Should we ban Capital Punishment?

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p_rehbein

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All of you that believe in the death penalty need to repent and ask for forgiveness of your unforgiving, non-caring, non-loving hearts.

END QUOTATION..........

Not for nothing Brother, but you have "elevated" this discussion to one of "personal condemnation" which is not your right to do as a Christian.............did not expect that from you........

Given that comment, I'll abstain from further discussion of this subject.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Yes but do you forget the other scriptures that says we are to pull them aside and point out ( minister to them ) about their wrong doing, and if they do not repent, bring them in front of a couple more members and if the still do not repent, bring them in front of the whole congregation and if they still do not repent, then you are to cast them out. ( not kill )

Why deliver up one to satan ? Because that is who they continue to follow, and by following him instead of Christ they will be sent to the lake of fire with satan to be destroyed. ( Lord Jesus Christ judgment, not ours )

Vengeance is Mine say the Lord.

It is our Lord that decides life or death, not us.

Bro. Kenneth, we surely read Scripture differently........

1st Corinthians 5:1) It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
2 .) And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3 .) For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4 .) In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 .) To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

sure sounds like death penalty to me, and not just a stumbling block...........

We will have to agree to disagree on this one Brother...........

 
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kennethcadwell

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That is your assumption. I did not condemn nobody. When you stand before Jesus at judgment though He will hold you accountable for why you had no love and forgiveness towards them.


Romans 14:10-12
10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

1 Corinthians 3:11–15
11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

2 Corinthians 5:10
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad”


QUOTE:


All of you that believe in the death penalty need to repent and ask for forgiveness of your unforgiving, non-caring, non-loving hearts.

END QUOTATION..........

Not for nothing Brother, but you have "elevated" this discussion to one of "personal condemnation" which is not your right to do as a Christian.............did not expect that from you........

Given that comment, I'll abstain from further discussion of this subject.
 

p_rehbein

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FROM THE OFFICIAL KING JAMES BIBLE ONLINE

Bible Verses About Death Penalty

Bible verses related to Death Penalty from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance
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Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Exodus 21:12 - He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

Exodus 20:13 - Thou shalt not kill.

Romans 12:19 - Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Matthew 5:43-44 - Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. (Read More...)

Revelation 20:12 - And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Deuteronomy 24:16 - The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Exodus 21:17 - And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 6:8 - And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

James 3:6 - And the tongue [is] a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

James 2:19 - Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Hebrews 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Galatians 5:14 - For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

2 Corinthians 7:10 - For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

1 Corinthians 15:55 - O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

1 Corinthians 15:51 - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

Romans 10:13 - For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:31 - He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Acts 2:29 - Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Acts 2:27 - Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 3:17 - For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.

Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Luke 16:23 - And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luke 16:19-31 - There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: (Read More...)

Luke 12:5 - But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Mark 9:45 - And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:43 - And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Matthew 27:52 - And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Matthew 23:33 - [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Matthew 23:15 - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Matthew 18:9 - And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Matthew 11:23 - And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 10:15 - Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

Matthew 7:21-23 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Read More...)

Matthew 5:30 - And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 5:29 - And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Leviticus 20:27 - A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them.

Exodus 21:16 - And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:15 - And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.

 

p_rehbein

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Revelation 22:12 - And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Revelation 21:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 20:14-15 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Read More...)

Revelation 20:13 - And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:11 - And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:4-6 - And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Read More...)

Revelation 20:1-15 - And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (Read More...)

Revelation 17:1-18 - And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (Read More...)

Revelation 17:1-2 - And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (Read More...)

Revelation 14:1-20 - And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. (Read More...)

Revelation 8:1-127 - And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. (Read More...)

Revelation 6:9-11 - And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: (Read More...)

Revelation 6:2 - And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Revelation 5:10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 3:21 - To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Revelation 1:18 - I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Jude 1:3-4 - Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. (Read More...)

1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1 John 3:4 - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

1 Peter 4:17 - For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God?

1 Peter 2:14 - Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

Hebrews 10:19-22 - Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (Read More...)

Hebrews 9:1-28 - Then verily the first [covenant] had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. (Read More...)

1 Timothy 6:15-16 - Which in his times he shall shew, [who is] the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 4:14-16 - For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. (Read More...)

Colossians 1:18 - And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

2 Corinthians 5:1-21 - For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Corinthians 15:51-55 - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 15:50 - Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 - But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 15:18 - Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

1 Corinthians 15:12-19 - Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 15:6 - After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

1 Corinthians 15:1 - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

1 Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1 Corinthians 2:11-14 - For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. (Read More...)

Romans 13:9 - For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:4 - For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to [execute] wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Romans 11:32 - For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Romans 11:7 - What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Romans 8:9 - But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 6:15-16 - What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Read More...)

Romans 6:3-6 - Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? (Read More...)

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Acts 25:11 - For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.


 
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kennethcadwell

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Yes the old testament does support the death penalty. However look at those scriptures in the new testament again ( new covenant we are under from our Lord Jesus Christ ). Every single one of them point to that judgment of death to be left to our Lord when it comes to life and death, not us.

Punishments are ok for us to use against those who do wrong, but life and death decisions are not for us to decide.

We are not God, and we are not our Lord Jesus Christ who is the decider of life and death.
 
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StoneThrower

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I'm sure this has been debated over and over again, but nevertheless, I'd like to bring it back to the surface again, so to speak. This country is the only western democracy practicing capital punishment.

Some may deserve the capital punishment, there are felonies so cruel that the capital punishment is correct.

But, in my opinion, what if we are mistaking? What if an innocent person is convicted and sentenced to death? Can we live with that? Should we ban the cpital punishment?

Another question:

In Alabama, the trial judge can override the jury verdicts of life and impose death sentences. That means one person can decide life or death. What do yall think of such a capital sentencing procedure?
No, we should start them anyone convicted of murder, not homice should be given a death sentance. Its Biblical.
As to Alabama no there should be by a verdict of 12.
 
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Well, as Sister Jenny and I are both in Alabama.......let me say that, Yes the Judge can impose the Death Penalty, but there are certain Judicial Standards that must be in play and met prior to their doing so. And, to date, if memory does not fail me, no decision by a Judge to impose the Death Penalty has been overturned on appeal.

I would also like to point out that to date, there isn't a single instance where a prisoner was put to death only later for it to be revealed that they were innocent. NOW, there have been several instances where last minute Stays of Execution signed by the Governor have actually given the Defense Team an opportunity to present new evidence which proved a persons innocence, and that person was saved from execution, and eventually released from prison.

The Death Penalty as part of a States or Nations Judicial Punishment Program is certainly not without debate, and certainly not without controversy. There are many ways to approach this debate/discussion.

1) Constitutionally, it must meet the standard of NOT BEING "cruel" AND "unusual." Meaning the process in which a prisoner is put to death must not inflict grievous pain and suffering AND not be a process new and untested. The majority of States, and the Federal Government meet this standard through Lethal Injections. However, as in a recent case, these CAN and sometimes DO fail, opening the door to debating them from a Constitutional stand point. In my opinion, the Electric Chair is not an acceptable form, as I believe it is certainly "cruel" but not considered "unusual," thus I believe some States still use this method. There are actually many types of gasses that would cause death without pain and suffering, but they fail the standard of "unusual" because they are not used. If the majority of States were to use such gasses, then that standard could be satisfied, and the pain and suffering would be removed from the act as well.

2) Biblically, the Death Penalty does not go against Scripture in my opinion. In the New Testament alone there is a specific instance where a man and his wife were "put to death" for lying to God, and the Holy Spirit Himself was the Executioner. As well, there is the instance where the Apostle Paul said "such a one as this" should be put to death......."destroy the flesh to save the spirit." Now, we don't know for sure that this person was put to death, but Paul certainly upholds the idea that the Death Penalty is Biblical.

3) Politically, well. we all know the Political debates around this issue, and I don't really want to dive into that quagmire too deep. Even the "shallow end" of that pool leaves one feeling the need for a very hot and long shower! My only comment is that I am convinced that due to Political ideologies and pressure, the Death Penalty AS A PUNISHMENT, has been so corrupted as to be no longer effective as a DETERANT in our Judicial System. Endless Appeals, and Stays, and loopholes that must be closed before an execution can be carried out have made this form of punishment more of a circus than an effective form of Judicial punishment. This is my opinion only!

4) Morally, While I support the Death Penalty as being ONE OPTION available to our Judicial System, I must HONESTLY state that I do NOT KNOW if I could vote "Yea" in a specific case were I a member of the Jury. This is based on my personal emotions and conscious and NOT if the punishment is Legal, Biblical, or Constitutional. There are crimes that are so very heinous, that little else but Death seems to serve as Justice for both the "victim(s)," "families," and the "public" as a whole. And it's this reason I support the Death Penalty.

Anyway, these are my thoughts, and while they won't sway the issue either way, I offer them as FYI fully knowing that my thoughts alone will not end the debate/discussion.
I believe in Gods Soverignty, no one dies before their time as God as numbered each of our days. In the case of an accident by Men God is in the middle of it and he will use it for his glory.
 
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StoneThrower

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The new testament covenant delivered to us by our Lord Jesus Christ is against capital punishment. It is hard to see how some Christians can be OK with this.

Our Lord tells us to love, forgive, not judge, and were even called to minister to those in prison.

Nowhere does the death penalty fit into love and forgiveness.
Verse please, thats not in my Bible. Gods against murder not against killing in war or having those that he has put in authority carry out justice.
 
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StoneThrower

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I totally belong to the Lord and I am guided by what the Lord says and not by my flesh. The Lord points out that in an ideal society we get rid of those people who have killed others. It is to be done only when someone has seen them do it, and if anyone lies about seeing this so it causes a wrongful death, then that person who lied is a murderer.

God is love, it is the loving thing to do. When a person who is a danger and threat to our brothers and sisters in Christ, we are to care for and protect them.

I do not think that God cancelled His covenant, a legal document that even humans cannot cancel, when God gave us a new improved one. Under the old covenant, when people loved the Lord enough to follow Him, a world of safety and justice was created in an otherwise cruel world where even babies were killed to satisfy Idols. People who kill threaten the world. To protect them is not loving.
Ohh so close, I thought we were going to see an historical event, as I was almost in agreement with you untill the last paragrah. :-(
 

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The relatives of the innocent victims should vote on this and not armchair theological-philosophical-PC-pseudo objective-cloistered bleeding heart libs.
 

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Government established and given the right...
Genesis 9:6 - Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Confirmed in the NT...
Romans 13:1-4 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
 
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Yep need more of it, sadly because of the crybaby liberals we don't execute enough criminals. just think right now if some thug in Indiana would have been put to death long ago a IMPD officer would still be alive today. think of all the young boy and girls that would have been saved from being raped had the molester been executed after the 1st time he committed the crime, instead of the slap the hand and back out and at it again. think of all the people that would still be alive today if these violent criminals would have been put to death the 1st time they committed violent crime instead of this catch and release crap they do today.

Quite frank I am sick of criminals. put them to death today save someones life in the future and save US the taxpayers money as well.
It's actually more expensive to execute criminals than it is to imprison them for life, that includes the appeals process, housing, and other legal fees. Logically and economically, the death penalty is a waste. Is it really worth spending tens of millions of tax dollars on killing one person?
 
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Not to mention, wanting to vengefully take another life isn't very Christian. Now, is it?
 
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Not to mention, wanting to vengefully take another life isn't very Christian. Now, is it?
The state excersises justice not vengence. They have no dog in the fight other than seeing justice upheld.
 
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It's actually more expensive to execute criminals than it is to imprison them for life, that includes the appeals process, housing, and other legal fees. Logically and economically, the death penalty is a waste. Is it really worth spending tens of millions of tax dollars on killing one person?
That sounds like an emontional response, I would have a hard time believing that an apeal or two and a lethal injection would cost more than feeding, clothing, housing, dental, medical care, education and entertainment expeses for life would be less.
 
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It's banned in Australia

However, I think it needs to be brought back for politicians and corporate crooks. Our current government really deserves to be executed. I would introduce laws, that if you explicitly lie about your campaign promises and do the opposite in power, you get the guillotine in public.

Also even though Rupert Murdoch is a foreign scumbag, and not a citizen on this country, he deserves the death penalty for his propaganda. I'd introduce laws, that if you deliberately lie in the newspaper in order to further a political agenda, the CEO of the parent company gets executed.
 

Atwood

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#39
Refusing to execute murderers is a violation of the Noahic Dispensation (Gen 9). Romans 13 also authorizes the govt to use the sword as a minister of God.

And surely your blood, the blood of your lives, will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it; and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man’s brother, will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

As I read this, I see that the justification for capital punishment is that man is made in God's image & thus can "play God" in the matter. Man can execute because man is made in God's image.


Unfortunately in the USA the system has become a farce. Supposedly it costs the state a million dollars to conduct a capital punishment trial. Also, in our injustice system, we have found innocent men guilty.

There should be a high standard of evidence for a capital crime. The trial should not a a game for lawyers to get rich out of. The trial should be speedy. The appeals process should not go on & on.

We should go back to public hanging: simple, cheap, effective, merciful, educational.
 
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#40
Refusing to execute murderers is a violation of the Noahic Dispensation (Gen 9). Romans 13 also authorizes the govt to use the sword as a minister of God.

And surely your blood, the blood of your lives, will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it; and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man’s brother, will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

As I read this, I see that the justification for capital punishment is that man is made in God's image & thus can "play God" in the matter. Man can execute because man is made in God's image.


Unfortunately in the USA the system has become a farce. Supposedly it costs the state a million dollars to conduct a capital punishment trial. Also, in our injustice system, we have found innocent men guilty.

There should be a high standard of evidence for a capital crime. The trial should not a a game for lawyers to get rich out of. The trial should be speedy. The appeals process should not go on & on.

We should go back to public hanging: simple, cheap, effective, merciful, educational.
... Barbaric, backwards, inhumane, a blight to our species. It degrades us as much as it degrades those we execute. It is the lowest form of justice, the most bent, the most bloodthirsty, the least forgiving and by far the highest abuse of legal power.

Arguing for execution as the olden Jews practiced puts you at odds with the Nazarene man who opposed them and their ways. Jesus said 'forgive', while they lusted for blood.