Hypothetical question

[DeJa]

So let's say I was raised, and still being raised, with everyone telling me not to trust anyone including family. Let's say I no longer trust anyone and if I do something that makes me dependent on someone else, like having to take a bus to school, I don't trust that I don't think we'll crash and die in a horrible accident that I see as the best case senario.
Now let's say I hear about an omnipotent creator who loves everyone and whatever, and so I decide to learn more about it. Let's say I read a dumbed down version of the bible because I can barely understand old english and the riddles are to confusing. I read little to nothing on how much God loves us other than the cross so I start looking things up online. I feel like with Jesus I just feel sorry for him because he died a horrific death for virtually nothing and start feeling a little less than what I feel for my mom towards God(and let's say at the time I didn't like my mom for various reasons)
Let's say I got to a point where I see God as a liar or just doesn't care about us(I say or because if he doesn't care then I'll just think he's having his own fun)and that with or without him our lives mean nothing because and it would probably be better without him because if we die we wouldn't have to keep living forever and probably be in horrible pain for the rest of existance because we didn't live to his standards.

Now let's just say that I do think this and the thoughts been growing for years, because of that, everytime I hear about God's love I feel a hate deep inside of me because all I hear is a lie, a disgusting lie. And let's say that if I really have to stand before him when I die, I will (if he doesn't just answer me before I open my mouth) tell him how much I hate him for creating me, just so I can live forever in torment. And if the answer is just for him to be loved/to love/to be glorified/or whatever else, I'll know he never cared. Because I'm one of hundreds of trillions(dead, alive, and unborn)so that would mean my existance is just a waste like everything else, and that he never really cared.

 

[DeJa]

So how would God deal with that? You know, because he 'cares'.

Sorry, I forgot that part.

 

[Ugly]

Let's say I read a dumbed down version of the bible because I can barely understand old english and the riddles are to confusing.

I'm only responding to this part, because i have no interest in this debate. Since you seem to just be here to push buttons, as you obviously have your mind made up and show no sign of being here to learn.
But your 'dumbed down' comment shows how little you know. the 'old english' is not the 'better' version. These 'dumbed down' versions are translations, just the same as the 'old english' version. The only difference is the language is updated to modern english. We don't speak old english anymore, so finding a new translation that uses modern english doesn't make it 'dumbed down'. The bible itself wasn't written in old english, either. So according to your logic, the 'old english' version is 'dumbed down' as well. But reality is no Translation is dumbed down. Just the paraphrased versions.

 

[DeJa]

I said 'dumb down' because they were dumb down! They were for middle schoolers, meaning a lot, A LOT, of stuff was left out. That's why I said I went to the internet.

But I'm not really here to spark up anything, I just want to know how God would deal with a person like that.

Does curiosity kill the cat when I ask this?

 

[crossnote]

Let's just say that hypothetical person's heart has been hardened and blinded thru believing lies slowly but surely.

 

[DeJa]

What about if this HP hardened themselves on purpose because only having a limited amount of emotions makes life easier?

And how can you say it's a lie when the guy in question won't say anything and won't help you unless he really, really wants to?

 

[crossnote]

How can you say it is not a lie since the person is only hypothetical?

I was referring to the paragraph below concerning the lie believed...

"Let's say I got to a point where I see God as a liar or just doesn't care about us(I say or because if he doesn't care then I'll just think he's having his own fun)and that with or without him our lives mean nothing because and it would probably be better without him because if we die we wouldn't have to keep living forever and probably be in horrible pain for the rest of existance because we didn't live to his standards."

 

[DeJa]

I didn't say mean it wasn't a lie because the person's hypothetical, I meant that that's the conclusion a person with that mindset would eventual come to because nothing is making any since and God won't help even though he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

So the thing said person would believe is that he's either a liar or doesn't care.

 

[TheAristocat]

So let's say I was raised, and still being raised, with everyone telling me not to trust anyone including family. Let's say I no longer trust anyone and if I do something that makes me dependent on someone else, like having to take a bus to school, I don't trust that I don't think we'll crash and die in a horrible accident that I see as the best case senario.
Now let's say I hear about an omnipotent creator who loves everyone and whatever, and so I decide to learn more about it. Let's say I read a dumbed down version of the bible because I can barely understand old english and the riddles are to confusing. I read little to nothing on how much God loves us other than the cross so I start looking things up online. I feel like with Jesus I just feel sorry for him because he died a horrific death for virtually nothing and start feeling a little less than what I feel for my mom towards God(and let's say at the time I didn't like my mom for various reasons)
Let's say I got to a point where I see God as a liar or just doesn't care about us(I say or because if he doesn't care then I'll just think he's having his own fun)and that with or without him our lives mean nothing because and it would probably be better without him because if we die we wouldn't have to keep living forever and probably be in horrible pain for the rest of existance because we didn't live to his standards.

Now let's just say that I do think this and the thoughts been growing for years, because of that, everytime I hear about God's love I feel a hate deep inside of me because all I hear is a lie, a disgusting lie. And let's say that if I really have to stand before him when I die, I will (if he doesn't just answer me before I open my mouth) tell him how much I hate him for creating me, just so I can live forever in torment. And if the answer is just for him to be loved/to love/to be glorified/or whatever else, I'll know he never cared. Because I'm one of hundreds of trillions(dead, alive, and unborn)so that would mean my existance is just a waste like everything else, and that he never really cared.

Please forgive me for my bluntness. I don't wish to offend.

1. You'd have a problem with trust, which of course would affect your decision to believe in God.
2. The KJV is likely Early Modern English - not Old English. Old English existed circa A.D. 600. From your post it sounds like you need to study more, and if you were to make such an important value judgment on a divine being based on your current level of knowledge it would probably not be a very informed one.
3. What if I told you that he miraculously saved my life but that I have still suffered through plenty of difficult circumstances?
4. What if I told you that I would have wanted to do the same thing to God when I was younger but no longer wish to?
5. There are hypothetical scenarios and then there is real life. Don't make a decision solely on theory.

If these concerns are not hypothetical and even if they are, I hope God will fill you with his love and peace and answer the questions you have for him. I hope you will ask him the questions that have been weighing on your mind and that you will search for them yourself. <3

 

[DeJa]

I know there's a difference between early modern English and Old English, I just said Old English because no one speaks either of them anymore on this planet.

And I know there's a difference between hypothetical and real life, but I'm not saying if it's real or not. It could be me, it could be someone I know who boarders that, it could be a character I made up. But it doesn't matter as long as you have relivant information that allows you to answer/discuss the topic..

 

[TheAristocat]

I know there's a difference between early modern English and Old English, I just said Old English because no one speaks either of them anymore on this planet.

And I know there's a difference between hypothetical and real life, but I'm not saying if it's real or not. It could be me, it could be someone I know who boarders that, it could be a character I made up. But it doesn't matter as long as you have relivant information that allows you to answer/discuss the topic..

Well, amen, sister. Glad someone else out there takes an interest in Anglo-Saxon epic poetry. So you're question is about how God would deal with your telling him that you wished he had never created you? Honestly, I wouldn't know, but I think God's response in Job is a decent example since his situation was somewhat similar to this hypothetical one.

 

[danschance]

Well, when you can talk about a real situation, I will consider giving you a real answer. Deal?

 

[TheAristocat]

Well, when you can talk about a real situation, I will consider giving you a real answer. Deal?

I think that's the best bet. I've seen people try to ask hypothetical questions before and then get disatisfying answers, but I have to wonder if that's because they've tied God's hands in their hypothetical situations. For example: "What if a Christian got into a car wreck that caused some chemical imbalance in their brains and influenced them to reject God and go to hell?" I once had an atheist ask me this question. I just responded with, "I don't know. I wonder if God would let that happen."

 

[DeJa]

Well, amen, sister. Glad someone else out there takes an interest in Anglo-Saxon epic poetry. So you're question.is about how God would deal with your telling him that you wished he had never created you? Honestly, I wouldn't know, but I think God's response in Job is a decent example since his situation was somewhat similar to this hypothetical one.

I remember Job's story. It gives you an idea of what he would do for someone who won't doubt him, but this is a bit different... Someone who was raised not to trust anything that has human, or greater, intelligance and taught themself not to trust their own emotions and can't handle their own thoughts which causes them to rarely act.

 

[DeJa]

Eh... no. If you want when you give the answer and if some of it doesn't apply I could just try to steer it to what I'm talking about.
But I can't give you anymore than what's relivant to the topic, anything more is unneeded information that could derail the topic.

 

[TheAristocat]

I remember Job's story. It gives you an idea of what he would do for someone who won't doubt him, but this is a bit different... Someone who was raised not to trust anything that has human, or greater, intelligance and taught themself not to trust their own emotions and can't handle their own thoughts which causes them to rarely act.

Can't handle their own thoughts? So 1. they don't trust anyone with enough intelligence to potentially deceive, 2. don't trust their own emotions (I'm fine with that one), and 3. for whatever reason isn't prepared to think rationally.

I'm just not sure what answer you're looking for. I think we can provide hypothetical answers to your hypothetical questions, but it's not going to help anyone come to a better understanding of God or help us to arrive at the truth. So what's the purpose of this question?

 

[DeJa]

Can't handle their own thoughts? So
1. they don't trust anyone with enough.intelligence to potentially deceive,
2. don't trust their own emotions (I'm fine with that one), and
3. for whatever reason isn't prepared to think rationally.

I'm just not sure what answer you're looking for. I think we can provide hypothetical answers to your hypothetical questions, but it's not going to help anyone come to a better understanding of God or help us to arrive at the truth. So what's the purpose of this question?

Well they can think rationally, it's close to a bipolar disorder is what I mean(not sure how to explain it) Well, if you don't completely understand that then just ignore that part of the problem.

As for why I'm asking, I'm trying to figure something out, what it is will derail the topic that I would like to stay on.

 

[royalscot]

Hypothetical question, when a lie is believed to be true. how dose truth (kill,change direction.) of the lie.

 

[DeJa]

Hypothetical question, when a lie is believed to be true. how dose truth (kill,change direction.) of the lie.

Eh?.......

 

[PS]

So let's say I was raised, and still being raised, with everyone telling me not to trust anyone including family. Let's say I no longer trust anyone and if I do something that makes me dependent on someone else, like having to take a bus to school, I don't trust that I don't think we'll crash and die in a horrible accident that I see as the best case senario.
Now let's say I hear about an omnipotent creator who loves everyone and whatever, and so I decide to learn more about it. Let's say I read a dumbed down version of the bible because I can barely understand old english and the riddles are to confusing. I read little to nothing on how much God loves us other than the cross so I start looking things up online. I feel like with Jesus I just feel sorry for him because he died a horrific death for virtually nothing and start feeling a little less than what I feel for my mom towards God(and let's say at the time I didn't like my mom for various reasons)
Let's say I got to a point where I see God as a liar or just doesn't care about us(I say or because if he doesn't care then I'll just think he's having his own fun)and that with or without him our lives mean nothing because and it would probably be better without him because if we die we wouldn't have to keep living forever and probably be in horrible pain for the rest of existance because we didn't live to his standards.

Now let's just say that I do think this and the thoughts been growing for years, because of that, everytime I hear about God's love I feel a hate deep inside of me because all I hear is a lie, a disgusting lie. And let's say that if I really have to stand before him when I die, I will (if he doesn't just answer me before I open my mouth) tell him how much I hate him for creating me, just so I can live forever in torment. And if the answer is just for him to be loved/to love/to be glorified/or whatever else, I'll know he never cared. Because I'm one of hundreds of trillions(dead, alive, and unborn)so that would mean my existance is just a waste like everything else, and that he never really cared.

You make your own decisions, so stop blaming others and face up to it.