catholic religion??

[7seven7]

Be sure that chip is not in your own eye.. your laughing becomes you.

"chip on your shoulder" means he has a personal problem with whatever or whoever he's talking about. How does that apply to me? lol oops, I laughed again. Sorry. God bless

 

[loveme1]

Jeremiah 44

The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the Jews which dwell in the land of Egypt, which dwell at Migdol, and at Tahpanhes, and at Noph, and in the country of Pathros, saying, 2Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah; and, behold, this day they are a desolation, and no man dwelleth therein,3Because of their wickedness which they have committed to provoke me to anger, in that they went to burn incense, and to serve other gods, whom they knew not, neither they, ye, nor your fathers. 4Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate. 5But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear to turn from their wickedness, to burn no incense unto other gods. 6Wherefore my fury and mine anger was poured forth, and was kindled in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem; and they are wasted and desolate, as at this day. 7Therefore now thus saith the LORD, the God of hosts, the God of Israel; Wherefore commit ye this great evil against your souls, to cut off from you man and woman, child and suckling, out of Judah, to leave you none to remain; 8In that ye provoke me unto wrath with the works of your hands, burning incense unto other gods in the land of Egypt, whither ye be gone to dwell, that ye might cut yourselves off, and that ye might be a curse and a reproach among all the nations of the earth? 9Have ye forgotten the wickedness of your fathers, and the wickedness of the kings of Judah, and the wickedness of their wives, and your own wickedness, and the wickedness of your wives, which they have committed in the land of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem? 10They are not humbled even unto this day, neither have they feared, nor walked in my law, nor in my statutes, that I set before you and before your fathers.11Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will set my face against you for evil, and to cut off all Judah. 12And I will take the remnant of Judah, that have set their faces to go into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, and they shall all be consumed, andfall in the land of Egypt; they shall even be consumed by the sword and by the famine: they shall die, from the least even unto the greatest, by the sword and by the famine: and they shall be an execration, and an astonishment, and a curse, and a reproach. 13For I will punish them that dwell in the land of Egypt, as I have punished Jerusalem, by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence: 14So that none of the remnant of Judah, which are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall escape or remain, that they should return into the land of Judah, to the which they have a desire to return to dwell there: for none shall return but such as shall escape.

If Heavenly Father hated it then He hates it today.

You are being deceived and worship a queen of heaven in the guise of the Messiah's earthly mother Miriam.

You will say you do not worship only honor her...

The Messiah gave us a Prayer to His Father in Heaven not His mother..

It is difficult to watch and hard to speak because when you speak the truth you become an enemy of those deceived.

Accuse me of spite and hate but it will not change the Truth.

 

[7seven7]

Jeremiah 44



If Heavenly Father hated it then He hates it today.

You are being deceived and worship a queen of heaven in the guise of the Messiah's earthly mother Miriam.

You will say you do not worship only honor her...

The Messiah gave us a Prayer to His Father in Heaven not His mother..

It is difficult to watch and hard to speak because when you speak the truth you become an enemy of those deceived.

Accuse me of spite and hate but it will not change the Truth.

Loveme1 there is a reason why we, as Catholics, say that we DO NOT worship Mary. It because we DO NOT worship Mary. The reason why you won't accept us saying this is because it goes against your accusations at the Catholic Church. But loveme1, we DO NOT worship Mary. lol its as simple as that, really. And we pray the Lord's prayer. When we recite the Hail Mary, all we are doing is repeating what Mary Magdalene and Angel Gabriel said to Mary. Straight out of the Holy Bible. The same Holy Bible that you guys accuse us of going against. And WE RECITE SOMETHING FROM IT!!! OH MY GOODNESS!!! What are you going to accuse us of next? loveme1, let go of that grudge and just accept that what you believe is not the only way it can be. Relax and show your brothers and sisters some love instead of making some of them angry (not me). God bless.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Hey just one point on the celibacy of priests (and nuns for that matter), these couple of verses from 1 Corinthians might've had something to do with the Church's decision. Not for sure, just saying maybe. Maybe they were taking advice from the Bible? And a good reason it would've been.

But the difference is that the Catholic church made it mandatory. Paul had personal reasons for advocating singleness and celibacy, but he never said it was required by God.

 

[loveme1]

John 3

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Where does the Bible support this?:

As Queen of the Rosary, Mary lets the faithful participate in her life with Christ[SUP][9][/SUP] The rosary is a prayer for faith, hope and love, who were all perfected in the Virgin Mary.

Ephesians 1

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. 7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth;even in him: 11In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye alsotrusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

 

[7seven7]

But the difference is that the Catholic church made it mandatory. Paul had personal reasons for advocating singleness and celibacy, but he never said it was required by God.

But according to the Bible, they had good reason for making it Mandatory. Remember, men and women know full well that they cannot marry after joining the monastery or convent. They give their full consent. The Catholic Church doesn't force anybody to become a priest, brother. They just say that if they do, they must not marry. But the Church doesn't say that they cannot preach if they don't become priests. They can still preach. Or they can even become deacons. What is people's problem with the Church's decision on this? It's guidance obviously comes from the Bible, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[tribesman]

...as Catholics, say that we DO NOT worship Mary. It because we DO NOT worship Mary. The reason why you won't accept us saying this is because it goes against your accusations at the Catholic Church. But loveme1, we DO NOT worship Mary. lol its as simple as that, really. And we pray the Lord's prayer. When we recite the Hail Mary, all we are doing is repeating what Mary Magdalene and Angel Gabriel said to Mary. Straight out of the Holy Bible. The same Holy Bible that you guys accuse us of going against. And WE RECITE SOMETHING FROM IT!!! OH MY GOODNESS!!!

Let's see here:

Hail Mary, full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.
Amen.

Where in the Bible do you find the bold text? Where in the Bible do you find evidence of asking a Saint to pray for you?

 

[loveme1]

Does anyone have any input in who the 'queen of heaven' was during the time of Jeremiah?

 

[7seven7]

John 3



Where does the Bible support this?:


Ephesians 1

John 19:26-27

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” [SUP]27 [/SUP]Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.

loveme1, how do you interpret this verse?

 

[7seven7]

Let's see here:

Where in the Bible do you find the bold text? Where in the Bible do you find evidence of asking a Saint to pray for you?

Oh, ok, and then we follow on a little from those Bible verses. Your point being?

 

[tribesman]

Oh, ok, and then we follow on a little from those Bible verses. Your point being?

Sighs...its self evident. You say you quote the Bible in the Hail Mary, to make it look "biblical". But that is only partly, then you will add non-biblical things to your recital. Things of quite some importance. Be honest about it.

 

[loveme1]

John 19:26-27

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]26 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” [SUP]27 [/SUP]Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.

loveme1, how do you interpret this verse?

I interpret this verse: a loving Son who asked His brother to look after His mother for Him.

It would be a far stretch of the imagination to liken this verse to how the catholic religion behave.

The Messiah never referred to His mother a queen and left no Prayer that we should use to ask her help.

 

[tribesman]

Ah, one more thing,7seven7, where in the Bible do you find evidence of asking a Saint in heaven to pray for you?

 

[loveme1]

Luke 1

And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.49For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.50And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.51He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.52He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.53He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.56And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

This is a very humble praise to her God, her Saviour.

Luke 11

And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

 

[7seven7]

Sighs...its self evident. You say you quote the Bible in the Hail Mary, to make it look "biblical". But that is only partly, then you will add non-biblical things to your recital. Things of quite some importance. Be honest about it.

Ok, lets talk about what you mean when you say "Things of quite some importance."

 

[7seven7]

Ah, one more thing,7seven7, where in the Bible do you find evidence of asking a Saint in heaven to pray for you?

I think we need to see how you think the Bible goes against it. Tell me why you think its wrong and I'll give my defence. And she's not just any saint, she's the mother of our Lord.

 

[7seven7]

I interpret this verse: a loving Son who asked His brother to look after His mother for Him.

It would be a far stretch of the imagination to liken this verse to how the catholic religion behave.

The Messiah never referred to His mother a queen and left no Prayer that we should use to ask her help.

Are we not disciples of our Lord? Should we, then, not take Mary into our homes aswell?

 

[JaumeJ]

I cannot laugh now, though you find truth so humorous. The time will come for my joy, but until then, my family is all who do the will of Him Who sent Yeshua to us to give us life.

I cannot be your brother for I do not do what you do. You laugh because you think I believe this is to be a perfect world here, yet you do not realize I understand exactly what my Lord, my Master, was saying when He asked, "When I return will I find faith?" It is very sad so many do not learn this and understand.

LOL You really MUST be out of your mind, brother. God never said this would be a perfect world. These things happen in every country in the world. Including Protestant dominant ones. How does that mean that the Popes accept this kind of behavior? How can you make such outrageous comments without even batting an eyelid? A direct attack resulted by a chip on your shoulder, if I ever saw one lol God bless you, and tonight I will be praying for you, my friend. Lol wow.

 

[loveme1]

Are we not disciples of our Lord? Should we, then, not take Mary into our homes aswell?

Is she still in need of shelter here on earth?

i can not believe this conversation... do you not see what you are saying here in defense of the behaviour?

 

[tribesman]

Ok, lets talk about what you mean when you say "Things of quite some importance."

That was already pointed out in the bold text.

I think we need to see how you think the Bible goes against it. Tell me why you think its wrong and I'll give my defence. And she's not just any saint, she's the mother of our Lord.

There is no biblical evidence for it. There were no such tradition regarding Moses or the Prophets, nor of John the Baptist. All such addresses are to God and Christ alone. Even if Mary is indeed the Mother of our Lord there is no instruction that we should ask her to pray for us there in heaven.