Abortion

In the OT days, people sacrificed their babies to various gods - and today we are sacrificing our babies to the gods of convenience, career or selfishness. Hasn't changed a bit.

I agree 100%! Even in the case of rape. The child didn't do anything wrong, why murder it? Give the baby up for adoption if you don't want it.
It comes down to responsibility. Many people today don't take responsibility for their actions. It has become acceptable for them not to. They think that if they hide things then they can pretend they never happened. It makes me sick.

While I am completely opposed to late term abortion, I do not presume to tell a woman she must consent to remain pregnant against her will.
Especially when so many women lost their lives when abortion was illegal. If we are pro-life we must be consistent. And we must also be pro-quality of life rather than simply proponents of population increase.

How many unwanted babies are born only to perish at the hands of that mother who never wanted them in the first place? But thought she had to remain pregnant no matter what? Or, in the case of third world countries, had no other option and therefore delivered a child that was born because a Catholic missionary also condemned birth control? Only to have that baby starve to death.

At one time in this country birth control was opposed as vehemently as abortion is now. Women were quite simply assigned their roles. It is lawfully impossible to deny the will of a man's seed.

It is also not possible to oppose abortion on Biblical grounds. When God created the Adam he only became a living soul after God breathed the breath of life into his nostrils.
And of course the old testament is repleat with examples of God killing the unborn.

If you are against abortion don't have one. If you are pro-life don't force a woman to be an incubator against her will.

That's my stance. I respect others are opposed.

But it's not a Biblical one.

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YOU ARE ASOLUTELY RIGHT Elin.


Isaiah 44:2 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This is the word of the LORD your Maker who formed you from the womb; He will help you: Do not fear; Jacob is My servant; I have chosen Jeshurun.

Genesis 30:22-23 (ASV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened to her, and opened her womb.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And she conceived, and bare a son: and said, God hath taken away my reproach:

1 Samuel 1:5-6 (ESV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to Hannah he gave a double portion, because he loved her, though the LORD had closed her womb.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And her rival used to provoke her grievously to irritate her, because the LORD had closed her womb.

Job 31:15 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One fashion us in the womb?

Ecclesiastes 11:5 (NIV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother's womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.

Isaiah 49:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “Can a woman forget her nursing child, or lack compassion for the child of her womb? Even if these forget, yet I will not forget you.

2 Timothy 3:1-6 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. From these also turn away.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women laden with sins, led away by divers lusts,

Romans 1:31 (YLT)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] unintelligent, faithless, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful;


Yes I believe we can exercise freedom of CHOICE to do good or to do wrong. An unmarried couple BOTH exercise that bad Choice when they choose to have premarital sex, and complicate that wrong doing when they choose to have unprotected sex. THEREFORE they BOTH imply within that bad CHOICE a willingness to suffer the consequences of that bad CHOICE.

A man will and rightfully so, OWE CHILD SUPPORT, and should help raise that child.

A woman will and rightfully so, bear that CHILD to Birth, and should help raise that child.

If a woman who demands to have an Abortion:

1. She is DEMANDING A SECOND CHOICE that the man NEVER GETS.
2. She is rejecting her responsibility for the consequences of her FIRST CHOICE.
3. She is willing to commit murder to get her will.
4. She is rejecting the Will of GOD.

Can I prove biblically that Abortion is MURDER? ABSOLUTELY!


Exodus 21:22-25 (NIV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely
{This would be UNINTENTIONAL ABORTION, so imagine what GOD thinks of DELIBERATE ABORTION.}
but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

I disagree. But we'll not get into that.

Keeping in mind that from the moment of conception (union of egg and sperm) the zygote
contains all the genetic material needed for development into a fully mature human being, no
additional genetic material required.

It is an individual human life, and the taking of innocent human life is murder.

Hardship does not justify murder, particularly when other viable avenues exist.

The secular law does not define it as murder. Nor does the scripture identify conception as life.

No matter which side one comes down on concerning abortion, there is still that pesky little thing called "free will" to deal with.

Wow great point never thought of it like that!

yes, not only unborn children, but people sacrifice many things for the " gods" of convenience, career, selfishness.

I have mixed feelings on women who were victims of rape not 'taking the responsibility' of having the rapist's child. The damage the victim has psychologically because of being forced against their own will takes a huge toll and then having to carry on the child that would only remind them of the event that could trigger them off, even throughout the pregnancy in itself. I don't think we as people who may have never been victims of rape can have a say as to what would make the victim a good or bad person out of such.

I am against abortion (especially late term) if the person wasn't forced and they knew the chances and consequences, even with protection. A person not willing to take the challenges if they find out that their child will be developmentally delayed or have some type of deformity does not excuse for them to have a later term abortion and the baby being left to die if they survived out of the womb and struggling to stay alive. In America, there is a problem with abortion rates, especially within certain groups that nobody seems to question in of itself, and I find that disturbing.

Isn't going to work? That really makes little sense. Women have a right to choice. Telling them they do not because sperm takes precedent doesn't work by law.

Telling women they have to carry to term whether they like it or not isn't going to work. Women are not chattel anymore. Their lives are not disposable anymore.

What isn't going to work is telling women that because they are fertile and have a womb they have no choice.

maybe we should adopt other countries ways of dealing with this: forcibly castrate men and force women to get their tubes tied.. with all the chaos in the world, I'm surprised Obama hasn't made up a bill doing just that..

and with the evil state of this world right now, and all the atrocities to come, I don't think it's fair to bring a child into that.. jmo

We have a little less than 20 months to deal with the enemy within. I don't like to project what other assaults on America he's capable of when it hasn't actually rolled off his tongue as yet. Much less give him any ideas.

God help us.

amen..God help us, indeed. Obama is an anti-Christ, if not THE anti-Christ..everyone on his payroll is as corrupt as he is..every single govt organization. And have you noticed how many are finally wising up and becoming whistle blowers, only to be killed for exposing what they know? The NWO is here, and global nuclear war is coming.. *shudders*

The unfortunate thing and at least from one account that I've known due to family's friends and whatnot, the woman ends up getting her tubes tied after it takes a few babies later and those few babies aren't given the proper care and go to a foster home for it to happen. It's a bit twisted since those few babies never asked for such conditions and how and when they know about the history of their existence then how will it affect them as they get older. The cycle doesn't seem to end from there.

If we were to be smart, we'd take note for what China has done and restrict the amount of children we can have and if wanting more then prove that we're able to properly provide. The consequences for when the Chinese do have more than the restricted isn't pretty either, but they had a basic idea that sent out the message for when it comes to population control and why there's so many with an increase of babies being unwanted from such result.

What should also concern us I think is who it is that shall take his place in the 2016 election?

My money's on Hillary. I think that will be the second history making election that occurs since the powers behind the curtain have insured the first black male to be elected to the highest office. Now the next hurdle to overcome from days of old is the first woman. It follows history in the last century unto new history making in the new.

Black males got the right to vote before women in the early 20th century. The next evolution in the new century follows that the first black male would be elected to the office followed by the first woman.

If (when?) Hillary gets in we're doomed. Bill will then make history as the first First Gentleman.