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Zohar, I have some questions for you. I am somewhat familiar with Egyptian history. Several years ago I made plans to visit Egypt. I had planned to scuba dive at Sharm el Sheikh, visit Siwa in the western desert and visit Alexandria to attend the Orthodox Church there. Is your wife a Copt? Many other places I wanted to visit but the fighting there started and so we cancelled our trip.

Without the fighting, Egypt is a beautiful country. You and your wife have had a difficult past. I pray that you will find a Christ centered church and Bible study group and that both of you will be very happy.
 

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This story doesn’t make sense; I understand that you have to have faith, what the fig tree have to do with faith.
Maybe there is another explanation
​Hi Zohar,

Here's a commentary that may be helpful. Website:
https://www.gotquestions.org/curse-fig-tree.html

Question: "Why did Jesus curse the fig tree?"

Answer:
The account of Jesus cursing the barren fig tree is found in two different gospel accounts. First, it is seen in Matthew 21:18-22, and then also in Mark 11:12-14. While there are slight differences between the two accounts, they are easily reconciled by studying the passages.

Like all Scripture, the key to understanding this passage comes from understanding the context in which it happened. In order to properly understand this passage, we must first look at the chronological and geographical setting. For example, when did this occur, what was the setting, and where did it happen?

Also, in order to fully understand this passage, we need to have an understanding of the importance of the fig tree as it relates to the nation of Israel and understand how the fig tree is often used in the Scriptures to symbolically represent Israel. Finally, we must have a basic understanding of the fig tree itself, its growing seasons, etc.


First, in looking at the general chronological setting of the passage, we see that it happened during the week before His crucifixion. Jesus had entered Jerusalem a day earlier amid the praise and worship of the Jewish people who were looking to Him as the King/Messiah who was going to deliver them from Roman occupation (Matthew 21:1-11; Mark 11:1-11).

Now, the next day, Jesus is again on His way to Jerusalem from where He was staying in Bethany. On His way, both Matthew and Mark record that He was hungry and saw a fig tree in the distance that had leaves on it (
Mark 11:13).

Upon coming to the tree expecting to find something to eat, Jesus instead discovered that the fig tree had no fruit on it and cursed the tree saying, “May no fruit ever come from you again!” (
Matthew 21:19; Mark 11:14).

Matthew records the cursing and the withering of the fig tree all in one account and includes it after the account of Jesus cleansing the Temple of the moneychangers. Mark explains that it actually took place over two days, with Jesus cursing the fig tree the first day on the way to cleanse the Temple, and the disciples seeing the tree withered on the second day when they were again going to Jerusalem from Bethany (
Mark 11:12-14 and Mark 11:19-20).

Of course, upon seeing the tree “withered from the roots up,” the disciples were amazed, as that would have normally taken several weeks.


Having reviewed the general chronological setting of the story, we can begin to answer some of many questions that are often asked of it. First of all is the question, Why did Jesus curse the fig tree if it was not the right season for figs?

The answer to this question can be determined by studying the characteristics of fig trees. The fruit of the fig tree generally appears before the leaves, and, because the fruit is green it blends in with the leaves right up until it is almost ripe.

Therefore, when Jesus and His disciples saw from a distance that the tree had leaves, they would have expected it to also have fruit on it even though it was earlier in the season than what would be normal for a fig tree to be bearing fruit. Also, each tree would often produce two to three crops of figs each season. There would be an early crop in the spring followed by one or two later crops.

In some parts of Israel, depending on climate and conditions, it was also possible that a tree might produce fruit ten out of twelve months. This also explains why Jesus and His disciples would be looking for fruit on the fig tree even if it was not in the main growing season.

The fact that the tree already had leaves on it even though it was at a higher elevation around Jerusalem, and therefore would have been outside the normal season for figs, would have seemed to be a good indication that there would also be fruit on it.


As to the significance of this passage and what it means, the answer to that is again found in the chronological setting and in understanding how a fig tree is often used symbolically to represent Israel in the Scriptures.

First of all, chronologically, Jesus had just arrived at Jerusalem amid great fanfare and great expectations, but then proceeds to cleanse the Temple and curse the barren fig tree. Both had significance as to the spiritual condition of Israel. With His cleansing of the Temple and His criticism of the worship that was going on there (
Matthew 21:13; Mark 11:17), Jesus was effectively denouncing Israel’s worship of God.

With the cursing of the fig tree, He was symbolically denouncing Israel as a nation and, in a sense, even denouncing unfruitful “Christians” (that is, people who profess to be Christian but have no evidence of a relationship with Christ).


The presence of a fruitful fig tree was considered to be a symbol of blessing and prosperity for the nation of Israel. Likewise, the absence or death of a fig tree would symbolize judgment and rejection.

Symbolically, the fig tree represented the spiritual deadness of Israel, who while very religious outwardly with all the sacrifices and ceremonies, were spiritually barren because of their sins. By cleansing the Temple and cursing the fig tree, causing it to whither and die, Jesus was pronouncing His coming judgment of Israel and demonstrating His power to carry it out. It also teaches the principle that religious profession and observance are not enough to guarantee salvation, unless there is the fruit of genuine salvation evidenced in the life of the person.

James would later echo this truth when he wrote that “faith without works is dead” (
James 2:26). The lesson of the fig tree is that we should bear spiritual fruit (Galatians 5:22-23), not just give an appearance of religiosity. God judges fruitlessness, and expects that those who have a relationship with Him will “bear much fruit” (John 15:5-8).
 
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Israel was under a brutal Roman oppression and that include crucifying people among other unimaginable atrocities. You should be embarrassed to write about the “spiritual deadness of Israel”; you victimizing the victims.
 
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My first question is about food, in the Old Testament god instruct the Israelite not to eat pork. Why it is that Christians eat pork? And when it became okay to eat Pork?
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

All meat is good in the New Testament,because it is spiritual now,and can be cleansed by the word of God and prayer.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let No One Disqualify You
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way,nailing them to His cross,for they were contrary to us,which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation,so let no person tell you to keep the physical ordinances of Israel,including the distinction of clean and unclean meat,for they were only a shadow of things to come,and when you are part of the body of Christ it is spiritual,and physical ordinances have no bearing on blessing you spiritually.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

Jesus abolished the law of commandments contained in the physical ordinances of Israel,that were exclusive to Israel,and given to them,and made of Gentiles and Jews one new man in the New Testament,going by the 2 greatest commandments,love God,and love people,which is what is was about all along,and the only thing necessary for spiritual salvation,which is the only thing that matter,and the Gentiles knew by nature what is right and wrong,and creation testifies that there is a God who created all things,and of His attributes,which one of them is love,for He provided food,and the means to make clothing and shelter,so the world is without excuse,for it testifies of the two greatest commandments,love God,and love people.

Jesus made Jews and Gentiles one new man,by abolishing the physical ordinances of Israel,leaving them with only love God,and love people,which love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,and joining them with the Gentiles,who by nature,and creation,have the witness of love God,and love people,who were not going by the physical ordinances,so they were already void in their nation.

It is only love God,and love people,that is the fulfilling of God's law,and you can eat whatever meat you want,for in the Old Testament there was the spiritual law,love God,and love people,but the Spirit was not yet given to cause them to be spiritually right,and they could not perfectly love God,and love people,in the spiritual sense,so God had them do physical ordinances that they did have power to keep to be right with Him until Christ came.

When Christ came and people receive the Spirit,they then can love God,and love people,perfectly,so there is no need for the physical ordinances to keep them right before God,because of a lack of not being able to love God,and love people,perfectly,so the physical ordinances have been abolished,for they have no impact on a person spiritually.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

This is the moral laws of God,the laws of love,love God,and love people,which is spiritual laws,which includes the ten commandments,for they are laws that cover love God,and love people.

We do not go by the physical ordinances in the New Testament,but we go by the 2 greatest commandments,love God,and love people,the spiritual laws.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Led by the Spirit a person can live up to the spiritual law,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and show the characteristics of the Spirit,and not the flesh,where they did not have that power in the Old Testament.

Being spiritual means getting rid of all physical laws,for there is no benefit.Being led of the Spirit the law cannot touch you for prosecution.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

We do not have to keep the physical sabbath in the New Testament,but it is a spiritual sabbath by the Holy Spirit,for that is your rest,and refreshing.

Christianity is set apart from all other religions,for if everybody followed Jesus' teachings,led by the Spirit,there would not be fighting on earth,even in the least sense,and all people would be feed and clothed.

Also there would be no need of money in such a world,for money is only needed in a selfish and arrogant world,for if people truly loved people worldwide,there is no need for money.
 
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If you visit Sarem El Sheikh you should go to Santa Katarina too; its in the base of mount Sini and i'll recommend a two hours hike to the top of the Sini mountain
 
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If you visit Sarem El Sheikh you should go to Santa Katarina too; its in the base of mount Sini and i'll recommend a two hours hike to the top of the Sini mountain
 
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The laws were given by god in order to help people with their relation to god and each other and that does include Physical and Spiritual. Jesus abolishing the law maybe understood as if Jesus claiming to be god; is he a god or the son of god?
 
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I had a visit today, a group calling themselves a Jehovah witnesses come to talk to me. They said that they don't believe in the Trinity.
Any comment?
The topic of the Trinity is a very controversial one. You'll get different opinions regarding this, and you will find some people feel very strongly about their opinion.
 
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The laws were given by god in order to help people with their relation to god and each other and that does include Physical and Spiritual. Jesus abolishing the law maybe understood as if Jesus claiming to be god; is he a god or the son of god?
Jesus did not abolish the law. This is what Jesus said about the law:

Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. Matt 5:17 RSV
 
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The laws were given by god in order to help people with their relation to god and each other and that does include Physical and Spiritual. Jesus abolishing the law maybe understood as if Jesus claiming to be god; is he a god or the son of god?
To answer your question, I think Jesus was God in flesh:

"Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel"
(which means, God with us). Matt 1:23 RSV
 
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I had a visit today, a group calling themselves a Jehovah witnesses come to talk to me. They said that they don't believe in the Trinity.
Any comment?
The topic of the Trinity is a very controversial one. You'll get different opinions regarding this, and you will find some people feel very strongly about their opinion.
Anyhow, I’ll give you my understanding of the Trinity. I think God is simultaneously three beings: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. As Father, he is our God. As Son, he is Jesus Christ. As the Holy Spirit, he talks and listens to our spirits.
 
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According to one of the senior member JesusRuels1 "Jesus abolished the law of commandments contained in the physical ordinances of Israel,that were exclusive to Israel,and given to them,and made of Gentiles and Jews one new man in the New Testament,going by the 2 greatest commandments,love God,and love people,which is what is was about all along,and the only thing necessary for spiritual salvation,which is the only thing that matter,and the Gentiles knew by nature what is right and wrong,and creation testifies that there is a God who created all things,and of His attributes,which one of them is love,for He provided food,and the means to make clothing and shelter,so the world is without excuse,for it testifies of the two greatest commandments,love God,and love people."
 
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According to one of the senior member JesusRuels1 "Jesus abolished the law of commandments contained in the physical ordinances of Israel,that were exclusive to Israel,and given to them,and made of Gentiles and Jews one new man in the New Testament,going by the 2 greatest commandments,love God,and love people,which is what is was about all along,and the only thing necessary for spiritual salvation,which is the only thing that matter,and the Gentiles knew by nature what is right and wrong,and creation testifies that there is a God who created all things,and of His attributes,which one of them is love,for He provided food,and the means to make clothing and shelter,so the world is without excuse,for it testifies of the two greatest commandments,love God,and love people."
Well, Jesus is the Lord and he said this:

Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. Matt 5:17 RSV

All the law and prophets come from the two great commandments you mentioned, but we still can’t murder, commit adultery, bear false witness, and so on.
 
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When you said Lord You mean God right?
 
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When you said Lord You mean God right?
That is my belief. Some refer to Jesus as "Son of God." I think of him like this:

Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and his name shall be called Emmanuel
(which means, God with us). Matt 1:23 RSV

In other words, I think Jesus was God in flesh. Either way, he is our Lord.
 
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I am getting out of this group chat; your people aren’t believers in god. You don’t read the real bible (Old Testament) in order to learn, you use the Old Testament only to prove that Jesus was the son of god.
 

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I am getting out of this group chat; your people aren’t believers in god. You don’t read the real bible (Old Testament) in order to learn, you use the Old Testament only to prove that Jesus was the son of god.
Our real bible is the Old AND the New Testament.

Why did you become a christian?
 

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I am getting out of this group chat; your people aren’t believers in god. You don’t read the real bible (Old Testament) in order to learn, you use the Old Testament only to prove that Jesus was the son of god.
I'm not sure what would lead you to that conclusion. People read, study and quote the old testament all the time here. But you're right that there is more emphasis on the new testament on CC, and in Christianity in general. After all, the new testament informs us of the life of Jesus and his teachings. Best of luck in your Christian endeavors!
 
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I am getting out of this group chat; your people aren’t believers in god. You don’t read the real bible (Old Testament) in order to learn, you use the Old Testament only to prove that Jesus was the son of god.
I answered your questions as best I knew how. Perhaps I answered incorrectly. Either way, it is your responsibility to respond in love.
 
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You use the Old Testament only to prove that Jesus was god in the flash but Jesus was going against the laws given by god.
After Jesus death Christianity was outlawed all over the Roman Empire. Christians were persecuted, killed, and crucified; that’s cause Christianity to become swayed into Roman’s influence.