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SkittlePumpkin

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As we well know, scripture tells wives to submit themselves to their husbands. But what if the wife's husband is not a Christian; what if he doesn't submit to the Lord? Is there ever a time when a wife shouln't submit to her husband?
 
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kaylagrl

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SkittlePumpkin said:
As we well know, scripture tells wives to submit themselves to their husbands. But what if the wife's husband is not a Christian; what if he doesn't submit to the Lord? Is there ever a time when a wife shouln't submit to her husband?
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Oh boy! This is a subject that turns nasty quick! Im afraid to answer....lol
 
Yeraza_Bats

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I would suggest finding a man who truly desires to follow Christ's words, then. If you are afraid of a man using his place in the wrong way for his advantage, then your safest bet is to find one that wants to follow His words, too.


I dont think theres ever a time to "ignore" Gods word. We should all always stive to follow it, even if others take advantage of it against us. And they will.
 
blue_ladybug

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This topic is more appropriate for the bible forum, not miscellaneous.
 
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kaylagrl

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blue_ladybug said:
This topic is more appropriate for the bible forum, not miscellaneous.
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Yes but she'll be eaten alive in the Bible forum.She's new here,I think she's in the safest place.Sorry to say.:(
 
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SkittlePumpkin said:
As we well know, scripture tells wives to submit themselves to their husbands. But what if the wife's husband is not a Christian; what if he doesn't submit to the Lord? Is there ever a time when a wife shouln't submit to her husband?
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Well my Ex was not a christian and I did not submit! He did the whole I am a christian thing, yet never prayed with me and refused to even lead the devotions around the dinner table. So I took charge and did what I felt was best for my children. I do not regret it. Submitting to him was far from our problems. I feel my example is a good enough reason to not submit. If the man doesn't submit to the lord, how can the woman submit to the husband? It wouldn't work.
 
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Personally, I was never taught the truth about what submission actually is, means, or how to lead in a marriage. I was only taught by example at home and through observation of others. Unfortunately, that's not really good enough. Subsequently, I did not lead properly. My convictions were not strong enough. I didn't even really try to lead, since the mother of my children knew how to handle many of the normal things within a marriage. There really was no reason to "lead". However, it made me look weak by comparison. That's not far from the truth.

I cannot imagine a Christian woman submitting to a non Christian husband. In fact, that would seem to be a dealbreaker before marriage.

Since, I have familiarized myself with what it means to submit and what it means to be a leader in a Christian marriage, but do not know how to do it in the practical sense. That is dangerous in my opinion. It can easily lead to control issues and maybe worse.

I just think it's a poor translation of the original text, to tell the truth. Women are too intelligent and capable to put under a glass and preserve. Their opinions balance a man's in many instances or add spice in a sense. Women are quite capable of taking care of themselves. They don't need a man to do it for them.

I have no plans to marry. If the good Lord does, he'll have to perform a few miracles or something.
 
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JeniBean said:
Well my Ex was not a christian and I did not submit! He did the whole I am a christian thing, yet never prayed with me and refused to even lead the devotions around the dinner table. So I took charge and did what I felt was best for my children. I do not regret it. Submitting to him was far from our problems. I feel my example is a good enough reason to not submit. If the man doesn't submit to the lord, how can the woman submit to the husband? It wouldn't work.
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Although Ephesians 5 never offers a stipulation to submitting, i.e. "Submit as long as your husband is a Christian", I would generally agree that if the husband is not submitting to the Lord, it would make it difficult for a wife to follow his lead. The key in this passage is the husband's self sacrifice for the spiritual purity and the holiness of his wife. However, I do not feel based on your example alone, that it is a "good enough" reason to not submit. My reasoning for this is found in 1 Peter 3, where he instructs wives to submit, even if their husbands are disobedient to the Lord, so that they "may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives when they see your respectful and pure conduct". I'm not trying to take the wind out of your sails, and I'm sure you will choose wisely for your next spouse, but be aware that God asks us to love/respect our wives/husbands, even when they are not lovable or respectable.
 
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nw2u said:
Personally, I was never taught the truth about what submission actually is, means, or how to lead in a marriage. I was only taught by example at home and through observation of others. Unfortunately, that's not really good enough. Subsequently, I did not lead properly. My convictions were not strong enough. I didn't even really try to lead, since the mother of my children knew how to handle many of the normal things within a marriage. There really was no reason to "lead". However, it made me look weak by comparison. That's not far from the truth.

I cannot imagine a Christian woman submitting to a non Christian husband. In fact, that would seem to be a dealbreaker before marriage.

Since, I have familiarized myself with what it means to submit and what it means to be a leader in a Christian marriage, but do not know how to do it in the practical sense. That is dangerous in my opinion. It can easily lead to control issues and maybe worse.

I just think it's a poor translation of the original text, to tell the truth. Women are too intelligent and capable to put under a glass and preserve. Their opinions balance a man's in many instances or add spice in a sense. Women are quite capable of taking care of themselves. They don't need a man to do it for them.

I have no plans to marry. If the good Lord does, he'll have to perform a few miracles or something.
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Stunning response. Thank you for posting it.

Remember that you wouldn't be in a relationship/marriage alone. There's a reason why a wife is called a help-meet, you aren't in a relationship alone, but together. And the two of you together, submitted to God is where we're meant to be in marriage.
 
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blue_ladybug said:
This topic is more appropriate for the bible forum, not miscellaneous.
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Misc > WIDE GATE OF >>> variety> Diverse> Varied>


so in other words: misc is all inclusive therefore not requiring the forum self appointed police:mad:
 
Yeraza_Bats

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Im always very alert with people who claim to be Christians, but also claim that we dont have to follow certain laws, or preach something that goes against Gods word. Like, for example, the belief that Israel is not Gods chosen people, but anyone who comes to Christ is His chosen people, and that the promises He made to Israel are now null and void. People who preach this doctrine always have that "God doesnt care about 'real estate'" argument, and with this belief they actually turn their backs on Israel. They claim they wouldnt, but then, even in the pride of their own beliefs, become more and more anti Israel to the point that some "Christians" even support handing Israel over to the palestinians. Ive even heard that the pope supported this, and claimed that the Jews had no right over the promised land.

Or, in a more clear example, coming from my old life, I totally let weird arguments like "its okay to dress as a woman if you really want to be one", "You can be with a guy if you really love him" dictate Gods word for me, instead of actually going to His word myself. So with anything from His word, Im always very uncertain of people who claim things like "oh you only have to follow that commandment if *this or that is fulfilled*", I do think this leads some people against Him, without them even knowing it happened.
 
Yeraza_Bats

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Thats NOT about anyone here, should make that clear. I mean in the world in general. We should always be careful with what we preach.
 
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blondieindahouse said:
Misc > WIDE GATE OF >>> variety> Diverse> Varied>


so in other words: misc is all inclusive therefore not requiring the forum self appointed police:mad:
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Blue Ladybug has been in the forum for some time.All she meant is the thread would get more attention and discussion in the Bible forum as it relates to that type of discussion. She was being helpful. No need to jump her.She often lets people know where a thread belongs. Most people appreciate it.
 
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That awkward moment when there are multiple threads on this subject going on at once... But Skittles to answer your question, yes. There is.

Me: "Skittles, make me a sandwich. You have to, because the Bible says to submit, and you have to do what I say. So go make me a sandwich."

See?
 
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nw2u said:
Personally, I was never taught the truth about what submission actually is, means, or how to lead in a marriage. I was only taught by example at home and through observation of others. Unfortunately, that's not really good enough. Subsequently, I did not lead properly. My convictions were not strong enough. I didn't even really try to lead, since the mother of my children knew how to handle many of the normal things within a marriage. There really was no reason to "lead". However, it made me look weak by comparison. That's not far from the truth.

I cannot imagine a Christian woman submitting to a non Christian husband. In fact, that would seem to be a dealbreaker before marriage.

Since, I have familiarized myself with what it means to submit and what it means to be a leader in a Christian marriage, but do not know how to do it in the practical sense. That is dangerous in my opinion. It can easily lead to control issues and maybe worse.

I just think it's a poor translation of the original text, to tell the truth. Women are too intelligent and capable to put under a glass and preserve. Their opinions balance a man's in many instances or add spice in a sense. Women are quite capable of taking care of themselves. They don't need a man to do it for them.

I have no plans to marry. If the good Lord does, he'll have to perform a few miracles or something.
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Agreed. A dealbreaker before marriage. After marriage, it's a different story, because you've entered a covenant with another person before God. It's not necessarily a reason to give up or back out of the marriage.

What is really dangerous, in my opinion, is your statement that the original text is poorly translated. What information do you have to support that claim? If you're using ESV OR NASV, this is a direct word for word translation, which both use the word "submit". The reason that this is an accurate translation is because it's what God actually meant. This is the picture of Christ and the church - it's God's design for marriage. Reread Ephesians 5. Nobody is saying that women are inferior or that they cannot take care of themselves. It's just that men and women have different but complementary roles.
 
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Ive seen this kinda thing three times in the last two days. Its annoying.
Im not jumping on anyone. I am entitled to my opinion kayla.
I dont care how long anyone has been on here. That is beside the fact.
 
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kaylagrl

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blondieindahouse said:
Ive seen this kinda thing three times in the last two days. Its annoying.
Im not jumping on anyone. I am entitled to my opinion kayla.
I dont care how long anyone has been on here. That is beside the fact.
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My point was she was doing it to be helpful. If you put a thread in the correct forum it will get more responses. No one said you aren't entitled to your opinion.While it may annoying to you its helpful to new people. She's not trying to police anything,she's being helpful.
 
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Agreed. A dealbreaker before marriage. After marriage, it's a different story, because you've entered a covenant with another person before God. It's not necessarily a reason to give up or back out of the marriage.

What is really dangerous, in my opinion, is your statement that the original text is poorly translated. What information do you have to support that claim? If you're using ESV OR NASV, this is a direct word for word translation, which both use the word "submit". The reason that this is an accurate translation is because it's what God actually meant. This is the picture of Christ and the church - it's God's design for marriage. Reread Ephesians 5. Nobody is saying that women are inferior or that they cannot take care of themselves. It's just that men and women have different but complementary roles.
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Please reread my post. If you understand what I wrote, you will know I have only "familiarized" myself with what it means. That means, these are my opinions not based on a chapter or verse, though from a general, maybe faulty understanding.

No where and in no way do I expect anyone to follow me. Please don't assume that was my intention. If you believe I am incorrect, I will have no issue with it. Just post what you mean and explain rather than attempting to lure me into some biblical argument I have no business trying to teach.

Somehow, I thought that was quite clear.
 
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nw2u said:
Please reread my post. If you understand what I wrote, you will know I have only "familiarized" myself with what it means. That means, these are my opinions not based on a chapter or verse, though from a general, maybe faulty understanding.

No where and in no way do I expect anyone to follow me. Please don't assume that was my intention. If you believe I am incorrect, I will have no issue with it. Just post what you mean and explain rather than attempting to lure me into some biblical argument I have no business trying to teach.

Somehow, I thought that was quite clear.
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Yeah it wasn't clear. Here's why, and I'll reference your original post.

You first admitted that you were taught by example and that it wasn't good enough. You're admitting now that you have opinions based on a general, possibly faulty, understanding. Then, you make the statement that "you think" it's a poor translation of the original text. So, in essence, you're admitting that you have neither the experiential background, nor the biblical foundation for a solid opinion, yet you're coming onto a Christian forum that, I hope, supports the infallibility and inerrancy of scripture, saying that a part of the Bible is poorly translated. I'm not usually this hard on people, but this is a serious issue. I'm not trying to lure you into an argument; I'm telling you that you yourself are admitting you are not qualified to teach, yet that's precisely what you are doing. And you're doing so in a way that discredits the integrity of the text.
 
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