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AuntieAnt

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Other than merely becoming indignant, and while pounding on a Bible, screaming that "God can do whatever He wants, because God is God!", how would you answer someone who asked you an honest question like this. (And, believe me, IF YOU ACTUALLY DO LISTEN, many people are asking very similar questions.)

I know many of us cannot answer such a question rationally, without just digging our heels into stubborn dogma.... so this question is not for us. It is for the few reasonable people here who care about other people.

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If you cannot find better ways of solving your problems than resorting to violence, we would be very quick to point out the underdeveloped nature of your moral compass. When, however, "God" can find no better way of solving his problems than a resorting to violence; and when his "final solution" to the problem of sin looks more Hitler-esque than holy, we are told we must call it good.

One modern, Calvinistic preacher has said: "It is not an exaggeration to say that the last thing that the accursed sinner should and will hear when he takes his first step into hell, is all of creation standing to its feet and applauding God, because he has rid the earth of him."

In this understanding of "God", you mustn't merely agree internally that all of God's actions are good, but must applaud him for carrying out acts that, if performed by a human, would earn them a life sentence in prison, or worse!

My friends, when your understanding of the holiness of God forces you to lay aside what you know to be moral in favor of what you know to be immoral, there is a very large problem with your concept of God's holiness. If you must, under pain of death, call the actions of a superior force "good", when everything within you knows those actions to be evil, you are not serving the Father Jesus revealed. This sounds far more like North Korea than it does the Kingdom of God.

God's holiness is manifested in his mercy, and in his unwillingness to resort to the methods we resort to. He does not valorize the actions of mad dictators and genocidal maniacs, but contradicts them. How we can condemn the actions of a Hitler, many of whose victims would be understood by the evangelical Christian as having gone straight to hell, and then turn around and praise the "God" who only intensifies what Hitler began, is absolutely beyond me.

You cannot call Hitler bad, and the one who presently tortures his "unsaved" victims' souls good, and keep your moral integrity intact. If Hitler is bad, so is the deity who takes up his mantle once the victim passes into the next life. If Hitler is evil so is hell, and, consequently, so is the "God" who stokes its flames.
Ok, I got it, Willie. Thank you. :)
 
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Oh, it's that guy I didn't realize. Hey, if anyone has been prepared by God to help those coming out of legalism it's you, bro. My Dad was a minister, and I asked him once how he dealt with those like your friend and his response was to talk to them about your own experience, because no one can argue with your own experience. (although they may still try too, lol). So, I pass that on to you for what it's worth.
I think each of us who has come out of one form of religion, into another POV, be it L to G, or G to L, is very much as obnoxious as a reformed drunk is to other drinkers. LOL
 

Ahwatukee

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That is not fair at all. You probably won't apologise, but I certainly think you should.
Apologize? I think not. Obviously, you did not see what Willie wrote in the last part of his post. Since God is indeed the one who created everlasting fire and is the One who keeps the flames going, he presumed to question God's righteousness and called him evil. No, I will not apologize for rebuking him and you should search your own heart for being in agreement.
 
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FreeNChrist

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I think each of us who has come out of one form of religion, into another POV, be it L to G, or G to L, is very much as obnoxious as a reformed drunk is to other drinkers. LOL
Like they say, if they ain't asking for help, they probably won't accept any help.
 
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Apologize? I think not. Obviously, you did not see what Willie wrote in the last part of his post. Since God is indeed the one who created everlasting fire and is the One who keeps the flames going, he presumed to question God's righteousness and called him evil. No, I will not apologize for rebuking him and you should search your own heart for being in agreement.
You still remain so very blind.
 

Ahwatukee

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As usual, your very first sentence (and others strewn throughout your reply) shows you didn't even bother to really read the post.
Actually, I read it three or four times and if the whole post is a quote, then apologize. But to be honest, I can't tell the difference between the post and your words, because it isn't specified as being a quote. The very last section looks like is from your understanding. But as I said, if these were not your words, then please accept my apologies.
 
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Actually, I read it three or four times and if the whole post is a quote, then apologize. But to be honest, I can't tell the difference between the post and your words, because it isn't specified as being a quote. The very last section looks like is from your understanding. But as I said, if these were not your words, then please accept my apologies.
That is so lame. How many people who clearly saw it have to tell you? What do you think the asterisks are for? You can't even admit your thirst for condemning me when you are caught, red handed, doing it. You are a pitiful piece of work.
 

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To the topic of violence I would have to say that people don't entirely understand what violence is.

Ideas are violent. The Gospel of Christ is violent.


There is a war going on, all the time. It is a war of ideas. This war is violent. It is either building up the strongholds against God and His Word or it is tearing down these strongholds against God.

The Lord Jesus Christ was the most violent person in History in this regard. Tearing down all the strongholds of the enemy that had been around since the beginning of time.

2 Corinthians 10:3-6
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP](For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.


If these strongholds are allowed to remain standing, if these ideas against God remain stubbornly in the rebellious man, God has a place for them. That place is Hell. And it is separate from God.


I suppose I haven't really said anything more than God is Good and people will go to Hell because they didn't realize that there is a war going on. And it is a war for their hearts and minds.

That's how you fight. First and foremost. With your heart and mind. Ideas fight just as hard as fists or swords or guns.