-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I have never turned a Jew over to the Nazis.
To date, it remains my conviction to never turn any Jews over to the Nazis.
: )
My point, in my long and tedious post, was simply that God CANNOT tell us to lie, nor does he NEED to tell us to lie... we simply do it by our nature.
Whether we have good intentions or bad intentions, God never needs to tell us to lie.
It's already part of our nature.
PLEASE NOTE:
1. Nowhere did I address MAN'S OBLIGATION to LIE or NOT LIE under SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES....
I never addressed that at all.
2. All I did was examine some biblical and philosophical issues surrounding this conundrum.
3. People often don't need to be told what to do. They often make good decisions if they just think about what the bible says, and what it doesn't say... and why each of these are as they are.
Last edited:
F
Our God is the God of TRUTH. He is real, genuine, and there is no lie in Him. The opposite of truth is a lie. And Satan is the father of them! (John 8:44) It wasn't even possible for Jesus to speak lies of any kind because He was Truth itself. How can we, then, justify any falsehood? Even our yes should be yes and our no should be no. Any elaboration is of the evil one (Matt. 5:37).
"Therefore having put off the lie, speak truth each one with his neighbor, for we are members one of another" (Eph. 4:25).
"Therefore having put off the lie, speak truth each one with his neighbor, for we are members one of another" (Eph. 4:25).
It is a sin to deceive, and telling a lie is to deceive.
If you cannot truthfully answer a question... just don't answer it.
Tell them you cannot talk about it. If you are under oath in a court of law, plead the 5th.
It would be an honor for any Christian to help the Jews... back then, or now.
If you cannot truthfully answer a question... just don't answer it.
Tell them you cannot talk about it. If you are under oath in a court of law, plead the 5th.
It would be an honor for any Christian to help the Jews... back then, or now.
Last edited:
D
If it is a sin to deceive, then Jesus sinned. Lots of times he told the truth deceptively.
And, you took my words out of context. I was answering Res's question. How would I not lie, but deceptively. "Would I be crazy enough to tell you if I was? I'm not a Jew. Why would I hide them?" I would have a smaller basement too, because half of it would be a hiding place.
It's really not a fair question to ask though. Holly thinks she'd be protecting her child by not hiding Jews. In truth, the real Christians were taken away too. Schools teach us 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis. 13 million were killed by the Nazis. The homosexuals, the artists, the disabled, and the real Christians were taken right along with the Jews.
I couldn't hide anyone in my basement because I'd be killed on two counts in the first wave.
How easy it is to guess what we'd do if... especially given we don't know the full story of then, or now.
And, you took my words out of context. I was answering Res's question. How would I not lie, but deceptively. "Would I be crazy enough to tell you if I was? I'm not a Jew. Why would I hide them?" I would have a smaller basement too, because half of it would be a hiding place.
It's really not a fair question to ask though. Holly thinks she'd be protecting her child by not hiding Jews. In truth, the real Christians were taken away too. Schools teach us 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis. 13 million were killed by the Nazis. The homosexuals, the artists, the disabled, and the real Christians were taken right along with the Jews.
I couldn't hide anyone in my basement because I'd be killed on two counts in the first wave.
How easy it is to guess what we'd do if... especially given we don't know the full story of then, or now.
