Abortion

What should also concern us I think is who it is that shall take his place in the 2016 election?

My money's on Hillary. I think that will be the second history making election that occurs since the powers behind the curtain have insured the first black male to be elected to the highest office. Now the next hurdle to overcome from days of old is the first woman. It follows history in the last century unto new history making in the new.

Black males got the right to vote before women in the early 20th century. The next evolution in the new century follows that the first black male would be elected to the office followed by the first woman.

If (when?) Hillary gets in we're doomed. Bill will then make history as the first First Gentleman.

Isn't going to work? That really makes little sense. Women have a right to choice. Telling them they do not because sperm takes precedent doesn't work by law.

Telling women they have to carry to term whether they like it or not isn't going to work. Women are not chattel anymore. Their lives are not disposable anymore.

What isn't going to work is telling women that because they are fertile and have a womb they have no choice.

Nobody is telling them they can't have a choice, but the choice needs to be made BEFORE she's pregnant. Does the woman not know how that happens? Is it not a good idea that if you don’t want a child to take precautions to keep it from happening BEFORE baby murder is the only choice left? I think our stance is more, “once that sperm hits the egg, then the new developing human being should have rights too”. It's always "the woman’s rights", "the woman’s body", and “ the woman this and the woman that”. What about the babies rights? I also love the hypothetical loophole "what if the mother will die and it’s either her or the baby"? Well as a man I can't really put myself in that position completely, but I can tell you with 100% certainty if I had a choice between my life and one of my kids lives, no matter what the age of my child, I would have to say “see y’all on the other side”. Killing babies is NOT ok no matter what hypothetical situation you use to justify it. In my opinion of course.

ok, as to your first sentence here, what if the woman is raped? She doesn't have a choice beforehand. I'm pretty sure a rapist won't stop to put on a condom.. :/ Then afterwards, she's faced with a forced choice of whether to abort or not. That choice is between her and God..I don't condone abortion but I'm sure God would understand her decision in a case of rape.. jmo

ok, as to your first sentence here, what if the woman is raped? She doesn't have a choice beforehand. I'm pretty sure a rapist won't stop to put on a condom.. :/ Then afterwards, she's faced with a forced choice of whether to abort or not. That choice is between her and God..I don't condone abortion but I'm sure God would understand her decision in a case of rape.. jmo

I disagree. But we'll not get into that.

Nobody is telling them they can't have a choice, but the choice needs to be made BEFORE she's pregnant.

When does self respect, integrity and personal accountability enter the equation?

People who scream pro-choice regarding abortion should first and foremost scream self respect, integrity and personal accountability.

Abortion is genocide against the most vulnerable of all God's children, and proponents of abortion have done a marvelous job of sanitizing from the social conscience the shear evil of such this pandemic brutality.

People scream women's rights; how about the rights of women still in the womb!

God knows us before we enter the womb so you better believe aborted children have souls.

I am pro-life because God is pro-life. That's my stance, and it is Biblical.

That would really be a very hard situation that I as a male really don't feel I have much right to speak on, but I feel if it happen then God allowed it for whatever reason. Who's to say He doesn't have huge plans for the child? I still don't feel it should be killed, if it’s unwanted give it up for adoption. There are all kinds of situations we can sit here and come up with to justify KILLING baby's, like if a grandpa got his little granddaughter pregnant at age 10, I mean should that child be killed? That's hard and something that would take serious prayer and thought for the victims once they found themselves in that situation, but if you are trying to come up with a hypothetical situation to make me compromise my view on killing babies it won’t work. I don’t care what situation may happen, it doesn’t justify them all. Just because that little girl was raped and impregnated by her own grandpa does not give that girl Jill, that got a little too drunk last night and sleep with that guy at the bar without a condom, a right to kill her baby too because someone may get raped and impregnated. Make sense?

And so someone is telling women that they can't make a choice.

You have no right to command a woman's womb to obey your choice for what she carries inside herself.

Bottom line.

I meant if a woman is raped through a home invasion or some guy attacking her on a deserted street. She has no choice beforehand. And your example of a girl who goes to a bar. Say she orders a soda, and she gets up to go to the bathroom and comes back, not knowing some dude slipped a mickey in her drink. He watches her until she stumbles outside and offers to help her home, and rapes her. Again she has no prior choice..if she was unknowingly drugged, then what happens after isn't her fault..Rape is ALWAYS the fault of the rapist, NOT the victim, no matter what situation you apply it to..

I meant if a woman is raped through a home invasion or some guy attacking her on a deserted street. She has no choice beforehand. And your example of a girl who goes to a bar. Say she orders a soda, and she gets up to go to the bathroom and comes back, not knowing some dude slipped a mickey in her drink. He watches her until she stumbles outside and offers to help her home, and rapes her. Again she has no prior choice..if she was unknowingly drugged, then what happens after isn't her fault..Rape is ALWAYS the fault of the rapist, NOT the victim, no matter what situation you apply it to..

Still don't think killing babies is ok as a whole. Sorry no situation you can come up with can change my mind on this, it's wrong to kill babies, NO MATTER WHAT!!! Again in my opinion.

While I agree rape is never the fault of the victim. And it's a sickening thing that happens every minute of this cruel world... Why be at a bar in the first place? Late. By yourself. No good thing can happen from that situation.

I have mixed feelings on women who were victims of rape not 'taking the responsibility' of having the rapist's child. The damage the victim has psychologically because of being forced against their own will takes a huge toll and then having to carry on the child that would only remind them of the event that could trigger them off, even throughout the pregnancy in itself. I don't think we as people who may have never been victims of rape can have a say as to what would make the victim a good or bad person out of such.

I am against abortion (especially late term) if the person wasn't forced and they knew the chances and consequences, even with protection. A person not willing to take the challenges if they find out that their child will be developmentally delayed or have some type of deformity does not excuse for them to have a later term abortion and the baby being left to die if they survived out of the womb and struggling to stay alive. In America, there is a problem with abortion rates, especially within certain groups that nobody seems to question in of itself, and I find that disturbing.

4.) Someone stated that the man should have a choice. I say rapists don't care about whether they impregnate someone or not and they certainly don't care whether that pregnancy is terminated or not.

Well you don't have the right to decide who lives and who dies, nor does anyone but God, bottom line under your line.



No woman, regardless of the situation, has the right to giveout a death sentence on a defenseless baby. Period.
If woman being rapedand impregnated by rapist on such a big scale maybe we need to crack down onthe rapist? You think. But to you the answer is killing babies? Really? You have my view and I have yours, but I can’t see how any alleged “Christian” can support killing the defenseless. I have no need to argue back and forth, but know God HATES abortion.

No, you don't have a right to tell a woman she has to comport her life with your choice that says she must remain pregnant against her will.
No side tracking subjects here. This thread is about abortion. If you're against abortion the only choice you have in the matter is to make sure you choose not to be the cause for a woman to have to make a choice. That's it. Bottom line.
If you want to realize the impact you're hoping to force on women who you believe must obey your choice for their womb, get a vasectomy!

As for God, you clearly haven't read the Bible. God is not pro-life.