Why do toasters, dogs and children have the same legal standing as adults?

One of the most common arguments I'm seeing on here in regards to homosexual marriage is "Well, if we let that happen, then people will want to marry their dog, their child, their toaster, their sister" etc. Since when do animals, inanimate objects, and children have the same legal standing in terms of getting married? Now the sibling thing, technically yes- it should be allowed. Do I agree with it as something I'd do myself? No, but if someone wants to, why stop them? They could claim they are following the Christian ideals of sexual interactions considering incest was allowed back the old times.

Why do we still use that argument? Pedophiles have sex with children. Let me reiterate that. Pedophiles. Have sex. With. CHILDREN. Not only that, but children who DON'T WANT SEX. Now, how is that ANYTHING like two grown adults consenting to each other?

Smithbr8, I will answer your post if you answer mine from before. Who told you that deaf people can't get saved? I have never heard that in my life, and you accused us of believing it!

Those who do not hear the Word of God are condemned. Those who do not listen to God are condemned. Seems pretty clear.

The reason incest is illegal is because genetics. Look up results of incest based deformities. They can be quite severe and debilitating.

Incest was acceptable 'back the old times' because there was no other option, and also, genetically humanity was more pure and not prone to the deformities they are now.


You're, obviously, again, missing the point people are trying to make. No one is saying that 'animals inanimate objects and children' have the same legal standing as adults. The point people are making is at what point are we going to say 'this is too much?'. We allow homosexual marriage, so what is the next group to come along demanding rights?

No one is saying pedophilia is the same as homosexuality, again, you're missing the point. The idea here is that for a long long time homosexuality was off limits, taboo. Now, with the push for accepting homosexuality it becomes a norm of society. So what society as a whole once thought of as a bad thing, now they find acceptable. So the next step is another group to take the same route, pedophiles, or people into beastiality, trying to push an agenda that they are normal, and what they do is acceptable. Sound ridiculous? Never going to happen? Go back 50 years and tell people then that homosexuals would be able to legally marry, that they would hold parades, and having homosexuality taught in schools. Guess what they'd say... 'sounds ridiculous, never going to happen'.
With every unnatural act we allow to be treated as normal and common, it opens the door for the next group, and the next group.

Remember Sodom and Gomorrah? What was the cultural attitude of those cities when the angels appeared in the cities as men? They demand they were released so they could be raped. Culture had degenerated to homosexual rape was a normal thing.
Look at Amsterdam. Very free sexually, including acceptance of fetishes, homosexuality, etc.. and the legal age of consent for sex is 16. So a 40 year old man can have sexual contact with a 16 year old legally. The more you open a culture to and permit things to be acceptable, the more things people will want to fall under that umbrella of acceptable. Thats the whole idea people are getting at.

Smith, I personally know someone who is deaf, who was witnessed to in sign language, and was saved. Just cause they can't hear doesn't mean that they can't get saved. If the Lord wants a person's heart, He'll get it!

I agree. two consenting adults are nothing like someone raping a child. Right? You said previously that rape would count as having sex, and the person who got raped would be punished by God for having sex. I'm glad you can see the difference now, and have evidently changed your mind.

Moreover, not all Christians oppose homosexual marriage. But the issue is more complicated than that. Most people in our country oppose 35 people marrying each other, even though it wouldn't make my theoretical marriage defunct.

*sigh... those who DO NOT hear.... and DO NOT listen. DO NOT is a conscience decision. It doesn't say CANNOT. These are grade school distinctions.

It doesn't require ears to hear and listen.

AMEN , it is submitting yourself to the Holy Spirit and allowing yourself to hear. Gods words are heard in the heart.

It's about turning away from sin and repenting. In Acts 16:31 it says this: And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

But that's not what the Bible says.

Eh, typical Smith post. Take something in the bible so ultra-literally it looses all context, receive answers in context and then just say 'thats not what it says'. I've yet to see her accept any answer or explanation, no matter how well worded, how solid or how valid. She just seems to read it wrong and try to prove us wrong with her wrong context 'point'. I don't see so much an interest in learning, as she refuses all teaching, as much as she's trying to prove something to us.

How is it twisting when everyone says "He who does not hear the word of God is not saved"? How is it twisting if you read it exactly as it says? Look I remember you ok? You've been down on my case since the day I said "I want to learn more about my faith" and said "Stfu. You're not worthy. No you don't. Nobody can be as stupid as you for not understanding 100% of the Bible from the first glance, so you're not worth our or God's time."

If the two adults are engaging in activities not within the marriage covenant (homosexual acts, fornication, adultery, etc) then it would be a sin, just as pedophe molestation, and other related activities are sinful.

Another example: Homosexual sex is a sin, and so is gluttony.

The problem is, you're not reading it exactly as it says. What you're engaging in is called Eisegesis.



Which post did he say what you've quoted him as saying? If he did say that as you have quoted it, something should be done.

Christ demonstrated patience with Peter even when Peter did not understand everything right away Jesus never gave up on him or stopped loving him . New Believers are still learning and growing and seeking , and we should extend that same patience towards others ... I am so grateful I had someone in my life to help me understand and grow .

I understand exactly what you are sayng and I admire you for asking questions or seeking to understand. I did not read all of the bible from cover to cover until I was in my early 30"s. I am still learning and still seeking to understand . I know the Lord knows your heart and my heart . He is a God of mercy and Grace. And No those who do not hear are not condemned, they choose not to hear ..... The Bible says.... Seek me and you will find me...... If you are seeking to know God , you will find him .

Reading Gods word , helps you grow and understand his ways are not our ways. The Bible also says when you are saved, you are no longer of this world, but you are of the spirit. This means you hear not only with your ears, but with your heart too. The Holy Spirit leds you to understand .

Is it with the ears that one hears the Word of God or with the heart?
Consider the following verse...
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

I'll say this one more time

CONTEXT!

Second, the rest of your post is pure lies. The only thing i have said in the past is that you seem incapable of understanding simple things explained. And this post is another example. You've been explained to repeatedly and still refuse the explanations.

Smithbr8,
Do you realize the age of consent in european countries has been lowered to 16, 14, 13, and in the Netherlands 12-(if a complaint hasn't been filed)?
See it here : GUS
Is that proof enough for you?
That tolerating sexual sin as a society has very definite consequences?
How does it sound for a middle aged man to sleep with a middle schooler?
Is that perverted enough for you?