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kaylagrl

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Bullying? Good grief, woman, you two had a disagreement, and you griped at him for it, and he griped back, but he's BULLYING?

Why is that, because he's male and you're female? That makes it bullying?

You need to choose your words more carefully, you don't do hyperbole well.

He loves the movie, you don't. Perhaps you should start another thread on how this movie is "dangerous", to avoid disagreements (and "bullying")
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She didn't see the movie,she read about it a few minutes ago in some link. I dont see the big deal. See it and make your own decision on it. My husband wanted to see that movie on Noah a couple years ago.I didn't think it would be worth watching as far as from a Biblical perspective. I went and saw it and my opinion didn't change. When someone asks my opinion I can give it because I saw the movie. If you haven't seen it you really cant be a movie critic.
 
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Wow, this could have been an opportunity for a good discussion, but good grief everyone is so quick to speak and accuse, and so very slow to ask questions. I could honestly see both points and think if we could respect each other and LEARN more about each other, then we may be able to show others something about the true body, the true church. We could show others what loving each other honestly looks like, but honestly what would you think as a nonbeliever (or pre-believer as my pastor likes to say) if you came here and saw all this pointless bickering? We are called to be of 1 mind, and that can only happen in truth.

I just did an Emmaus Walk, and it was awesome. Yes I study every day, yes I have my church and we love each other and all that, but for 30 men to come together, I had never met any of them, but yet we all came together in His name. All different denominations, different backgrounds, different skin tones and nationalities. I NEEDED to see that, it's so easy to get comfortable in our own nice safe little worlds and to grow complacent, but we cannot forget what we are ALL called to do and be different than this world. I know we have to grow towards Him, I know it's not always nice and neat, but we NEED each other and we have got to learn to talk together with respect and understanding, this schoolyard bickering is just sad. I know I am the worlds worst offender, but I want to be better, and I want to see the love Christ has given every Christian reflected in the Body, even in the internet communities. I am just saying we need to show love to each other, not always agree, I can show you love even if I disagree, and if I truly love you I will hear out your view and honestly think about it, because I may have something wrong you could teach me the correct way, or better perspective. Knowing it all is also a very dangerous place to be.

I just want to say I love y'all, and pray you all have a great day. :)
 
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here is a line from willies opening post

There are those of you here who will FREAK at this movie, and probably curse everything about it.
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now let's all have a quiet and decent exchange

I dare you LOL!
 
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this is my first post which was a response to his friends comments regarding the demonic

I'm taking exception to the painting of those who disagree with the concepts in this movie/book as demonic

That sounds like a witch hunt to me and before conclusions are reached regarding that statement, I have not read the book nor seen the movie so I am not actually commenting on it per se. I did look up the author and found that the crisis in his life came when his wife caught him in an adulterous affair with one of her best friends.

Apparently, all the deeply buried denials came out after that fact.

I did also read about the author's sexual abuse but not at the hands of his parents but the school where he went I think it was the age of 6

I find stating that those who are against the movie to have an agenda that springs from demonic influence to be very unfair and perhaps even prejudiced.

It shuts people down because who wants to be labelled demonic? It shuts down what might be legitimate questions or concerns for the same reasons and others as well as no one wants to stand out and be called prejudiced or demonic or ignorant or accused of putting God in a box

So, I'm questioning the reason for labeling those who do not like the movie or book as demonic. That's pretty strong language and I don't know who Robby Dawkins is or why I should believe this thought that there is demonic collusion to form a movement against the movie

The little I do know about the movie, it would seem it is going to cause reactions of one sort or another and I do not think it wise or fair to label one side as demonic or close minded

I think people should choose their words with more care and understanding that they are calling Christians demonic and I have noticed that there is far too much of that sort of name calling with no thought of the consequences
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notice I did not give a movie review but I commented on the demonic histrionics

that's a great way to shut people down. tell them they are demonic if they disagree

willie did not respond to my questions, instead he detracted from them by dismissing me

another great way to have a discussion

if you are going to defend your personal beliefs by calling those who disagree demonic, then I would suggest that perhaps the demonic part are the accusations

accusations of this nature do not spring from God even if you think they do
 
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kaylagrl said:
She didn't see the movie,she read about it a few minutes ago in some link. I dont see the big deal. See it and make your own decision on it. My husband wanted to see that movie on Noah a couple years ago.I didn't think it would be worth watching as far as from a Biblical perspective. I went and saw it and my opinion didn't change. When someone asks my opinion I can give it because I saw the movie. If you haven't seen it you really cant be a movie critic.
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it's not just a movie

it is a portrayal of a god that is not God but it seems to be par for the course these days to put God on a human level
 
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I cannot more highly recommend all; this movie, the book, and the series that has now begun on TBN.

No, TBN doesn't do much for me, on the whole. But they have done a great thing in recognizing one of the many true messages of God in this little book. It has shockingly opened my eyes to just how little of God I have allowed to exist in my narrow view of Him.

Undoubtedly this is going to be one of the most hated and attacked films of this decade. And I think that, alone, should speak volumes to us that there is something in here that is very dangerous to established religion. I truly believe Satan does not want anyone with honest questions about God or their relationship with Him or their purpose in this life to watch this movie or read the book.
 
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here is willies response to my first post

Rather than jumping to the conclusion that individuals are being attacked as "Demonic", may I suggest you read the FB post again? Robby said nothing of the sort. He said Demonic opposition would be attacking this endeavor. (That is a spiritual move against the message of the film, not human comments.)
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read my post again

did I say anything he did not say himself?

I understand that some will put on willie defense glasses and read INTO what I wrote but that's fine

I have noticed that the most fun some of you seem to have here, is attacking the poster rather than discussing the post

I still would like to know how it is a good idea to bring the demonic into it and state that if someone does not like the movie they are partaking in a demonic attack




and willie also thinks that if you disagree it is a good representation of some god, then this applies

These are the religious people who "know" God is an old man with a white beard who says 'thee' and 'thou' a lot.
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I have been trying to address the reason why people cannot disagree with willie without being labelled by him. that is very defensive behavior and why do that if you want to reach people? it seems to go the opposite of what he states regarding love and forgiveness

a double standard is what is really going on here

he mentions a spiritual move against the film...however it is Christians who are opposed

apparently, if you are opposed to the way God is represented, then you are RELIGIOUS, according to willie, and are moved by a demonic spirit according to his friend

this is the height of ignorance and a practice best reserved for the dark ages

get a grip and learn how to discuss and answer questions without putting out a smokescreen

and I'm not really interested in whatever derogatory comments willie will come up with next as people are free to make up their own minds of course

so again, just have a nice day willie and try to stay calm. people are allowed to disagree with your representation of a god
 
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sevenseas said:
it's not just a movie

it is a portrayal of a god that is not God but it seems to be par for the course these days to put God on a human level
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You haven't seen the movie.You're taking someone else's opinion of the movie. Let people make their own decision about it. Sheesh,why are you arguing over something you haven't seen? If you dont want to see it fine.But you can't comment if you haven't seen it.

 
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You haven't seen the movie.You're taking someone else's opinion of the movie. Let people make their own decision about it. Sheesh,why are you arguing over something you haven't seen? If you dont want to see it fine.But you can't comment if you haven't seen it.
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Ten years ago, when this book first came out, my wife and I were still quite religious. Her brother-in-law recommended the book to her, and she reacted almost identically to what has been seen here. She was incensed and horrified that despite the fact that the Bible tells us God created us in HIS own likeness.... creating both male and female.... she was mortified to hear that an author was blasphemously daring to suggest that God could appear as one of the people He created..... a female. And a black one, at that.

My wife is not racially prejudiced at all, but she knew, as any "good" Christian does, that God is a male.... and only a white male... and he would never appear as anything else.

Years later, at the suggestion of a friend, she actually read the book. She wept her way through almost every page.

Contrary to what she had thought, she learned that the races and genders depicted, had very little to do with the message of the book.... just as it is not really about a shack in the woods. Today, she touts the book even more than I do.
 
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kaylagrl said:
You haven't seen the movie.You're taking someone else's opinion of the movie. Let people make their own decision about it. Sheesh,why are you arguing over something you haven't seen? If you dont want to see it fine.But you can't comment if you haven't seen it.
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why do you ignore what I actually post like willie here?

my original post was about how those who disagree with the portrayal of God are labelled as religious and even worse, motivated by demonic opposition to the supposed message it contains

now if you can't acknowlege that, at least have the decency to lay off you opinions of my movie reviews when I have not given one

are you stuck on repeat or what?

you have not actually posted one thing regarding what I actually was concerned about to begin with

you might ask why people are labelled as religious by willie here or why he thinks his friend is on to something if people object to the concepts of the movie/book as a demonic move of some sort

if you cannot actually apply your aspirations to correct me to what I tactfully wrote, I will have to conclude you just want to be noticed because you say the same thing over and over and when I respond, you get sarcastic

your comments about Canadians are what exactly? what is your purpose there?
 
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Ten years ago, when this book first came out, my wife and I were still quite religious. Her brother-in-law recommended the book to her, and she reacted almost identically to what has been seen here. She was incensed and horrified that despite the fact that the Bible tells us God created us in HIS own likeness.... creating both male and female.... she was mortified to hear that an author was blasphemously daring to suggest that God could appear as one of the people He created..... a female. And a black one, at that.

My wife is not racially prejudiced at all, but she knew, as any "good" Christian does, that God is a male.... and only a white male... and he would never appear as anything else.

Years later, at the suggestion of a friend, she actually read the book. She wept her way through almost every page.

Contrary to what she had thought, she learned that the races and genders depicted, had very little to do with the message of the book.... just as it is not really about a shack in the woods. Today, she touts the book even more than I do.
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people have been making up their own gods for millenia and this movie/book is no exception

it's fiction, but sadly, seems to have caught the attention of those who still cannot wrap their minds around the fact that God is holy and we do not get to make Him over in our own little minds

However, the movie never explicitly seems to state that Jesus is “the way.” Also, there’s a running plot line throughout the movie of Mack telling his children a Native American legend of Multnomah Falls in which a young woman sacrifices herself for her people, and the Great Spirit honors her death by blessing the tribe with a stream that results in the beautiful Multnomah Falls. The Asian woman who portrays the Holy Spirit is given the name Sarayu, which is Hindi for “wind” or “holy river.” When you consider that this movie is made by the producers of THE LIFE OF PI, which argues that we should simply believe the truth we want to believe, it’s not surprising that THE SHACK is made acceptable for all religions. Thus, nearly every major religion may find something they like in THE SHACK that will reinforce their worldview. As Jesus says in John 4:24, God is indeed Spirit (John 4:24), but He wants us to worship Him, through His truth, not our own.
These three points may be missed completely by many who watch the movie. Truthfully, I hope they are missed. There’s no doubt that THE SHACK is a calculated attempt to be all things to all people, which inadvertently offers nothing substantive. Regardless, many Christians who might embrace the movie or the book don’t necessarily embrace (or even know about) the heresies in THE SHACK. For those that readily agree with this article, be gracious and quick to listen to others who like or were moved by the story, and be ready to correct false gospels if need be. For those who are fans of the movie or book, glean what you can from THE SHACK, but be careful about the desire to replace a comforting God with a false god who makes us comfortable.

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be careful who you call religious willie. you can view God any way you want, but you cross the line with your opinions when you call people religious because they disagree with a fictional, again FICTIONAL, account of God

the book is fiction and not does not represent God as He actually represents Himself but I can understand why some might be far more comfortable with a god who seems to understand the worst human behavior, rather than judging it and saying we come up short

your opinions and those of your wife are not the standard by which anyone has to accept your line of thought or opinions

neither are mine

fiction is not truth and you are arguing in favor of fiction over the Bible


 
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people have been making up their own gods for millenia and this movie/book is no exception

it's fiction, but sadly, seems to have caught the attention of those who still cannot wrap their minds around the fact that God is holy and we do not get to make Him over in our own little minds

[FONT="]However, the movie never explicitly seems to state that Jesus is “the way.” Also, there’s a running plot line throughout the movie of Mack telling his children a Native American legend of Multnomah Falls in which a young woman sacrifices herself for her people, and the Great Spirit honors her death by blessing the tribe with a stream that results in the beautiful Multnomah Falls. The Asian woman who portrays the Holy Spirit is given the name Sarayu, which is Hindi for “wind” or “holy river.” When you consider that this movie is made by the producers of THE LIFE OF PI, which argues that we should simply believe the truth we want to believe, it’s not surprising that THE SHACK is made acceptable for all religions. Thus, nearly every major religion may find something they like in THE SHACK that will reinforce their worldview. As Jesus says in John 4:24, God is indeed Spirit (John 4:24), but He wants us to worship Him, through His truth, not our own.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT="]These three points may be missed completely by many who watch the movie. Truthfully, I hope they are missed. There’s no doubt that THE SHACK is a calculated attempt to be all things to all people, which inadvertently offers nothing substantive. Regardless, many Christians who might embrace the movie or the book don’t necessarily embrace (or even know about) the heresies in THE SHACK. For those that readily agree with this article, be gracious and quick to listen to others who like or were moved by the story, and be ready to correct false gospels if need be. For those who are fans of the movie or book, glean what you can from THE SHACK, but be careful about the desire to replace a comforting God with a false god who makes us comfortable.

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be careful who you call religious willie. you can view God any way you want, but you cross the line with your opinions when you call people religious because they disagree with a fictional, again FICTIONAL, account of God

the book is fiction and not does not represent God as He actually represents Himself but I can understand why some might be far more comfortable with a god who seems to understand the worst human behavior, rather than judging it and saying we come up short[/FONT]
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AGAIN, besides copy/pasting someone else's opinion, with no knowledge of either the book or the movie, yourself, you accuse me of calling others "religious." I am pretty sure I said my wife and I were the religious ones.
 
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I am going to leave this thread.

It is pointless so you can continue to defend the misrepresentation of God and continue arguing I didn't watch the movie so I should just shut up.

The book and movie do not portray truthfully the character and holiness of God and if someone wishes to get around that by believing fiction, go ahead.

Millions of us do not care to do so and that is not religion telling us that, but rather understanding that the Bible is God's message to us and His Son is His gift.

I really hate getting bogged down with a debate that ignores the concerns I have posted and have what I posted about those concerns become a springboard for those who like to label people and call others religious or motivated by the demonic.

There has been no intelligent response to my concerns at this point, other than being told willie's wife has a low opinion and willie finds me religious and his friend believes I have demons pushing me towards my conclusions

Nothing more to be said as not one word has been said about why it is ok to label others religious because YOU personally have a different though and not one word as to why someone thinks demons are behind the thought processes of those who caution about the misrepresentation of God

I'm not surprised at that however. Fiction. But it seems that fiction is someone elses' truth.

I am not going to respond any more. It's a waste of time since nothing I asked about has been answered.
 
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right here willie you call those who are opposed to the movie religious

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I've heard many great things about it, then I see some christians crying "heresy" about it. I hope it's just an overreaction



These are the religious people who "know" God is an old man with a white beard who says 'thee' and 'thou' a lot.​
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either you are confused or have a bad memory

either way, you did say it so stop trying to make it seem I am picking on you

last post, but I wanted to point out again that you have twisted my concerns from the get go and that is your loss, not mine

quote is your post #7


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I've heard many great things about it, then I see some christians crying "heresy" about it. I hope it's just an overreaction
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right here willie you call those who are opposed to the movie religious



either you are confused or have a bad memory

either way, you did say it so stop trying to make it seem I am picking on you

last post, but I wanted to point out again that you have twisted my concerns from the get go and that is your loss, not mine

quote is your post #7


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No, I pointed out that back when religion ruled our lives, my wife and I also "knew" God was a white male, and we also called any other view of Him as heresy.
 
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why do you ignore what I actually post like willie here?

my original post was about how those who disagree with the portrayal of God are labelled as religious and even worse, motivated by demonic opposition to the supposed message it contains

now if you can't acknowlege that, at least have the decency to lay off you opinions of my movie reviews when I have not given one

are you stuck on repeat or what?

you have not actually posted one thing regarding what I actually was concerned about to begin with

you might ask why people are labelled as religious by willie here or why he thinks his friend is on to something if people object to the concepts of the movie/book as a demonic move of some sort

if you cannot actually apply your aspirations to correct me to what I tactfully wrote, I will have to conclude you just want to be noticed because you say the same thing over and over and when I respond, you get sarcastic

your comments about Canadians are what exactly? what is your purpose there?
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First my comments on Canada was to lighten you up a bit,apparently thats not possible. Your comments were getting nasty,thats why I mentioned friendly Canucks. Joke. As in lighten up. And you did give an opinion on the movie,you said people shouldn't see it.Im saying let others make their own decision.Someone said they liked it,let others go see it and give their own review.You haven't seen it so let it go! Why are you being so nasty over something so simple? smh.
 
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kaylagrl said:
She didn't see the movie,she read about it a few minutes ago in some link. I dont see the big deal. See it and make your own decision on it. My husband wanted to see that movie on Noah a couple years ago.I didn't think it would be worth watching as far as from a Biblical perspective. I went and saw it and my opinion didn't change. When someone asks my opinion I can give it because I saw the movie. If you haven't seen it you really cant be a movie critic.
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I really really really liked the movie Noah :D
 
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I am going to leave this thread.

It is pointless so you can continue to defend the misrepresentation of God and continue arguing I didn't watch the movie so I should just shut up.

The book and movie do not portray truthfully the character and holiness of God and if someone wishes to get around that by believing fiction, go ahead.

Millions of us do not care to do so and that is not religion telling us that, but rather understanding that the Bible is God's message to us and His Son is His gift.

I really hate getting bogged down with a debate that ignores the concerns I have posted and have what I posted about those concerns become a springboard for those who like to label people and call others religious or motivated by the demonic.

There has been no intelligent response to my concerns at this point, other than being told willie's wife has a low opinion and willie finds me religious and his friend believes I have demons pushing me towards my conclusions

Nothing more to be said as not one word has been said about why it is ok to label others religious because YOU personally have a different though and not one word as to why someone thinks demons are behind the thought processes of those who caution about the misrepresentation of God

I'm not surprised at that however. Fiction. But it seems that fiction is someone elses' truth.

I am not going to respond any more. It's a waste of time since nothing I asked about has been answered.
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Quote " and his friend believes I have demons pushing me towards my conclusions"

Nope,never said any such thing.And Willie and I disagree lots around here and still manage to like each others comments once in a while.
 
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Quote " and his friend believes I have demons pushing me towards my conclusions"

Nope,never said any such thing.And Willie and I disagree lots around here and still manage to like each others comments once in a while.
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And even like each other......... at least as applies the sentiment to my feelings about you.
 
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I really really really liked the movie Noah :D
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YOU Are SUCH a SINNER!! But its my birthday so I'll let it pass. Lol My husband really liked it too! It was neat to see what they came up with for an ark. Some day Im going to the one they built in Kentucky,I think it would really be something to see.
 
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