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Ok, love this one (from the book, but I think the movie has a slightly modified version).
Mr. Bennet treated the matter differently. "So, Lizzy," said he one day, "your sister is crossed in love, I find. I congratulate her. Next to being married, a girl likes to be crossed a little in love now and then. It is something to think of, and it gives her a sort of distinction among her companions. When is your turn to come? You will hardly bear to be long outdone by Jane. Now is your time. Here are officers enough in Meryton to disappoint all the young ladies in the country. Let Wickham be your man. He is a pleasant fellow, and would jilt you creditably."
Mr. Bennet treated the matter differently. "So, Lizzy," said he one day, "your sister is crossed in love, I find. I congratulate her. Next to being married, a girl likes to be crossed a little in love now and then. It is something to think of, and it gives her a sort of distinction among her companions. When is your turn to come? You will hardly bear to be long outdone by Jane. Now is your time. Here are officers enough in Meryton to disappoint all the young ladies in the country. Let Wickham be your man. He is a pleasant fellow, and would jilt you creditably."
Fantastic. That man used humour to marvel at the poor decision making of some of this daughters and what life had become for them as a result. "lizzie has a little more wit than the rest" he once observed. Although he did have a serious angry moment, when the stupidity of one put their family into significant debt and their reputation came into question: "no officer is to ever enter my house again!" poor guy had had enough.
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Yes, he is in love with her, but up until her recovery from the near fatal illness, Marianne would not consider him or his feelings in the least, so her acknowledgement in his role in bringing her mother while she is ill is gratifying to hm. She knew he had come to see her while they were in London but barely even greeted him, she was in such a hurry to rush out of the room in her disappointment it was not Willoughby come to call. It hurt him deeply, but she had not a care for his feelings at all. Perhaps she was in a way fearful of being seen to encourage him. She did not want to encourage him in the least.
Another thing struck me about Marianne post illness: she was like Louisa after her recovery from her fall, in that she was much changed. The exuberance of her former character was gone; she was much more sedate, not as rash or impetuously impulsive. In that state of deeper self reflection she faulted herself for the unbecoming behavior that had led to her being hurt by Willoughby. I love that scene where she tells Elinor she compares her behavior to what it ought to have been by comparing herself to Elinor.
Another thing struck me about Marianne post illness: she was like Louisa after her recovery from her fall, in that she was much changed. The exuberance of her former character was gone; she was much more sedate, not as rash or impetuously impulsive. In that state of deeper self reflection she faulted herself for the unbecoming behavior that had led to her being hurt by Willoughby. I love that scene where she tells Elinor she compares her behavior to what it ought to have been by comparing herself to Elinor.
The whole time, she chided Elinor for her caution and her closedness- but found out she should not have been so open and allowed herself to be ridiculed. She is like Louisa, in that they both become more mature. I HOPE that the fellows that fell for them in the first place are not disappointed that the impulsive girls are now sedate women, and scratch their heads wondering where the impulsive, naieve girl went.
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I wonder if Marianne would still not have considered Colonel Brandon suitable
as a suitor, but for her drastic change of personality following her recovery.
Poor Frederick Wentworth was preparing himself to bite the bullet with
Louisa due to the misunderstanding that sprang from his carelessness, and
then she changed radically post recovery, and shocked everyone by becoming
engaged to Benwick, which a relieved Wentworth was quite happy to discover.
Another scene I love in S&S is when Edward comes to call after they erroneously
assumed it was he who had wed Miss Lucy Steel (what a wretch she was). Even
though Elinor is so overcome with the news that he is a single man and cannot
control herself from breaking down in wracking sobs, the scene is nonetheless
quite humorous. In fact all the scenes with Edward are so amusing. Him and his
tight cravat as Tinuviel said The level of awkwardness reached quite a high.
as a suitor, but for her drastic change of personality following her recovery.
Poor Frederick Wentworth was preparing himself to bite the bullet with
Louisa due to the misunderstanding that sprang from his carelessness, and
then she changed radically post recovery, and shocked everyone by becoming
engaged to Benwick, which a relieved Wentworth was quite happy to discover.
Another scene I love in S&S is when Edward comes to call after they erroneously
assumed it was he who had wed Miss Lucy Steel (what a wretch she was). Even
though Elinor is so overcome with the news that he is a single man and cannot
control herself from breaking down in wracking sobs, the scene is nonetheless
quite humorous. In fact all the scenes with Edward are so amusing. Him and his
tight cravat as Tinuviel said
The level of awkwardness reached quite a high.
It is a great scene, they are all on tenterhooks hearing the news about the new Mrs. Ferrars. I don't like Lucy Steele, but I dislike their sister-in-law even more. So, it's kind of great to know that Mrs. Ferrars and Mrs. Dashwood the younger were thwarted. Lol.
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You have great points, but I still don't think she was really understanding the proposal from his point of view. He was proud, but I hate that her rejection had to humble him. It would have been better if he could be humbled in another way. She regrets what she said, after knowing the REAL him. My argument is that he didn't become a good man. He already was, and she was too prejudiced against him by judging his outward behaviors. Remember, Georgianna talks about how gentle her brother always was and how the housekeeper talks about how kind and good Darcy had been. He was good to Wickham, too. He was always a good man- he did not become one. He was a proud man, though. I am judging Lizzie too harshly, perhaps, because I KNOW he's a good man, and she is not privy to this knowledge at this point.
She doesn't know that he says "I have been meditating on the very great pleasure which a pair of fine eyes in the face of a pretty woman can bestow."
She doesn't know that he says "I have been meditating on the very great pleasure which a pair of fine eyes in the face of a pretty woman can bestow."
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It's great scene. Marianne can storm and let the world know her heartbreak, poor Elinor must suffer in silence. I love the scene where Mrs. Dashwood, Marianne, and Margaret are crying their hearts out and Elinor is sitting on the steps calmly. It's humorous.
Overall it is a wonderful story, and I have begun to think I actually prefer it to P&P I watched the BBC production of Emma last night, with a very young Kate Beckinsale in the lead role. Funny to think of her being so relatively sweet and innocent as Emma and then going on to make her name in the Van Helsing type movies with werewolves and vampires and such in the Underworld franchise. I am still trying to work out who exactly Mrs. Jennings is... she is Mrs. Dashwood's cousin John's mother in law? The cousin John lent them his cottage... did he have a wife? Was his son in law played by Hugh Laurie? Oh what a character he was as well, and so very helpful when Marianne got sick. I also loved how generous cousin John really was, not just to offer them a pace to live but insisting they dine every evening with them. He was quite jolly
So true, it was lovely to see them get their just desserts as it were. I have seen that woman (the elder) in other period pieces and she often plays a similar character, scheming and shrewish beyond being likable. She may have been in Downton Abbey. And then that scene where Marianne acknowledges that it would not necessarily follow that had Willoughby married for love that he would have been happy with her and being poor. Yes, it was so well done by Ang Lee, and I am quite impressed with Emma Thompson for having written the screenplay. Well done! Emma Thompson, Hugh Grant, and Alan Rickman were reunited in Love Actually.
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Yes, drinking the tea that nobody else will touch due to their upset and their tears. Overall it is a wonderful story, and I have begun to think I actually prefer it to P&P I watched the BBC production of Emma last night, with a very young Kate Beckinsale in the lead role. Funny to think of her being so relatively sweet and innocent as Emma and then going on to make her name in the Van Helsing type movies with werewolves and vampires and such in the Underworld franchise.
I am still trying to work out who exactly Mrs. Jennings is... she is Mrs. Dashwood's cousin John's mother in law? The cousin John lent them his cottage... did he have a wife? Was his son in law played by Hugh Laurie? Oh what a character he was as well, and so very helpful when Marianne got sick. I also loved how generous cousin John really was, not just to offer them a pace to live but insisting they dine every evening with them. He was quite jolly
Overall it is a wonderful story, and I have begun to think I actually prefer it to P&P I watched the BBC production of Emma last night, with a very young Kate Beckinsale in the lead role. Funny to think of her being so relatively sweet and innocent as Emma and then going on to make her name in the Van Helsing type movies with werewolves and vampires and such in the Underworld franchise. I am still trying to work out who exactly Mrs. Jennings is... she is Mrs. Dashwood's cousin John's mother in law? The cousin John lent them his cottage... did he have a wife? Was his son in law played by Hugh Laurie? Oh what a character he was as well, and so very helpful when Marianne got sick. I also loved how generous cousin John really was, not just to offer them a pace to live but insisting they dine every evening with them. He was quite jolly
I think his wife passed away- but he got on so well with his mother-in-law, that she stayed on. Lol. THERE's a twist. Hugh Laurie played Mrs. Jennings other son-in-law married to the chatterbox Charlotte. I love Hugh Laurie. His facial expressions are amazing. He'll always be the last of the Woosters to me. Those books are hilarious, if you have not read them. Definitely "light" reading. The P.G. Wodehouse collection. Yes, they were very good the their cousins, even if they were gossipy. They were quite generous. It's been so long since reading, but I don't know that I like it better than P&P. I think P&P was wittier.
The film about Jane Austen is called 'Miss Austen Regrets'. I don't know how accurate it is, BUT I do know that Cassandra burned many of Jane's letters.
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So true, it was lovely to see them get their just desserts as it were. I have seen that woman (the elder) in other period pieces and she often plays a similar character, scheming and shrewish beyond being likable. She may have been in Downton Abbey. And then that scene where Marianne acknowledges that it would not necessarily follow that had Willoughby married for love that he would have been happy with her and being poor. Yes, it was so well done by Ang Lee, and I am quite impressed with Emma Thompson for having written the screenplay. Well done! Emma Thompson, Hugh Grant, and Alan Rickman were reunited in Love Actually.
I haven't seen Love Actually. I know it is supposed to be romantic.
Yes, Mrs. Jennings was John's mother in law. The actor played Siegfried Farnon in the old All Creatures Great and Small series from the 1970s. He was jolly in that one, too. I like him a lot. I think his wife passed away- but he got on so well with his mother-in-law, that she stayed on. Lol. THERE's a twist. Hugh Laurie played Mrs. Jennings other son-in-law married to the chatterbox Charlotte. I love Hugh Laurie. His facial expressions are amazing. He'll always be the last of the Woosters to me. Those books are hilarious, if you have not read them. Definitely "light" reading. The P.G. Wodehouse collection.
Yes, they were very good the their cousins, even if they were gossipy. They were quite generous. It's been so long since reading, but I don't know that I like it better than P&P. I think P&P was wittier.
The film about Jane Austen is called 'Miss Austen Regrets'. I don't know how accurate it is, BUT I do know that Cassandra burned many of Jane's letters.
I think his wife passed away- but he got on so well with his mother-in-law, that she stayed on. Lol. THERE's a twist. Hugh Laurie played Mrs. Jennings other son-in-law married to the chatterbox Charlotte. I love Hugh Laurie. His facial expressions are amazing. He'll always be the last of the Woosters to me. Those books are hilarious, if you have not read them. Definitely "light" reading. The P.G. Wodehouse collection. Yes, they were very good the their cousins, even if they were gossipy. They were quite generous. It's been so long since reading, but I don't know that I like it better than P&P. I think P&P was wittier.
The film about Jane Austen is called 'Miss Austen Regrets'. I don't know how accurate it is, BUT I do know that Cassandra burned many of Jane's letters.
Hugh Laurie was hilarious, very little to say but always straight to the point and very acerbic. Oh, I knew I had recognized cousin John! I loved the All Creatures Great And Small series by James Herriot; I read most of them many years ago and watched much of the BBC series many years ago as well. I got bogged down in the stories by the time he wed, and they did not seem as interesting. Maybe marriage caused his writing to suffer LOL.
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Yes, I know what you mean. As wonderful as Lizzie is, there is always a TOUCH of the eye for the main chance with her. I have no doubt she loves Darcy, but it's not the same as Marianne for Willoughby and then Brandon or for Elinor with Edward. I guess that is why I love Persuasion the best of all- the love story is deeper. Wentworth really loves Anne, no matter what (even when rejected because he is too poor) and Anne loves him, no matter what (even when she thinks he no longer loves her and is convinced he will marry another). The enduring love is what means so much to me.
Yes, I thought "Goodness, Mr. Palmer is kind of hateful." But, he sheds his sarcastic persona when he finds out Marianne is really ill, and his true self comes out. That's a good piece of acting, for the viewer to see in a couple of scenes with VERY few words, that Mr. Palmer is a good egg and his sarcasm is a put on. Laurie is very good.
I read an autobiography by James Herriot (not his real name- but the name of a rugby player!). After he got married, and his books began to be published, he started getting a little more prosperous, so I think his writing was sloppy. He didn't need to be as funny anymore. It was a done deal his books would be published, so he didn't bother as much. I think this happens quite often with established authors, their work falls off because they are given carte blanche.
The Depression was over, and the 1950s just isn't as interesting as the pre-war years. Poverty is more interesting than prosperity. What that says about the human race, I don't know.
Thanks for the clip! Now I need to watch this. Good Night and Sweet Dreams, dear Lady.
Yes, I thought "Goodness, Mr. Palmer is kind of hateful." But, he sheds his sarcastic persona when he finds out Marianne is really ill, and his true self comes out. That's a good piece of acting, for the viewer to see in a couple of scenes with VERY few words, that Mr. Palmer is a good egg and his sarcasm is a put on. Laurie is very good.
I read an autobiography by James Herriot (not his real name- but the name of a rugby player!). After he got married, and his books began to be published, he started getting a little more prosperous, so I think his writing was sloppy. He didn't need to be as funny anymore. It was a done deal his books would be published, so he didn't bother as much. I think this happens quite often with established authors, their work falls off because they are given carte blanche.
The Depression was over, and the 1950s just isn't as interesting as the pre-war years. Poverty is more interesting than prosperity. What that says about the human race, I don't know.
Thanks for the clip! Now I need to watch this.
Good Night and Sweet Dreams, dear Lady.
It's so strange to us, to think that people could marry someone they DO NOT love and be happy simply because they are well off materially. In our time period, we think that we can be happy marrying some one we DO love, even if we are poor. Proverbs 17:1 "Better is a dry morsel with quietness than a house full of feasting with strife." It is so counterintuitive to us to think like the people in the Regency period. Charlotte Lucas for one. She tells Lizzie that she and Mr. Collins can go all day without seeing each other and exchanging a word except over the breakfast table. What kind of marriage is that?
I haven't seen Love Actually. I know it is supposed to be romantic.
I haven't seen Love Actually. I know it is supposed to be romantic.
People's feelings do change. I think if couples can manage being together for such a long period of time as marriage entails, they're truly blessed. I can even understand the cultural wisdom of arranged marriages. I wonder how many proposals Jane refused?
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Love Actually is a pastiche, or hodgepodge, a multiplicity of charcters and their lives, mostly around Christmas time. Though it does span more than that time of year, I remember it as being more Christmas themed. It has quite a cast of actors and actresses because there are so many stories being told that seem disparate, but of course they eventually entwine, and we discover the connections and relations. I quite like it; some of the strands are very touching. Emma Thompson and Alan Rickman are married with children in it. Colin Firth is in it also, and manages to jump in the water with his clothes on again
People's feelings do change. I think if couples can manage being together for such a long period of time as marriage entails, they're truly blessed. I can even understand the cultural wisdom of arranged marriages. I wonder how many proposals Jane refused?
People's feelings do change. I think if couples can manage being together for such a long period of time as marriage entails, they're truly blessed. I can even understand the cultural wisdom of arranged marriages. I wonder how many proposals Jane refused?
I like those sorts of books. One of the reasons why I like Dickens so, is because of the stories that intertwine. I'll have to watch it one of these days.That is rather sad, to think of people's feelings changing. I heard one preacher say that love was a choice. When you make the commitment to marry, you may wake up some days and not EVEN LIKE your spouse, but you make the choice to love because this is your husband or wife- and you love them through their prickles or through your own prickles.
Arranged marriages are not all that they are cracked up to be. I remember reading that the main reason why arranged marriages stay in tact for so long is because these poor women are basically trapped. They don't have as much recourse to divorce as women in the West, and they often have no economic recourse either. When divorce laws are not as restricted, these ladies are able to get free from hellish situations.
I wonder too, about Jane. It is a mystery. I think the men missed out. At the very least, Jane would have been a clever dinner companion and someone with which to enjoy an intelligent conversation.
Well, I watched the real Jane Austen (narrated by a relative) and then another 50 some odd minute telling of her life and then yet another half hour expose and discovered that Jane did accept one proposal but then hastily retracted the next day likely due to lack of affection on her part, though the fellow was the younger brother of good friends of her's and would have secured her future and that of her sister's too, but as we know, she was against marrying for those reasons alone. It does somewhat astound to know that one of the best loved authors had two of her finest works turned down for publishing while she lived! S&S was eventually published first and then P&P, neither being attributed to her, the first being written by a Lady and the second by the author of...
But of course, Galatea, you know all that
I am here to let you know that I finally found a very decent copy of the P&P movie from 2005 and this watching of it is making me realize that I hope you really do set your preference for the BBC production aside and allow yourself the pleasure, beauty and enjoyment of this telling. You too, Tinuviel! Keira Knightley is perfect as Elizabeth, Matthew Macfadyen is perhaps -yes we must say he is- not Colin Firth, but he does a very good job and overall, despite the story being told in a mere two hours and nine minutes, the fullness of the story is well represented and the actors all do a very fine job and the settings and photography are stellar... plus Dame Judi Dench plays Lady Catherine
I am only halfway through the movie now I am so very much enjoying it and think you would too It has a charm all its own that does not detract from the other
Sweet dreams, my friends
But of course, Galatea, you know all that
I am here to let you know that I finally found a very decent copy of the P&P movie from 2005 and this watching of it is making me realize that I hope you really do set your preference for the BBC production aside and allow yourself the pleasure, beauty and enjoyment of this telling. You too, Tinuviel! Keira Knightley is perfect as Elizabeth, Matthew Macfadyen is perhaps -yes we must say he is- not Colin Firth, but he does a very good job and overall, despite the story being told in a mere two hours and nine minutes, the fullness of the story is well represented and the actors all do a very fine job and the settings and photography are stellar... plus Dame Judi Dench plays Lady Catherine
I am only halfway through the movie now
I am so very much enjoying it and think you would too It has a charm all its own that does not detract from the other Sweet dreams, my friends