Research the names Israel and Judah, and you will find by definition anyone with faith is of Israel and a Jew. Also, if they have faith they are those of the faith of Abraham. Do not listen to sectarians, dogmas, theologies or other agendas. Research the names with your faith, and you will be pleasantly informed.
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Actually...it is important. For God ONLY used the nation of Israel to write His bible.
And if you have not learned God's word from an Israelite, or one that has been taught by an Israelite....you probably have it wrong.
Rom.3
[1] What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
[2] Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
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I respectfully disagree Ecc. any Jew who does not believe in JESUS is blind and still have a veil that keeps them from understand the Oracles (old testament prophecies) that they have been entrusted with.
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Jesus has entrusted His born again believers to be Oracles of God. therefore it is not the Jews who should be teachers but those taught by the HOLY Spirit that should speak as oracles of God...............plus wasn't Luke a Gentile doctor?
Jesus has entrusted His born again believers to be Oracles of God. therefore it is not the Jews who should be teachers but those taught by the HOLY Spirit that should speak as oracles of God...............plus wasn't Luke a Gentile doctor?
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This family tree will help. Click Here
Jews are descended from Abraham and come through the line of Jacob. He came from Ur of the Chaldes and there were lots more people around, other nations in fact. Anyone who isn't a Jew is a Gentile, like me.
Muslims are descended from Esau.
But, praise God we can all be Christians.
Jews are descended from Abraham and come through the line of Jacob. He came from Ur of the Chaldes and there were lots more people around, other nations in fact. Anyone who isn't a Jew is a Gentile, like me.
Muslims are descended from Esau.
But, praise God we can all be Christians.
This family tree will help. Click Here
Jews are descended from Abraham and come through the line of Jacob. He came from Ur of the Chaldes and there were lots more people around, other nations in fact. Anyone who isn't a Jew is a Gentile, like me.
Muslims are descended from Esau.
But, praise God we can all be Christians.
Jews are descended from Abraham and come through the line of Jacob. He came from Ur of the Chaldes and there were lots more people around, other nations in fact. Anyone who isn't a Jew is a Gentile, like me.
Muslims are descended from Esau.
But, praise God we can all be Christians.
STOP IT!
possibly Arabs descend from Ishmael but you can not prove it.
JUDAISM IS A RELIGION!
not a race.
CHRISTIANITY is a religion not a race!
We all become citizens of the Kingdom of Yahweh, God, in Jesus, Yeshua. This is in the spirit, and we will give glory to our common Father for all eternity come the Kingdom, amen. Our Father is also our King, King of the Jews.This is not disputing whether being Christian or Jew is anything at all.
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The chart does fall a little short on Ishmael's genealogy, whose seed also had twelve tribes. Though Muhammad himself was likely a Hamite or Cushite because his tribe the Quraish migrated from Yemen to Mecca somewhere around the 4th century AD, and the kaaba was likely built in the early 5th century. Evidence suggests that the Yemeni Quraish pagan's ancestors arrived from across the strait from Ethiopia, in the horn of Africa.
It's important to note that there is no historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century, and any notion of Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael ever having been within 1,000 kilometers of Mecca, is geographically preposterous.
The Old Testament falls silent on what happened to the Ishmaelites but as Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula moved north they overran the Ishmaelites for the hottest trading location in northern Arabia, and the Ishmaelites moved north into the fertile crescent and/or were absorbed into the Muslims from the south. A source I like is Dr. Rafat Amari whose first language is Arabic and who spent 20 years in full time study, 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week investigating, including original source material and archaeology. Much of the material he covers in his book is available free online in the left sidebar of his website:
New Page 1
All that said, those that do proudly self-proclaim a heritage from Ishmael's seed may well be, as we see how they are revealed in scripture, and thus in the world today:
Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
In the New Testament:
Galatians 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
But of course any self-proclaimed "Ishmaelite", or any Muslim, or any other gentile that is not of the seed of Isaac, can come to Christ, through a circumcision of the heart by being born again. The shed blood of Jesus Christ is for all and God does not wish that any should perish.
It is interesting to note that Muhammad adopted and then adapted the moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals of his tribe the Quraish, having gotten rid of 364 idols that were in and around the Kaaba. However he kept the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and perhaps an interest in the income generated from the annual pagan pilgrimmage (or Hajj) to "Kaaba Inc", some profits from which Muhammad's uncle had formerly enjoyed.
Indeed the pagan's and Muslims circumambulated the kaaba during the Hajj shoulder to shoulder, right up until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when he kicked the poor pagans out of their own ritual!
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 365: Narrated Abu Huraira: On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul-Hijja, in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr was the leader of the pilgrims in that Hajj) Abu Bakr sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba. Then Allah's Apostle sent 'All to read out the Surat Bara'a (At-Tauba) to the people; so he made the announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in Mina: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba."
The Saudis profit from Kaaba Inc. today as every Muslim is obligated to travel to Mecca and "perform" the "Hajj" as it is one of the pillars of Islam. They also kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol as Muhammad did, or if it is too crowded, at least point to it on each trip around. Muslims also travel to Mecca to run back and forth between the two hills of Al-Safa and Al-Marwah 7 times as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did, which hills had formerly contained idols of the most venerated priest and priestess of the Arabian jinn-devil religion.
Every Muslim is required to prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's kaaba (that houses the black stone idol in one corner) five times a day, while performing "Salat".
From the book "Infidel": "You say Praise be to Allah thirty-three times; God forgive me thirty-three times; Allah is great thirty-three times; and then, if you choose, you may also say Gratitude to Allah."
That's 495 repetitions of those phrases every day. Here's how the Gospel weighs in on such prayer:
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Any surprise that the self-proclaimed seed of Ishmael are referred to as "children of the flesh" particularly since, while Christians are in the kingdom of God, Muhammad's followers have maintained a 1400 year lust for all kingdoms of the world, and subjugation of all people to DISbelieving the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God, and REJECTING the shed blood of the Lamb of God as articles of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone.
[video=youtube;-4PMvVKrb_Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4PMvVKrb_Y[/video]
It's important to note that there is no historical or archaeological evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before the 4th century, and any notion of Abraham, Hagar or Ishmael ever having been within 1,000 kilometers of Mecca, is geographically preposterous.
The Old Testament falls silent on what happened to the Ishmaelites but as Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula moved north they overran the Ishmaelites for the hottest trading location in northern Arabia, and the Ishmaelites moved north into the fertile crescent and/or were absorbed into the Muslims from the south. A source I like is Dr. Rafat Amari whose first language is Arabic and who spent 20 years in full time study, 8-10 hours a day, 6 days a week investigating, including original source material and archaeology. Much of the material he covers in his book is available free online in the left sidebar of his website:
New Page 1
All that said, those that do proudly self-proclaim a heritage from Ishmael's seed may well be, as we see how they are revealed in scripture, and thus in the world today:
Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
In the New Testament:
Galatians 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he [who was] of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman [was] by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
But of course any self-proclaimed "Ishmaelite", or any Muslim, or any other gentile that is not of the seed of Isaac, can come to Christ, through a circumcision of the heart by being born again. The shed blood of Jesus Christ is for all and God does not wish that any should perish.
It is interesting to note that Muhammad adopted and then adapted the moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship rituals of his tribe the Quraish, having gotten rid of 364 idols that were in and around the Kaaba. However he kept the Quraish pagan's black stone idol, and perhaps an interest in the income generated from the annual pagan pilgrimmage (or Hajj) to "Kaaba Inc", some profits from which Muhammad's uncle had formerly enjoyed.
Indeed the pagan's and Muslims circumambulated the kaaba during the Hajj shoulder to shoulder, right up until the year before Muhammad's last Hajj, when he kicked the poor pagans out of their own ritual!
Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 365: Narrated Abu Huraira: On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul-Hijja, in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr was the leader of the pilgrims in that Hajj) Abu Bakr sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba. Then Allah's Apostle sent 'All to read out the Surat Bara'a (At-Tauba) to the people; so he made the announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in Mina: "No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka'ba."
The Saudis profit from Kaaba Inc. today as every Muslim is obligated to travel to Mecca and "perform" the "Hajj" as it is one of the pillars of Islam. They also kiss the Quraish pagan's black stone idol as Muhammad did, or if it is too crowded, at least point to it on each trip around. Muslims also travel to Mecca to run back and forth between the two hills of Al-Safa and Al-Marwah 7 times as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did, which hills had formerly contained idols of the most venerated priest and priestess of the Arabian jinn-devil religion.
Every Muslim is required to prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's kaaba (that houses the black stone idol in one corner) five times a day, while performing "Salat".
From the book "Infidel": "You say Praise be to Allah thirty-three times; God forgive me thirty-three times; Allah is great thirty-three times; and then, if you choose, you may also say Gratitude to Allah."
That's 495 repetitions of those phrases every day. Here's how the Gospel weighs in on such prayer:
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Any surprise that the self-proclaimed seed of Ishmael are referred to as "children of the flesh" particularly since, while Christians are in the kingdom of God, Muhammad's followers have maintained a 1400 year lust for all kingdoms of the world, and subjugation of all people to DISbelieving the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God, and REJECTING the shed blood of the Lamb of God as articles of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone.
[video=youtube;-4PMvVKrb_Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4PMvVKrb_Y[/video]
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i repeat - Islam/Muslims are NOT a race.
Islam is a Religion.
i didn't say you did...i was making a point.
were.
prove those people exist today as a race.
Judaism is a religion, not a race.
chinese jews
Palestinian Arab jews
Ashkenazi jews
Sephardic jews
Ethiopian jews
Yemeni jews
Iranian jews
etc etc etc
please tell me who are "those descended from Judah, who are a race and a nation"
since there are no genealogical records further than the Middle Sges and most certainly beyond 70AD prove any of your assertion about who is a jew today - AND who is a gentile.
you can't.
don't you realize that's THE PLAN?
Islam is a Religion.
i didn't say you did...i was making a point.
were.
prove those people exist today as a race.
Judaism is a religion, not a race.
chinese jews
Palestinian Arab jews
Ashkenazi jews
Sephardic jews
Ethiopian jews
Yemeni jews
Iranian jews
etc etc etc
please tell me who are "those descended from Judah, who are a race and a nation"
since there are no genealogical records further than the Middle Sges and most certainly beyond 70AD prove any of your assertion about who is a jew today - AND who is a gentile.
you can't.
don't you realize that's THE PLAN?
you are filled with deceit.
look how you mishandled intentionally Galatians to make it about your MUSLIM HATE.
no matter how badly you want this all to be about Arabs and Islam IT ISN'T.
it's about Christians and unbelieving jews
it's about the New Covenant (CHRIST) vs the Old Covenant (Moses).
it is an allegory describing slavery vs freedom and who will and who will NOT inherit eternal life:
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
and lookie here at who Paul says is doing the persecuting - not Ishmael!
But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.
look how you mishandled intentionally Galatians to make it about your MUSLIM HATE.
no matter how badly you want this all to be about Arabs and Islam IT ISN'T.
it's about Christians and unbelieving jews
it's about the New Covenant (CHRIST) vs the Old Covenant (Moses).
it is an allegory describing slavery vs freedom and who will and who will NOT inherit eternal life:
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
and lookie here at who Paul says is doing the persecuting - not Ishmael!
But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.
@ Zone.
The people of the tribe of Judah and this includes the smallest tribe of Benjamin plus the priestly tribe of Levi who did not possess any land are the Jewish nation.
Judaism is a religion, followed by many, but not all who follow the religion of Judaism are Jews. I don't know anything about any plan but as far as I can tell they are using the religion as a vehicle to suite their own ends.
I also think Muslims use the same tactic and use the religion of Islam for their own purposes.
Both in my opinion use the religious card for their own political purposes dividing the world into two.
This is just my view, and it is not something I study so I may be wrong. I'm not sure where Christianity fits into this world view, perhaps we might find ourselves crushed in a pincer movement between two waring factions but I cannot be sure.
The people of the tribe of Judah and this includes the smallest tribe of Benjamin plus the priestly tribe of Levi who did not possess any land are the Jewish nation.
Judaism is a religion, followed by many, but not all who follow the religion of Judaism are Jews. I don't know anything about any plan but as far as I can tell they are using the religion as a vehicle to suite their own ends.
I also think Muslims use the same tactic and use the religion of Islam for their own purposes.
Both in my opinion use the religious card for their own political purposes dividing the world into two.
This is just my view, and it is not something I study so I may be wrong. I'm not sure where Christianity fits into this world view, perhaps we might find ourselves crushed in a pincer movement between two waring factions but I cannot be sure.
Serpent seed, dual seed or two-seedline is a controversial doctrine according to which the serpent in the Garden of Eden mated with Eve, and the offspring of their union was Cain. This belief is still held by some adherents of Christian Identity, who claim that the Jews, as descendants of Cain, are also descended from the serpent.[1][2] The idea has also existed in several other non-racial contexts, and major proponents include Daniel Parker (1781–1844),[3] William M. Branham (1909–1965)[4] and Arnold Murray (1929- ). However, Murray teaches that the Kenites (and not the Jews) were the offspring of Cain. Murray teaches that the Jews descended from Adam through Seth and so on.[5]
The doctrine that Eve mated with the serpent, or with Satan, to produce Cain also appears in early Gnostic writings such as the Gospel of Philip (c. 350); however, this teaching was explicitly rejected as heresy by Irenaeus (c. 180) and later mainstream Christian theologians. A similar doctrine appeared in Jewish midrashic texts in the 9th century and in the Kabalah. It is considered a false doctrine by mainstream Protestant denominations.[citation needed] Catholic theologians point to the fact that the Bible states that the original sin is that of Adam and Eve eating a forbidden fruit.[6]
Serpent seed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
so according to Kabalah, gentiles are from the serpent, especially blacks.
according to these others, it's either jews or some other unknown lizard people.
stop the madness
The doctrine that Eve mated with the serpent, or with Satan, to produce Cain also appears in early Gnostic writings such as the Gospel of Philip (c. 350); however, this teaching was explicitly rejected as heresy by Irenaeus (c. 180) and later mainstream Christian theologians. A similar doctrine appeared in Jewish midrashic texts in the 9th century and in the Kabalah. It is considered a false doctrine by mainstream Protestant denominations.[citation needed] Catholic theologians point to the fact that the Bible states that the original sin is that of Adam and Eve eating a forbidden fruit.[6]
Serpent seed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
so according to Kabalah, gentiles are from the serpent, especially blacks.
according to these others, it's either jews or some other unknown lizard people.
stop the madness
I cannot speak for others, but my faith comes from the Word as preserved for all mankind by God, Himself, no matter what translations are used. My smattering of familiarity with Hebrew informs me the name Adam comes fromt the Hebrw word for earth. Using transliterations, Adamah is earth. Dam is blood and damdam is reddish. The word for red, itself, escapes me at present but all are derived from the same Hebrew root. There was only one Adam created by Yahweh as the first man while no others and no women yet existed. Should anyone require the words in Hebrew, I will be glad to furnish them, but I do not think it any good to be necessary. I believe all mankind is descended from Adam, and this belief comes from the Holy Scriptures and Jesus, Yeshua. There are many mysteries which will remain such until we are all united in the Kingdom where all will be revealed. For me, it is unacceptable to receive any teaching on the first man that comes from outside the Word or outside of our Lord, Jesus, amen.