I Believe In Evolution and the Bible

And believe you care little about others finding the truth and love to be fondled by thoughts of your opponents suffering. You sadistic creature.

Also, that's a bold claim coming from a former drug addict. It seems like you can believe that you can find God and change but Darwinists are just to far gone. You are an insult to anyone who is gifted with a brain because of the way you use it.

For starters, I'm glad you came to talk to people who could disagree with you. Anyways...

Evolution is well-established in all branches of science? What's your definition of science? I believe evolution is more of a non-scientific philosophical argument that also uses scientific facts. In other words, I believe evolution is fundamentally not scientific or based on science. It's more of a philosophical argument of what is believed to have happened in the past, without experience or observation. People were not there to experience, observe, or as far as I know be able to replicate (experiment) the hypothesis of evolution... observation, experience, and experimentation is necessary for evolution to be strictly scientific.

What's your definition for science?

Alright, if I murdered one of your family members and the police found me with your family member's blood soaking through my shirt, would you say that I should be let go because the police didn't witness me doing it? Let's say the police have found the blood to have your relative's DNA and that's how they conclude I'm the killer. It would be proven that I am guilty not because anyone was there to witness the crime, but because forensic science showed I was guilty. The observations are on the results of something, not the progression of something. So yes, Evolution is definitely science.

No, Evolution is not some random philosophy. It is a large theory. A theory in this case is a large collection of studies that point to one thing. I'm sure you believe in gravity and cells although both of these things are scientific theories. Evolution is not mere conjecture.

Many high ranking scientists have sacrificed money, position and reputation because of their morals. It would be easy to go along to get along in these tight knit communities. Upon discovery of something that contradicts the fossil records or believed timeline, coverups ensue. You can’t get funded if every time the ground opens up you have to rewrite your thesis. Just as you feel some Christians are narrow minded in their faith and invent reality to believe in, you can’t ignore there are professionals on the other side of the fence equally zealous in their faith. You are naive to think that scientists do not ignore data that negates their theories. It has even been reported that some data is manipulated to reinforce it. We are talking about their life’s work in some cases, text books, professors, even entire devoted sciences have to eat crow upon some discoveries. In that case, hide the evidence, and blackball the proponents.

All it takes to know that creation is not evolution based is, research the fossil record for macro-transitional fossils (not one found) and seriously look at what we know about the body (all designed for function and adaptation). Even how glucose is controlled in the body is obviously an engineered process. DNA never increases in complexity....never! Over time DNA reduces and becomes damaged. Mutations are lateral at best.

You claim to want to discuss evolution with fellow believers to increase your knowledge. There is a proverb (Buddhist I think) that states, when the student is ready the teacher appears. You wish to be the teacher, and dazzle us with knowledge we haven’t heard yet. You desire to have your ego stroked as we applaud your wisdom beyond your years. However, many here have been down the road you are on and know where it leads. Wisdom is only achieved when you prepare yourself for the probability that somebody knows more than you about something. It is a wise man who rejects no claim at face value. He collects knowledge and researches it diligently for accuracy. Heed my words and do your research if you desire wisdom. Any fool will see that creation is a product of intelligent design void of any progression involving evolution.

I could give credence to forensic science that is based off past observations and experiences.

But, does evolution, specifically MACRO evolution, have such a backing? Was there an observer to see evolution happen? Was there someone there to experience what happened millions of years ago... can anyone even live long enough to experiment the hypothesis of evolution, million of years needed? Remember science necessarily is based off observation, experience, and experimentation.

Evolution is based off a collection of studies? Did those studies have studies in which scientists observed and experimented evolution happening?

What I honestly believe is that science has been stretched to include philosophical arguments. There are scientists who are not using the word science correctly OR they have to admit that they are using different criteria sometimes... a criteria that ISN'T based off observation, experience, and experimentation.

Could you please give your definition of science?

Wintry claims she has not insulted anyone ... What a joke ... Below is one of her quotes from the top of this very page ...

"You are one of the most stupid, brainless, ignorant people I have ever faced on this internet"

This is what she said, yet she claims to have insulted no one ...

Two other quotes Ms. Wintry posted about other people ...

"You are an insult to anyone who is gifted with a brain because of the way you use it."

"You sadistic creature."

I could be wrong, but those sort of sound like insults to me ...

Its not up to us to decide who is going to be judged, its up to God. And by the the way in God's kingdom mercy triumphs over judgement.

I do believe that concept of evolution undermines the foundation of the Bible and therefore the true unchangeable word of God.. if foundation is destroyed what shall the righteous do? If you believe in evolution then it makes difficulties for us to believe in the story of Genesis and if we throw that away than the foundation of the Bible is no longer there. Genesis makes way for the gospels and if we doubt the creation and the beginning of Gods work then it will open up room for more doubts in the rest of the Bible and that's not the reason why God has blessed us with His word, not to doubt but to believe, obey, practice, live it and breathe it.

Maybe or he / she hasnt been digging deep enough into the Bible. Anyway we are here to teach as well as be taught.

The user name is blue, so...I don't see the discrepancy.

Your judgement doesn’t condemn others, it condemns yourself! Look up Matt 7:2. Believing a lie about how God created things isn’t a salvation deal breaker! Right out of the gate he declared Darwin wasn’t the front runner on evolution. And yes, he is extremely insulting and admitted to it. That demeanour exposes the condition of one’s heart and would be more damning then erroneous scientific theory.

One doesn’t have to believe emphatically in every word of Genesis to grasp the truth that we were created. As a creation we are intellectual property and belong to the Creator. If I painted a picture it’s mine and have freedom to do what I want with it. If I made a robot to fulfill a purpose and it chose to hate me and serve another and itself then it would be up to me to decide what to do. That’s all we need to establish, we belong to Him. If He puts authority into the hands of His Son, that’s up to Him. The danger isn’t deciding whether God used evolution (that’s just scientifically unsound), if it still keeps God in the driver seat as the authority. The problem is eliminating God from the equation as Creator and Him declaring sovereignty over a spontaneous phenomenon. That’s more like enslavement. Regardless, we have seriously gone off of the reservation for an introductory post.

It’s not belief in any lie, it is specific lies. If Wintry denounced faith in Christ because he emphatically bought into evolution then you might have a case. He didn’t start the lie of evolution, he was deceived by it. If being fooled about something is a punishable crime then Heaven will be populated by no man. I can tell you right now that there are holes in your theology because you read the Bible in English. You were taught wrong. You believe a lie. There will be no convincing you that you are wrong just as you won’t convince Wintry. Until either of you face the probability that you might be wrong, your convictions point to the “facts” that everyone else is.

When someone originally believes in a lie that is them being deceived ... However, when the lie is clearly defined and revealed unto them by giving scripture at that point it is no longer mere deception they are falling for ... Once the lie has been clearly revealed unto them, after that it is willful disobedience of God to continue to offer any defense for their original position ... It is much more severe to defend what has been proven by the Bible to be indefensible than it is to be deceived in the beginning ... There is a major difference between the two ... Evolution is clearly proven to be a fallacy by the Bible ... Anyone defending such a fallacy after being given the scripture of the Bible is then willfully disobeying the word of God ... They are no longer simply making a mistake ...

Reading the KJV is not equitable to putting faith and commitment into
a man-made atheistic pseudo religion commonly called
'The Theory Of Evolution.'

Denying the truth of God's word and his declared creation is
a pretty specific lie.
Denying the nature and power of God [Jesus actually] to create all
things according to his purpose is a great lie.
The Bible declares that Jesus created things that exist in our world and
universe out of nothing - by the power of his mind and voice to speak
things both inanimate and living into being.

Darwinism and evolution refute this and refer to Creation as myths
and fairytales for the unlearned and simpletons who need "religion"
to explain the universe.

God is about the truth and it behoves mankind to seek out the truth.
For in the truth of the gospel and Jesus as our one and only Saviour
there is our salvation.

there is no salvation through Charles Darwin nor Stephen Hawking
nor Richard Dawkins.