Gun rights - for or against?

I don't really mind being called a redneck! Though some Americans probably do. I was more speaking the stereotype that it would be a problem to push the boundaries of race to an Arab man with a gun. Like I said before, I have no problem with an Arab American citizen with a gun, just like I don't have a problem with a Native American, Caucasian, Mexican, or Asian American citizen with a gun. It DOES bother me that the racist canopy was spread over everyone. But offended? Nah, I've got a pretty thick skin. You'd have to be going pretty good to offend me .

Enjoy your vacation!! That sounds like a blast! (get a little tanned for me while you're at it...my blonde complexion just burns and I can't tan to save my life ).

If you are going to criticize someone else's country, you should at least get your facts straight.

ALL states are REQUIRED to do a background check on ALL sales from licensed gun dealers. ALL sales have to go through the NICS (Federal) instant background check system. ALL of them. Any violation of these laws is a FEDERAL offense.



Highly offensive to most gun owners.... you should be ashamed.. but I'm pretty sure, given your racially biased post history that you are not.

If I referred to people of Indian descent as "dot-faces", "or turban-heads", you'd very likely be offended. But, unlike you, I would not ever do that.



No, this is the sort of stupidity we get from people who have no concept of personal liberties. When you come from a third-world country with no individual freedoms, and no training/teaching about what the US is all about, you hear these types of ignorant rants about our freedoms.

And, again, you conveniently ignore the facts about "regulations"..... there are more regulations on gun ownership than you (as a gun-hating non-owner) could believe.

Jane Fonda is a born again Christian.
She has been for many years.
Your statement here is 40 years out of date.
Isn't it wonderful how Jesus can change our lives.
He certainly changed mine.

If you exercised a little reading comprehension, you would note that my statement was :

"In the USA, only 6 states out of the 50 require background checks at all points of sale."


This comes to the famous gun law loophole in the federal law - where sales of firearms from private sellers are not regulated.

The federal law is :" any person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the state where they reside, as long as they do not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms"

Under this law, private sellers are not required to do background checks on their buyers, record the sale or ask for identification.

Maybe you should educate yourself on your own country's laws.


I am not going to bother addressing the rest of your post. It must be all the personal issues you have and may need help with .
I don't have the time, or rather I don't care.

No,wouldn't consider her a born again Christian from what Im reading she has said.Check the link...

http://www.beliefnet.com/faiths/2005/04/christianity-is-my-spiritual-home?p=5

Foreign folks don't grasp the American culture. In this country people have had to trust nobody but themselves through history, and that is how it still is. The nation is built on hard working peoples labor and we prefer to keep it that way. No governmental welfare programs should be established to make us lazy. We take care of our own people and let gov't be dealing with their own problems.

Throughout the centuries DC has always been informed that we, the common folks, will not let any suppressing gov't take control, and up to this point there has never been a president seriously considering a ban on guns, be it Democrats or Republicans. To some of us the Constitution is almost holy.

If a foreigner doesn't get that much, he or she should read up on the matter before judging us. This is not Europe or Asia.

Unfortunately welfare recipients are gaining momentum now. That will most likely help the anti constitutionalist in their never ending efforts to ruin the Constitution.

No, I am well versed in our nation's gun laws. I am aware of "loopholes" in gun laws. One of the most glaring is the lack of some means of including mental history checks in the NICS database. Our HIPPA laws prevent that.

The primary "loophole" you are trying to reference is the "gun show loophole", where individuals (NOT gun dealers) can go to a place that is primarily a place to shop for guns, and sell them to another individual without having a background check done.

Personally, I think there should be a law banning individual sales of guns at a gunshow, since it is a place specifically for buying and selling guns.

I do NOT think there should be background checks required for me to sell a gun to my friend or co-worker, or to give one to a family member.

The 2nd amendment states that our right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Those rights have been pretty heavily infringed since 1968.

.... and I still stand by the rest of my comments to you.... the ones you so easily "ignored".... truth hurts...

Well, I lived in the US for two years growing up. I have loads of American cousins that I have kept in contact with, and I can see cultural differences between them and me.

What Americans don't realize, is that because if the dominance of American media, we are influenced daily by American culture. The majority of our TV shows are American, and I probably read more American news in a day than I do Canadian! I live one hour from the border. I used to live 15 minutes from the border and cross border shopped weekly.

So, I know a LOT about American culture and values, particularly where there are differences. Not sure about other foreign countries, but the USA is dominate in media, so probably most of us foreigners know a lot more about the US than you do about our countries.

Or doesn't Canada count, as we are either so Americanized, or you are ready to take us over for our oil and gas at any minute?
(I just noticed you ignored Canada in your comment!)

Don't be so prejudice.
there's a lot said by people on this forum that you would probably also not consider being Christian.
Where do your judgements end?

I've learned to almost never formulate an opinion on the outcome of a murder case. I don't know every state's standard for muder/manslaughter. I don't know all the facts presented to the jury by an able prosecutor and defense attorney (most of them are able).

I don't guess there is much of a reason to argue over what happened. It was tragic. I don't think what happened to Zimmerman warranted Martin getting shot. A hefty man versus a skinny kid is not a fair fight, and they probably would not have even made contact at all if Zimmerman would have listened to the dispatcher and met the police car at the mailbox.

Yes it was tragic and I personally believe martin was innocent, but from zimmerman's behavior in jail and his conversations with his then wife, it doesn't look like he had any remorse at all.

I think he said he thought he was armed because that was his ultimate defense strategy (self-defense against an armed attacker). I never saw or heard him show any remorse.

So many typical garbage arguments for "gun rights".

From interactions with Americans, the argument for gun control is not a total outright ban on guns, but rather a regulation of the distribution of these weapons.
This is what comes into conflict with the Second Amendment which protects the right to keep and bear arms.

If people need to undergo driving tests to drive a car, then why is there no background checks for gun owners? In the USA, only 6 states out of the 50 require background checks at all points of sale.

The usual dumb arguments that deflect attention to the real issues-

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

Gun whiner - A person can harm another person through a truck, a knife, pen, apple, pineapple - should we regulate these items?

A gun is a lethal weapon with a potential to cause far worse damage than a knife. What is the use of a gun? To shoot. What is the use of a truck (or car)? Transportation.

Also, these items are regulated by airports across the world. Would you like to fly in an aircraft with someone who has never had a background check and carrying a "weapon" with them?

Oh and don't think of your typical redneck. Why don't we push the boundaries of race further? Would you like to sit next to a man of Arabic origin who has a gun in an aircraft, without any checks?


"A good guy with a gun could have stopped it."

So it isn't bad enough that this argument surfaces up right after a tragedy, statistically speaking the incidences of an armed civilian stopping a shooter has been low.

At the Pulse shooting at Orlando, there was a police officer off duty who shot at the attacker at the entrance. However he wasn't able to stop the man from getting in and had to call for back up.

This is the same Florida where a legally blind man who was cleared of murder, after shooting his drinking buddy went on to petition for getting his guns back and won.

This is the sort of stupidity that is rampant in the world of guns in America.

Can a human being have the right to bear arms to protect his/her self - yes, sure, meh. Can he/she live in society without regulation? Questionable.

Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. I would like to give you some food for thought.

What stereotypes are you finding specifically offensive as an American? The term redneck?

Did you find this stereotype equally offensive - that an Arabic man sitting on an airplane would require further background checks?

And that is a reality, further cemented by Trump's travel diktats.


(I was actually not going to respond on this thread - I have to catch a flight in the early afternoon. I am starting my 4th of July celebrations early - nice little beach, possibly fireworks, getting a tan etc.)

Personally, I think there should be a law banning individual sales of guns at a gunshow, since it is a place specifically for buying and selling guns.

I do NOT think there should be background checks required for me to sell a gun to my friend or co-worker, or to give one to a family member.

At the time of the incident, there was a 40 lb difference in Zimmermans favor, but Martin was 4 inches taller.
Being larger does not equate to stronger.
If a person reasonably believes they are in danger of death or serous bodily injury, they may use deadly force to defend themselves. That is what tge jury found.