Why do toasters, dogs and children have the same legal standing as adults?

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RickyZ

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How is it twisting when everyone says "He who does not hear the word of God is not saved"? How is it twisting if you read it exactly as it says? Look I remember you ok? You've been down on my case since the day I said "I want to learn more about my faith" and said "Stfu. You're not worthy. No you don't. Nobody can be as stupid as you for not understanding 100% of the Bible from the first glance, so you're not worth our or God's time."
Sweetie, as Ugly as he is he is right, if you're going to seek understanding then you have to be open to at least 'hearing' others 'words'. Such as, you could be totally deaf and still 'hear' what I'm saying to you right now on this page. Right? Hearing doesn't require sound waves on an eardrum. It requires listening. There are none so blind as they who will not see, or as deaf as those who will not hear? Sight and hearing go way beyond your senses. You have to be open to insight, and inhearing. And that is the hearing God means here.

Now you've 'heard' other people here agree on a greater definition of the passage than you're giving it; you've 'heard' others here talk about learning to study things in context and proper grouping; And none of it required your ears.

Question is, you've heard. Now are you going to listen? That's what God is talking about.
 
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smithbr8

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Sweetie, as Ugly as he is he is right, if you're going to seek understanding then you have to be open to at least 'hearing' others 'words'. Such as, you could be totally deaf and still 'hear' what I'm saying to you right now on this page. Right? Hearing doesn't require sound waves on an eardrum. It requires listening. There are none so blind as they who will not see, or as deaf as those who will not hear? Sight and hearing go way beyond your senses. You have to be open to insight, and inhearing. And that is the hearing God means here.

Now you've 'heard' other people here agree on a greater definition of the passage than you're giving it; you've 'heard' others here talk about learning to study things in context and proper grouping; And none of it required your ears.

Question is, you've heard. Now are you going to listen? That's what God is talking about.
I understand in English we have the same word meaning two different things. However we are told NEVER to interpret the Bible out of context, so my question is-why can we on this passage? I understand we believe there are 2 meanings, but to hear means to have the sound go throughout the auditory system, not internalize and understand. We use that to further emphasize our points. But that isn't what "hear" actually means....
 
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jimmydiggs

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I understand in English we have the same word meaning two different things. However we are told NEVER to interpret the Bible out of context, so my question is-why can we on this passage? I understand we believe there are 2 meanings, but to hear means to have the sound go throughout the auditory system, not internalize and understand. We use that to further emphasize our points. But that isn't what "hear" actually means....
Let me ask you this:

What does it mean to "beat around the bush"?
 
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smithbr8

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Let me ask you this:

What does it mean to "beat around the bush"?
Literally? To smack the ground in a circle around a small plant hedge.

Interpreted is completely different. Now if I told you you had to take that saying literally, doesn't it change it's meaning completely? So why is it any different with any part of the Bible?
 

JimJimmers

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"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous."

If I interpret that, word for word, completely literally, it says that only deaf people can be righteous. (That and people who are just never around anyone who speaks of the law.) But that is obviously not what God was telling us. Remember, The Bible was written in Greek and Hebrew, and it has been translated into English. If someone asked me what a French warning label said, and it said to heed all instructions in the manual, I would probably say, "It says listen to all the instructions in the manual." They would still get the point though.
 

AAAPlus

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Wow...I don't know why this turned into a debate about deaf people, but I think this girl is completely insane. I also don't think it's worth arguing about because no mentally stable Christian would ever be convinced of this.
 
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hopesprings

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"Do not merely listen to the word and so deceive yourselves. Do what is says." James 1:22

There is a difference between physically hearing something, and understanding what is being said. No one can say that Jesus was only talking about physically hearing Him - in the sense of sound waves hitting the ear drum. If that were the case, then no one who is alive today could successfully "hear" the Word of God and be saved.

The definition of the word "hear" isn't bound to a physical description, anyway. It can also mean to receive information. A deaf person can receive information just as well as a person who can physically hear with their ears. You receive information when you read God's Word and talk to other believers. A deaf person cannot read God's Word? They can't talk to other believers using the internet, or a christian chat room? They don't have their own way of speaking that would enable them to communicate with others? The word "hear" is not bound exclusively to a physical process of hearing. The word means more then that.
 

RickyZ

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Wow...I don't know why this turned into a debate about deaf people, but I think this girl is completely insane. I also don't think it's worth arguing about because no mentally stable Christian would ever be convinced of this.
I was thinking the same thing until I read her profile. She has obviously had a lot of people feeding her a lot of crap. As one who's been down that road I can say that kind of environment will definately mess with your head. Let's show her the love of God by cutting her some slack and seeing if we can't address the bigger issues behind her thinking she's worthless. I know God doesn't think she is, so neither do I.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Literally? To smack the ground in a circle around a small plant hedge.

Interpreted is completely different. Now if I told you you had to take that saying literally, doesn't it change it's meaning completely? So why is it any different with any part of the Bible?
How do you know, which way I am using a phrase such as that?
 
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smithbr8

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How do you know, which way I am using a phrase such as that?
It doesn't matter. To look at it literally as in the very definition of each word, that is what the phrase means. Just like "One who does not hear the word of God is not saved".
 
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One of the most common arguments I'm seeing on here in regards to homosexual marriage is "Well, if we let that happen, then people will want to marry their dog, their child, their toaster, their sister" etc. Since when do animals, inanimate objects, and children have the same legal standing in terms of getting married? Now the sibling thing, technically yes- it should be allowed. Do I agree with it as something I'd do myself? No, but if someone wants to, why stop them? They could claim they are following the Christian ideals of sexual interactions considering incest was allowed back the old times.

Why do we still use that argument? Pedophiles have sex with children. Let me reiterate that. Pedophiles. Have sex. With. CHILDREN. Not only that, but children who DON'T WANT SEX. Now, how is that ANYTHING like two grown adults consenting to each other?
Here is what Jesus Christ said about same-sex marriage:

[6] But from the beginning of creation, `God made them male and female.'
[7] `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
[8] and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. Mark 10:6-8 RSV
 
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smithbr8

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Here is what Jesus Christ said about same-sex marriage:

[6] But from the beginning of creation, `God made them male and female.'
[7] `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
[8] and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh. Mark 10:6-8 RSV
To look at it literally, there's no mention of marriage in the 6th verse. 7 just states a general statement about some dude who left home and married his wife. Does this mean that women never move out of their houses? It makes no mention of the women leaving her house to be with her husband. The man moves in with the woman's family for all eternity? I've never seen that done.... I just doesn't make sense reading the word literally.... sorry.

But why can't two men or two women become one flesh as well? Isn't it just as easy, as the Bible says, to make two same sex people the same flesh as to make two opposite sex people the same flesh? I've never understood that passage in the literal sense. You can not become the same flesh with someone unless you slice off each others' skin and sew it onto your own. But even then, you'd have to have an even 50/50 split. Or eating each other's flesh would also work until you fully digested it....

And besides-divorces are legal nowadays. Why? This verse forbids it. Jesus states that divorces are unholy abominations to the Lord as well, yet nobody has an issue with a woman leaving her husband when he beats her mercilessly- even though most like she's never been beaten. If it's a true beating, the body will block out the pain and the woman will feel nothing.
 
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smithbr8

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Just so you know, deaf people do know how to READ.
Well aware. :/

Reading does not cause sound waves to penetrate the ear canal and ear drum causing the signals to travel to the brain and allow the brain to recognize it as sound. It doesn't say "Those who READ the word." It's those who "HEAR" the word.
 
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megaman125

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Most of the excuses people use to try and justify homosexuality can also be applied for beastiality. And that's all they are is excuses. If homosexuality was so good and right, people wouldn't need to come up with excuses to try and justify it. The reason people do is becasue of conviction, they know it's wrong, hence they have to try and justify/rationalize it.
 
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smithbr8

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Most of the excuses people use to try and justify homosexuality can also be applied for beastiality. And that's all they are is excuses. If homosexuality was so good and right, people wouldn't need to come up with excuses to try and justify it. The reason people do is becasue of conviction, they know it's wrong, hence they have to try and justify/rationalize it.
Dogs, cats, parrots, other animals such as those DO NOT HAVE LEGAL STANDING TO CONSENT TO MARRIAGE.
 
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megaman125

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Dogs, cats, parrots, other animals such as those DO NOT HAVE LEGAL STANDING TO CONSENT TO MARRIAGE.
No, that will come after the beastiality movement, when people start demanding their rights to freely marry and have sex with animals.

Also, on the topic of legal standing. Unborn eagles in their eggs have more rights than unborn human babbies. Kill an unborn eagle, and you get up to $250,000 in fines and 10 years in jail, but killing unborn babbies is a-ok according to the world.
 
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smithbr8

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No, that will come after the beastiality movement, when people start demanding their rights to freely marry and have sex with animals.

Also, on the topic of legal standing. Unborn eagles in their eggs have more rights than unborn human babbies. Kill an unborn eagle, and you get up to $250,000 in fines and 10 years in jail, but killing unborn babbies is a-ok according to the world.
What constitutional rights? They are not human beings. Are you saying that homosexuals are not human beings as well?
 
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megaman125

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Are you saying that homosexuals are not human beings as well?
I have no idea how you could even remotely draw that out of what I said.
 
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smithbr8

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I have no idea how you could even remotely draw that out of what I said.
"No, that will come after the beastiality movement, when people start demanding their rights to freely marry and have sex with animals"

The "beasitiality movement" you were referring to happening just like this "gay rights movement" which would stand to show that you believe they are just s equally valid. Therefore, this would insinuate that one would believe that homosexuals and a kitty cat have the same legal standing.....none.