive unto him with sin still manifesting in his life? No.. Now what shall the man do with the verse that says reckon themselves dead?? He should work that measure of faith given to him to believe that steadfast! He should reckon himself dead to sin. This is what will get him there! Its just the opposite its not a man trying to clean himself up in his own strength and then say to himself now im dead because the man will never get there he will always see lack. If we follow the lords instructions though this is what causes us to be clean. We come to the place of being clean by just believing what Jesus says about us. We are justified sanctified purified , complete in him. If a man repents and believes what Jesus says about him it is done unto the man. Its not a strange thing that the enemy comes with the opposite telling the man your not there yet. As long as the man still thinks he lacks he is still receiving the lies from the enemy ,but God is faithful to remove all the doubt and fear if a man will humble down and confess if he lacks. What should a man do?? just repent and believe the gospel. If you continue in my word then you are my disciples indeed and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

Very well said in seperating flesh and Spirit as in Galaltians 5 let us therefore see the differance believe God that he has past tense made you alive in him and justified you by Faith, no more works of self involved romans 1:17

 

[homwardbound]

meant to say..Its just the opposite its not a man trying to clean himself up in his own strength and waiting to see himself dead because the man will never get there he will always see lack.

Thanks for the correction yet I knew what you were saying

 

[JLHillsSr]

Hbr 9:26 KJV - For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

It only appears that He put away sin. The real problem is iniquity.

 

[cfultz3]

Hbr 9:26 KJV - For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

It only appears that He put away sin. The real problem is iniquity.

JL,

Now, come and be logical....He was made known (G5319 (shown, manifested)) so that He could put away sin. You are trying to make it sound like it is in the subjunctive G1380 (to seem).

 

[Blain]

WOW!!!! awesome and is truth and I think we would know, for if we get arrogant,proud, think we know and act as if we are better than others then we would kjnowour flesh has gotten in the way, so I remember in Micah 6:8

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Thanks Blaine

LOL thank you, I only hope that we saty humble and keep seeking his heart like david did. I hate it when i am not humble. I wish i could take on the role of a servant like jesus did for us. He came to save and serve, and being a servant will surely teach kindness and humbleness. However i am not ready for this role yet but i encourage others who are ready to do it asap, the reward will be great:]

 

[JLHillsSr]

JL,

Now, come and be logical....He was made known (G5319 (shown, manifested)) so that He could put away sin. You are trying to make it sound like it is in the subjunctive G1380 (to seem).

Then why does sin yet exist.

 

[cfultz3]

Then why does sin yet exist.

That does not give one an option to change a meaning of a verse either.

Perhaps, one unwillingness to be lead by God? Not fully wanting to die to the flesh? Having one's cake and eating it too?

 

[mark54]

Then why does sin yet exist.

Heb 9:26 can be referred to in two ways. For the non Christian, they are condemned, because their sin is unbelief in Christ(John16:9)
They are guilty, they have no Saviour

Heb 9:26 is tlling us that for the Christian there is no condemnation, for Christ paid a once and for all time sacrifice for our sin at Calvary. In that sense we are free, and Christ has done away with sin


However

If ye are led by the Spirit you are not under law
Gal5:18

Only by being under law can you be guilty of sin, for sin is the transgression of the law(I John3:4)

Yet the Christian does not perfectly at all times follow after the Holy Spirit, when they do not, they sin.
At these times the Christian must come before God and humbly repent of their sin. They have not sinned unto death, so in the sense meant in Heb9:26 that truth stands. But they say sorry to their Heavenly Father for their folly/erring.
We know that imperfections are not sin unto death for the Christian for Paul states
If we are faithless he remains faithful
For he cannot disown his own

The only way that could change is if a Chrisitan disowned Christ, I will happily leave such a thought to the theologians and scholars to debate.

As someone else said. When we sin(wilfully) our relationship with God is damaged, but our standing with him remains.

 

[JLHillsSr]

Heb 9:26 can be referred to in two ways. For the non Christian, they are condemned, because their sin is unbelief in Christ(John16:9)
They are guilty, they have no Saviour

Heb 9:26 is tlling us that for the Christian there is no condemnation, for Christ paid a once and for all time sacrifice for our sin at Calvary. In that sense we are free, and Christ has done away with sin


However

If ye are led by the Spirit you are not under law
Gal5:18

Only by being under law can you be guilty of sin, for sin is the transgression of the law(I John3:4)

Yet the Christian does not perfectly at all times follow after the Holy Spirit, when they do not, they sin.
At these times the Christian must come before God and humbly repent of their sin. They have not sinned unto death, so in the sense meant in Heb9:26 that truth stands. But they say sorry to their Heavenly Father for their folly/erring.
We know that imperfections are not sin unto death for the Christian for Paul states
If we are faithless he remains faithful
For he cannot disown his own

The only way that could change is if a Chrisitan disowned Christ, I will happily leave such a thought to the theologians and scholars to debate.

As someone else said. When we sin(wilfully) our relationship with God is damaged, but our standing with him remains.

Transgression of the law occurs when the iniquity, found in the soul, is given to the flesh, as sin, and not to God.

 

[mark54]

Transgression of the law occurs when the iniquity, found in the soul, is given to the flesh, as sin, and not to God.

I am not saying you are wrong. But that's a bit complicated for me!

I just tend to see it, that when we take our hearts and minds off Christ and look away to the flesh, we are not following after the Spirit, hence transgression of the law/sin, or the true sin of the Christian if you like

I am a simple man!

 

[JLHillsSr]

I am not saying you are wrong. But that's a bit complicated for me!

I just tend to see it, that when we take our hearts and minds off Christ and look away to the flesh, we are not following after the Spirit, hence transgression of the law/sin, or the true sin of the Christian if you like

I am a simple man!

I agree. I also agreed before. I was just adding to what you had said.