I Believe In Evolution and the Bible

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Magenta

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Alright, when you ask questions you are by literal definition confused.
Wrong. For instance, teachers ask questions all the time. Asking questions stimulates thought. When God asked Adam where he was when he and Eve hid from God after eating of the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil, God was not confused. He knew exactly where Adam was.
 
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I said ur attitude is stupid. I didnt say u are. Keep reading what you want. You just proved that u read what you want to read and i doubt you are here for discussion... more for argue
No, I never said that you thought I was stupid, I said that you thought my theory thoughts were stupid and that you would refuse to answer them.
 

Magenta

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You do realize that most Christians actually accept Evolution, right? I'm not saying that a well established piece of science that is supporting in all branches of science is wrong. You are.
What do you mean by most? How many Christians are there? What percentage of Christians accept evolution, and who has done the research to establish this? You need to give sources to back your claims, and not just make wild unsubstantiated assertions, willy-nilly.
 
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Wrong. For instance, teachers ask questions all the time. Asking questions stimulates thought. When God asked Adam where he was when he and Eve hid from God after eating of the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil, God was not confused. He knew exactly where Adam was.
So are you saying that when you asked me what I meant for some of the things I said, you just already knew the answers? If not then you were by definition confused. I don't mean that every question is inherently being asked by someone who is confused on the subject, but that is what it means in this context.
 

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So are you saying that when you asked me what I meant for some of the things I said, you just already knew the answers? If not then you were by definition confused. I don't mean that every question is inherently being asked by someone who is confused on the subject, but that is what it means in this context.
I was showing you the blatant error of your assertion. You are making up your own definitions to try to prove something true that is false. You will not do well here if you carry on in like manner.
 
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The problem with the OP is he is starting this whole thing with a string of poor communication. Every post he makes to clear things up create new misunderstandings.
But the biggest flaw, even before communication, was his inability to see the error in his first post.
He states that a group has a wrong understanding of a belief system.
Then challenges that group to correct his belief. Without stating what specifics as to what is misunderstood. How can people "prove him wrong" if he doesn't make clear what he believes? Or what others believe that are wrong?

So from the beginning there is a lack of understanding how to start a debate.
Then next is shown poor communication skills.
And finally trying all this in the section clearly marked as a place for introduction and not in an appropriate section of the site.
Putting all this together with his self important need to throw out a challenge because he is so sure everyone else is an uneducated idiot and he is so much more enlightened suggests that such discussions with him will be like talking to a brick wall.
By the way, I'm not a young earth proponent. Figured I'd prevent that accusation.
 
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What do you mean by most? How many Christians are there? What percentage of Christians accept evolution, and who has done the research to establish this? You need to give sources to back your claims, and not just make wild unsubstantiated assertions, willy-nilly.
As I am using a mobile device, I can't link the site which shows date for this but I will just point you to the article "Public's Views on Human Evolution" on pewforum.org.
 
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The problem with the OP is he is starting this whole thing with a string of poor communication. Every post he makes to clear things up create new misunderstandings.
But the biggest flaw, even before communication, was his inability to see the error in his first post.
He states that a group has a wrong understanding of a belief system.
Then challenges that group to correct his belief. Without stating what specifics as to what is misunderstood. How can people "prove him wrong" if he doesn't make clear what he believes? Or what others believe that are wrong?

So from the beginning there is a lack of understanding how to start a debate.
Then next is shown poor communication skills.
And finally trying all this in the section clearly marked as a place for introduction and not in an appropriate section of the site.
Putting all this together with his self important need to throw out a challenge because he is so sure everyone else is an uneducated idiot and he is so much more enlightened suggests that such discussions with him will be like talking to a brick wall.
By the way, I'm not a young earth proponent. Figured I'd prevent that accusation.
You are right about this being a bad form of communication so I do apologize for that. I didn't think of putting every detail in the original post because I thought there was already an understanding of at least the basics of evolution, but you are most definitely right in your criticism because it doesn't provide good sources. I do not think everyone here is an uneducated idiot because if I did I wouldn't waste my time. I want to hear other's opinions to prove me wrong so I myself can grow in this topic. I don't go to sites that have forums for the KKK because I do believe that they are uneducated idiots and I don't think I would gain any new knowledge from having discussions.
 

Noose

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The problem with the OP is he is starting this whole thing with a string of poor communication. Every post he makes to clear things up create new misunderstandings.
But the biggest flaw, even before communication, was his inability to see the error in his first post.
He states that a group has a wrong understanding of a belief system.
Then challenges that group to correct his belief. Without stating what specifics as to what is misunderstood. How can people "prove him wrong" if he doesn't make clear what he believes? Or what others believe that are wrong?

So from the beginning there is a lack of understanding how to start a debate.
Then next is shown poor communication skills.
And finally trying all this in the section clearly marked as a place for introduction and not in an appropriate section of the site.
Putting all this together with his self important need to throw out a challenge because he is so sure everyone else is an uneducated idiot and he is so much more enlightened suggests that such discussions with him will be like talking to a brick wall.
By the way, I'm not a young earth proponent. Figured I'd prevent that accusation.
Are you a specialist in finding error with what others do? In a scale of 1 - 10, how perfect are you, because i've realized 80% of your posts are criticism especially of new individuals who don't know how to act yet.
 
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No you didn't do no research son, stop lying. Evolution is pseudoscience and the easiest to disprove of them all.
Evolution relies heavily on beneficial mutations and natural selection(none of these happens by the way)-so, to disprove it, i'll take something that has no association with genes - The human language.

Human language is basically words with meanings and specific pronunciation that MUST be taught/learnt for anyone to speak. IOW, words and their meanings are externally acquired from knowledgeable sources through a process called learning. With this single fact, no matter how far back we go (billions of years if there's such a thing), we will never reach a point where words and their meanings were not taught or a point where meanings came from genetic mutations and subsequent natural selection- we can only go back to the single source of knowledge where man got to learn language and that's God.
To state an opinion, even if such opinion is false, is not a lie. Words, in your example, are not genetic nor biological in any way and it makes no sense as a comparison. And really, evolution is the easiest pseudoscience to disprove? Really? What about eugenics, a flat earth, or that the Moon landing was faked?
 
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Are you a specialist in finding error with what others do? In a scale of 1 - 10, how perfect are you, because i've realized 80% of your posts are criticism especially of new individuals who don't know how to act yet.
Thank you but he is right on the communication element. He doesn't have to be perfect to criticize.
 
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Are you a specialist in finding error with what others do? In a scale of 1 - 10, how perfect are you, because i've realized 80% of your posts are criticism especially of new individuals who don't know how to act yet.
Aww. I have a stalker. How creepy.
 
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Thank you but he is right on the communication element. He doesn't have to be perfect to criticize.
My respect for you went up. Not for agreeing with me but for seeing and acknowledging a flaw, particularly under the circumstances. Doubtless my respect means little to nothing, yet it's still there.
 

Noose

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To state an opinion, even if such opinion is false, is not a lie. Words, in your example, are not genetic nor biological in any way and it makes no sense as a comparison. And really, evolution is the easiest pseudoscience to disprove? Really? What about eugenics, a flat earth, or that the Moon landing was faked?
You are trying to evade like all the other evolutionists do. If evolution is about explaining diversity in life and we know early life forms did not speak, yet the human species today speaks, then the origin of human language being part of the species diversity must be in that explanation (evolution)- it is your baby, not your neighbor's.

If the theory that explains diversity leaves part of diversity out of it's explanation, how can it be true?
 

Magenta

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As I am using a mobile device, I can't link the site which shows date for this but I will just point you to the article "Public's Views on Human Evolution" on pewforum.org.
From the page you directed me to:

Of the white evangelical Protestants and black Protestants who believe that humans have evolved over time, most believe that a supreme being guided evolution.

Do you think they mean small changes happening over time,
or entire species popping out of nothing apropos of nothing?
 
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Not really a stalker, that's how you welcomed me here recently, it's not friendly. Get a life.
I've seen some of your posts, so your lack of approval does nothing at all to disappoint me. If anything it's welcome.
"Get a life". Haha. Such a corny attempt at an insult. Mr Eye For An Eye trying to look down on me.
 

Noose

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I've seen some of your posts, so your lack of approval does nothing at all to disappoint me. If anything it's welcome.
"Get a life". Haha. Such a corny attempt at an insult. Mr Eye For An Eye trying to look down on me.
It's not about an eye for an eye, it's about treating others and even correcting them with meekness and making them feel welcomed- you can't achieve that if your plan for the day is perusing through threads looking for something to criticize.
 

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If you believe in evolution perhaps you can help me out? How do you relate natural selection to irreducible complexity?

Dawkins Blind Watchmaker never really addresses this idea of evolution through natural selection with increasing complexity in the organisms. How does natural selection add to the genetic material available for mutation?

For the cause of Christ
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The biological boundaries Genesis 1:20-25 "kinds" or genuses can't be crossed. A dinosaur is a dinosaur. A bird is a bird. There are no missing links in the fossil record. The fossils require rapid and immediate burial so the outline of their body can be preserved in fine detail with no decay. The Flood is true.
 
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