Why is the "Jezebel spirit" concept mostly in Charismatic, Pentecostal, WOF circles?

Put this back in context...next to post it was posted to...then it makes sense
but i think you knew that.

I did not intend to be generous and kind in my statement, thankyou anyway.
and you tried to prove me with this post of yours. good work

yup sarah...can you imagine this stuff in our church? LOLOLOL!

we most assuredly don't give the devil acknowledgement from the sanctuary - the pulpit, as we hear the Word of the Lord and worship Him.
if His word mentions the devil....we read what GOD said.
end of story.

not what John Paul Jackson or C Peter Wagner or DemonBusters says.

Good job, Abiding. You knew what the result would be before you even give your first post. Well-planned, well executed.

For those of you who are Pentecostals, dispensationalists, charismatics, continuationists, etc. etc., understand what you're getting into in this thread. This thread is part of a well oiled machine. It is well prepared, even though by face value it doesn't look that way. It is, trust me. You won't like the outcome of it. I already see pairing off of sides, certain individuals against certain individuals. It's time for you to read between the lines and realize what's going on. I can't state that directly, and they know I can't. Their next move will be something to make me look foolish. Like I said, a well oiled machine that's been running for a long time.

yup sarah...can you imagine this stuff in our church? LOLOLOL!

we most assuredly don't give the devil acknowledgement from the sanctuary - the pulpit, as we hear the Word of the Lord and worship Him.
if His word mentions the devil....we read what GOD said.
end of story.

not what John Paul Jackson or C Peter Wagner or DemonBusters says.

Hi - I feel that the Charismatic penchant for mysticism coupled with their scriptural opposition to the women's equality movement has resulted in a preoccupation with this concept of the Jezabel spirit.

Actions opposing the behaviors similar to the scriptural character Jezabel (faux Masculine) and Ahab (faux Feminine) are rightly opposed. As this pasted verse suggests -

De 22:5 ¶ The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

This would be consistent with the men wearing women's clothing and vise/verse concept called the Jezebel spirit.

The charismatics are trying to incorporate the idea of demons being responsible for tempting Christian men/women to defy God in the same ways that Jezabel did. In attempting to find an identifying name for this concept or women/wives usurping the authority of men/husbands they have settled on the name the Jezabel Spirit.

Paul does set Men as being responsible for the union of marriage and God does hold Christian Husband's responsible for the union.

Have you ever wondered why Eve was deceived and sinned first but God's word says that sin entered through one man, that being Adam who ate even though He was not deceived?

Why did Adam eat if He was not deceived? Because He wanted to be with His wife, after all God created Her for Him. Just as Christ (out of Love for the Father) wants to be with the Church.

1Ki 21:8 So she wrote letters in Ahab’s name, and sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters unto the elders and to the nobles that were in his city, dwelling with Naboth.

Jezabel usurped the role of Her husband (becoming masculine) and Ahab effectively became feminine in submitting to Her ungodly usurpation.

The proper reaction to a wife's attempts at usurpation is seen in Ester 1:11-22. Remember God divorced the nation of Israel for disobedience in Jer 3:8.


This is simply Christians trying to combat the ungodly aspects of the women's movement.

This is (in my opinion) just an attempt by Christians to combat liberalism and it's possible inroads into the church via women.

Respectfully - Brian

Well...I don't think Martin Luther is writing about Zwingly here..


For still our ancient foe doth seek to work us woe; his craft and power are great, and armed with cruel hate, on earth is not his equal......


And though this world, with devils filled, should threaten to undo us, we will not fear, for God hath willed his truth to triumph through us. The Prince of Darkness grim, we tremble not for him; his rage we can endure, for lo, his doom is sure; one little word shall fell him.

The Bible tells us to be as wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Guess what you have when you have someone as wise as serpents, but the rest is missing?

Hmm..or it could just be another discussion on CC.
Why does this get reframed as something so umm..more complicated than it has to be?

how do you know anything about the real satan? hand to hand combat? first hand knowledge?

you even know the new names he's coming up with for demons?

what's all the attention on the DEVIL for?

UGH.

rotten charismatic fruit.
don't even compost it.
bury it.

eh

This...
[video=youtube;Wn6FF5nhTSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6FF5nhTSs[/video]

This...
[video=youtube;Wn6FF5nhTSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6FF5nhTSs[/video]

For those of you who are Pentecostals, dispensationalists, charismatics, continuationists, etc. etc., understand what you're getting into in this thread. This thread is part of a well oiled machine. It is well prepared, even though by face value it doesn't look that way. It is, trust me. You won't like the outcome of it. I already see pairing off of sides, certain individuals against certain individuals. It's time for you to read between the lines and realize what's going on.

Is this your idea of a joke?

Perhaps the problem is they are not realizing that Prophet by definition is not exclusive to
one who predicts the future,
but are deceived in the fact not realizing that by definition it also includes the title of "teacher"
As Jesus was the eptiome of prophet and teacher equally, not being one or the other,

One detriment for going against Gods instruction in how he asks his church to utilize its authority is that Teachers are held to a higher standard.
It is Within this fact of being instructed that women are not to not exercise authority over men that even claiming or teaching over men is still flying under the radar undetected as being a
Prophetess..thereby going against Gods word exercising authority over men, since for the most part we know what we are taught.
Women are instructed to teach other women and children and within these guidelines we often see they dont teach the younger women to be subject to their husbands and instead teach from a stance of past issues which manifest as a stance of fear...
We are told not to live in fear.
It can be understandable if such women have endured some sort of past abuse from men
But it still doesnt justify usurping Gods word...it still dont make it right simply if one "FEELS" strongly when it goes against Gods word.
Im certain Abraham did not FEEEEL good about having to be asked to sacrifice his son for no reason.
But obedience to the Lord is still higher...and look at the resulting blessings for it.

It is the enemy we know that wants us to live in fear, women to live in fear of mens authority, and women to live in fear of being submissive to their husband as God instructs.
When we see this stance it can be easily recognized that since therte is no fear in Christ and that anything not done of faith is sin.....the conclusion that teaching from a stance of fear is a tactic of the enemy and thereby also recognizable as a likely influence of the JS...to undermine mens authority in the church and household.
The authorities are in place by God not for Good conduct since good conduct need not be addressed but for bad conduct.
It is when bad conduct is addressed where terms like abusive and controlling start to emanate as a means to foster usurping the Authorities God has placed as servants for his good.

However...I would not disagree with women sharing experiences and insights into what they have learned from the Lord in their own life, and that men would be able to learn from such experiences.
Yet at the same time a person being "influenced" by the Jezebel spirit has not authority of their own, but borrows from the authority of another, hence how Jezebel was able to influence a nation(not on her own notice she borrows from the authority of men)
through Ahab.
As well we can notice the same infiltration in the church is authority still only granted by(borrowed from) men who either relented or allowed such. (often from the squeaky wheel gets greased tactic)
Most often when the JS authority is either challenged or taken away, the resistant spiritual influence will be manifest itself and be more easily recognized by showing resistance.
Often followed by threats, manipulation, direct lying of any accusation as a reason for removing her authority, as well as temper tantrums.
Including indirect death threats and intimidation.


proph·et(pr

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t)n.1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
3. A predictor; a soothsayer.
4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause. (such as womens lib or femenism)




Women have a great place in the church and within Gods calling, they can be protected, loved, and upheld as cherished and important, yet spoiling or catering to wants was never in the equation.
God doesn not even spoil his church, since much like a child one knows it is wrong for the child to suddenly become the parent.
We can't parent the Father...he parents us...and it stands to good reason and wisdom which is higher than ones feelings or how one feels about a thing that Gods ways are higher than ours.
Jesus loves the church but he also said
"if you love me...you will obey my commands."
Are we to call Christ manipulative or controlling for placing a condition both works within faith upon the church?

While yes its true many men have abused their God given authority
Solomon one of the wisest even let things go to his head.
Moses one of Gods great...was still punished for not obeying God perfectly as was said.
So who are we to tell the potter how to use his clay?

Now to be fair...honestly I dont want that authority, I dont want to be a teacher.
I dont want the responsibility that goes along with it.
I could say sure let women have at it

But........its just not how God outlined things to be...
So the men gotta stand for God even if it turns ones own mother or father or family against them.

For those of you who are Pentecostals, dispensationalists, charismatics, continuationists, etc. etc., understand what you're getting into in this thread. This thread is part of a well oiled machine. It is well prepared, even though by face value it doesn't look that way. It is, trust me. You won't like the outcome of it. I already see pairing off of sides, certain individuals against certain individuals. It's time for you to read between the lines and realize what's going on.

You asked what happens when they are as wise as serpents but the rest is missing.
What happens in that video is your answer.

She called herself a prophetess, i.e., set up for a teacher; taught the Christians that fornication,

1 Cor 14
[SUP]34[/SUP]Let your[SUP][d][/SUP] women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? [SUP]37 [/SUP]If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.[SUP][e][/SUP]

1 tim 2
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

Naw...... those people aren't very smart at all. They're the opposite. They're also the cessationists' poster child stereotype. I always thought stereotyping was a sin. I guess not since you interpret the rules.